MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[mattgrubb]

Cazzie used to have such nice expressions when the scots would dominate him in the postseason

[mattgrubb]

you are telling me that the scots go to the second round of the tourney again and don't get any players on the all region team, regardless of conference awards or whatever if you are one of the better teams, don't you have the better players
The answer to that is yes, better players make up better teams, Lambert as good as he is and will take all comers in a one-on-one match up, has not scored a point or gotten a rebound in the last 8 NCAA tourneys, but his players have scored a few

[Ralph Turner]

you are telling me that the scots go to the second round of the tourney again and don't get any players on the all region team, regardless of conference awards or whatever if you are one of the better teams, don't you have the better players
The answer to that is yes, better players make up better teams, Lambert as good as he is and will take all comers in a one-on-one match up, has not scored a point or gotten a rebound in the last 8 NCAA tourneys, but his players have scored a few

Goodness, Matt!  Murvul makes the Tourney every year from Pool B, the Bumblin' B's.  If Murvul were in the ASC-East, there is a pretty good chance you wouldn't even make the NCAA's at all.  You are 1-4 against the ASC in 5 meetings!

I can understand why Wilburt gets so exasperated.  Murvul is 9-8 in post-season play, but Murvul's post-season wins have come against:

-- 2 SLIAC teams (the SLIAC has not won a playoff game since the start of the Pools in 2000),
-- SCAD, a fellow bumblin' B,
-- MissColl in 2003,
-- Methodist (the USAC is only 4-9 in post-season play in the last 8 years),
-- Trinity TX and RHIT (the SCAC is only 6-11 in post-season play in the last 8 years.  Eight of those teams were one-and-done!)
--  and what may be the only quality wins in the last 8 years, 2000 HSC and 2004 over RMC.

You had a good team!  The Team did it!

[scottiedoug]

Matt Ennen was 3rd team D3 Hoops All Region in 2001-02 and Sidney Ellis was 2nd team in 2004-05.  I think Chris Housewright was before that, but there is no easy link to that info on D3Hoops (I suspect Pat or Ralph will remind me that I do not know my way around and that previous years are in plain sight for smarter people....)

The Murvul system makes it hard for anyone to stand out since so many people share the scoring (which I am sure is a real big component).  I think Matt, Sidney, and Chris were deserving but other Scots have had similarly good years and not made All Region.

I don't buy the Grubby One's premise that good teams should have players stand out enough to make honors, though.  A lot of the honored players are from teams that did not do much.

Ralph:  Wouldn't your logic at least credit beating ASC East Mississippi College and really D2 SCAD as quality wins?   

And congrats to Alan White for making All-Region 2nd team.. Seems fair to me.

[mattgrubb]

Ralph,
We have a motto at Maryville, we will play whoever they schedule, sure our record ain't that great against MC and MCM, the only 2 ASC teams we have faced, but we are going to keep playing them

[wilburt]

Ralph,
We have a motto at Maryville, we will play whoever they schedule, sure our record ain't that great against MC and MCM, the only 2 ASC teams we have faced, but we are going to keep playing them

It sure won't be during the regular season schedule that's for certain,  !

Congrats to Mr. White on All-South Region honors.  You certainly have earned them.

[ohyeah]

I think the problem with Maryville is that the SID's have to make the nominations.  If I remember correctly, Housewright did not make it neither did Josh Tummel in 03 or Sidney Ellis in 04.  

[Pat Coleman]

you are telling me that the scots go to the second round of the tourney again and don't get any players on the all region team, regardless of conference awards or whatever if you are one of the better teams, don't you have the better players

No Maryville players were nominated.

As I was perusing the nominations the afternoon of the deadline, I noticed that NO players from the GSAC were on the list. I sent a specific request to all GSAC schools reminding them of the All-Region team's existence. A couple of schools responded in time.

[Pat Coleman]

Matt Ennen was 3rd team D3 Hoops All Region in 2001-02 and Sidney Ellis was 2nd team in 2004-05.  I think Chris Housewright was before that, but there is no easy link to that info on D3Hoops (I suspect Pat or Ralph will remind me that I do not know my way around and that previous years are in plain sight for smarter people....)

If you go to the All-Region team page (link is on the front) there is a list of previous years' teams.

"Previous years: 2004-05 | 2003-04 | 2002-03 | 2001-02"

[mattgrubb]

i think you are right Pat, the SID's in the gsac need to step their game up and realize how good of a website this is, take it for what it is worth

[old_lion]

No Maryville players were nominated.

As I was perusing the nominations the afternoon of the deadline, I noticed that NO players from the GSAC were on the list. I sent a specific request to all GSAC schools reminding them of the All-Region team's existence. A couple of schools responded in time.

Interesting ... which schools didn't bother to respond?

[coachwgh]

I would like to take a break away from the beautiful GA weather and put my couple cents in.  As a coach it is in your best interest to play people you can beat.  Might I remind everyone that no one likes to lose.  Sticking your chest out and trying to be macho with your scheduling usually does you no good unless you are really, really good.  Huntingdon didn't get passed over because they didn't play anybody.  They got passed over because they lost two winable games at two tough locations(Oglethorpe & Rhodes).  In our situation you have to win to get in, no matter who you play, so would you rather play a .500 SCAC team or Hampden-Sydney?  Easy question to me!  Scheduling is tough for everyone in the GSAC.  Everybody else has a conference to worry about and usually we get picked up on people's schedules because people beat us more than we beat them.  (For now!) 

South Region:  The schools that sent in nominations are probably the ones who felt they had someone good enough.  Corie Jackson is one of the 10 best in the GSAC but not one of the 15 best in the south region.  It also comes down to numbers....  Player numbers and voting numbers....If someone didn't see a kid play then all they have are his numbers, and if the whole ASC or SCAC vote for a kid then that is enough to move him up a few spots even from 3rd to 2nd team.  Allen White was our player of the year and he deserves to be on the South region 2nd team and I am happy for him, but I don't think we had anybody else good enough.  Before you start screaming out names backed by school bias look not at averages but at individual games and find consistency that leads to good averages.  Some guys lit us up but couldn't score a bucket on Huntingdon or Fisk and we eliminated some players while they blew up against others.  I like a kid who comes by his average with not too many statistical outliers.

If anyone knows a 6'6" or better young man looking for a place to call home for a while please feel free to contact me.  Required talents include, but are not limited to being able to leave the ground and return to it without injuring himself or someone else in the process, breathe without help of a machine and smile.

[old_lion]

South Region: 
Allen White was our player of the year and he deserves to be on the South region 2nd team and I am happy for him, but I don't think we had anybody else good enough.  Before you start screaming out names backed by school bias ...

Coach, I appreciate your perspective and your sense of humor.

But here is a comment w/o school bias. Why is everyone forgetting about Monte Calloway? With all due respect to White, IMHO, Callaway was the best the GSAC had to offer.  Does anyone think Murval was nearly the team after Callaway's injury, that they were before it?

Is it written somewhere that just because someone is injured and misses the last few games, he is ineligible for consideration for post season honors?

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph:  Wouldn't your logic at least credit beating ASC East Mississippi College and really D2 SCAD as quality wins?   

And congrats to Alan White for making All-Region 2nd team.. Seems fair to me.  Ditto

Scottie, I think that the ASC may have 3 Quality wins in the last 9 years.

2000--McMurry over Murvul.  That South/Great Lakes bracket was brutal and Murvul knocked out a highly ranked (#2) Hampden-Sydney.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/00/week13.htm

McMurry was to play Trinity, but Pomona-Pitzer knocked them out, on the road.

2004--Sul Ross State over #12 Trinity.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/04/week14.htm

Sul Ross State lost to Lawrence in OT at Puget Sound in the Sweet 16.

One other win that I may have overlooked.

I am reluctant to declare any win over the ASC as a quality win, because the ASC doesn't have a winning record in the 7 years in the Pools (9 wins, 10 losses and 4 byes in 7 years, 11-12 and 5 byes in 9 years).  The best record in the South Region is the ODAC and the ODAC's Va Wesleyan is back in the Final Four.  (The ODAC is 21-17 in the last 9 years going into the Final Four.)

As I look at the last 9 seasons, I would call these six teams to be the Top 6 in no particular order.

VWC 2006, Trinity 2005, HSC 2003, CNU 2001, McM 2000, HSC 1999.

Second 4--

Miss Coll 2006, Sul Ross 2004, DePauw 2002 and Murvul 2000.



The ODAC has had 3 teams make the Final Four.

The 1999 HSC team beat Wooster (NCAC) and John Carroll (OAC) in the Sectionals.

The 2003 HSC team beat IWU (CCIW) and UW-Oshkosh (WIAC) in the Sectionals.

The 2006 VWC team beat Lincoln and Wm Paterson (NJAC) in the Sectionals.

IMHO, those are quality wins.

[Ralph Turner]

One other quality win in the South Region...

Trinity over Hanover in 2005 Sweet 16!

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/05/pairings.htm