MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

Spencer Beaty · April 28, 2006, 09:02:47 PM

Escpecially there power forwards who arent very powerful

wilburt · April 30, 2006, 02:15:44 PM

Fisk will be playing @ Webster Univ. next season in November. Wasn't Webster's Coach at Murvul for hot minute? I hope we have a successful trip to St. Louis next season.

BTW, Old Lion is the Big Man you were talking about attending Piedmont - Wes Miller the 6' 6" Forward North Springs H.S. in Fulton County (GA)?

old_lion · April 30, 2006, 04:17:41 PM

Quote from: wilburt on April 30, 2006, 02:15:44 PM

BTW, Old Lion is the Big Man you were talking about attending Piedmont - Wes Miller the 6' 6" Forward North Springs H.S. in Fulton County (GA)?

He is one of them. Supposedly, he is a done deal ... as much as anyone can be a "done deal" in D3.

The word is, we have a pretty good shot at a couple of other big guys. I'd say it's better than a 50/50 chance we'll get at least one of them. If that happens, we should have all the pieces we need to put together a good run.

wilburt · May 01, 2006, 08:22:45 AM

Is it me or does Piedmont PG Jake Green resemble Phoenix Sun PG Steve Nash?

old_lion · May 01, 2006, 08:44:52 AM

Quote from: wilburt on May 01, 2006, 08:22:45 AM
Is it me or does Piedmont PG Jake Green resemble Phoenix Sun PG Steve Nash?

There are some similarities in appearance and game ...

Fortunately, Jake has a better hair cut.

Unfortunately, Steve's shot is better. $:-\$

mattgrubb · May 01, 2006, 09:51:35 AM

Coach Bunch at Webster U was at Maryville for the 00-01 and 01-02 seasons, he was okay other than being big and bald, his gorlock team finished strong this year winning about 12 of their last 15 games, saw them play this year, well coached, lacking in talent but play hard

GSAC Killer · May 01, 2006, 02:59:32 PM

Jake Green hands down best PG in the conference.. In my opinion Coaching staff at Piedmont does not use him in the right way.. He could be the difference if used correctly for Piedmont to win the Conference..
Just my opinion on the matter..

mattgrubb · May 01, 2006, 03:26:36 PM

The difference in the conference next year is going to be some 6'7" kid lambert has coming in next year, at this rate everyone on the team will be 6'7" in 5 years, the day of the short fat guy are numbered in college ball, but they were good days, more dunks out of the short guys

wilburt · May 01, 2006, 03:46:51 PM

Since I'm on a role Old Lion, how about Chuck McCoy 6' 3" Combo Guard from Etowah H.S. (GA). Is he headed to Piedmont also?

old_lion · May 01, 2006, 04:53:25 PM

Quote from: wilburt on May 01, 2006, 03:46:51 PM
Since I'm on a role Old Lion, how about Chuck McCoy 6' 3" Combo Guard from Etowah H.S. (GA). Is he headed to Piedmont also?

Not sure ... I have heard the name mentioned.

You guys lost a lot of Seniors. How's the rebuilding (Oops, I mean reloading) effort coming along. Tell Patton if he's afraid he'll get lonely up there with all his boys gone, that we'll be happy to take him at Piedmont. It's closer to home for him anyway.

Do you think he'd be a good fit in our get out and push the ball style? That, I'd like to see. Hey, a man can dream, can't he?

old_lion · May 02, 2006, 12:53:47 AM

Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 01, 2006, 02:59:32 PM
Jake Green hands down best PG in the conference.. In my opinion Coaching staff at Piedmont does not use him in the right way.. He could be the difference if used correctly for Piedmont to win the Conference..
Just my opinion on the matter..

Killer,

I happen to agree that he is the top PG in the league ... he has led the league in assists his first two years, playing on under classmen dominated teams. I'm not sure, but I think he's been 2nd or 3rd in the GSAC in steals over those two years, as well. IMHO, the true measure of any PG is ... Does his team function better when he is on the floor? I think he passes that test.

That is why I was disappointed in how the All-GSAC teams were selected last year ... as opposed to when you were a senior. (You "only" averaged 9.7 ppg and 4.9 apg that year ... but you were all-GSAC, as you s/h/b.) It appeared to me that last year, the people making the selections didn't place much value on "pure PG skills". But instead, they seemed to focus just on the guys scoring the points. Obviously, this statement is an exaggeration to make a point, but that's somewhat akin to picking an all star football team with just QBs and RBs. Yeah, those are the guys getting the headlines, but they aren't doing it by themselves. Football and baseball all-star teams are always picked by position ... seems to me basketball teams s/b too.

But that's "water under the bridge" ... on to next year. We have the majority of our core guys returning. And supposedly we are making good progress on bringing in at least 2 or 3 "difference makers". I don't want to jump the gun here and start making any predictions ... but I am optimistic that next season could be a good one.

Re your comments that our PG was used incorrectly ... interesting. We finished 14th in the nation in scoring and 9th in the nation in assists, so it seems we must have been doing something right? But obviously, you know a great deal about PG play ... So I have to ask... What do you think we s/h done differently?

GSAC Killer · May 02, 2006, 09:03:48 AM

I totally understand your claim for his position on the ALL GSAC teams but here is my opinion on stats.. Although I did only average 10ppg and 5apg I only played 24 minutes a game.. I for one thought that was ridiculous.. If I would have been given the time Bo did this year or any of the guys for Fisk I probably would have been the Player of the Year in conference my senior year (which not to be an idiot about awards or anything but I truly believed I deserved it my Senior Year) but i rather take the 20- 0 conference record!!hahaha... I would have possibly averaged a double double with Mason or Sidney Ellis minutes.. But enough about me... I am over and done with at the college level... Stats sometimes are not indicative of how valuable a players is.. How many guys had better numbers than me in the Conference my senior year but were they BETTER or meant more to their team than me: HECK NO!!!!!! So.......
If I were in charge of making the ALL GSAC teams I would base it on performance within the conference.. That is what ALL CONFERENCE means in my book... I played my best against those teams in the conference because that is what mattered the most..
I think Jake without a doubt is the best "pure" PG in the conference. Reminds me a lot of myself ( without the Swagger) I just wished I could have played in a free system like he has at Piedmont..
MORE BALL SCREENS for him and let him create.. Less of that 5 in 5 out stuff... LET PLAYERS BE PLAYERS!!! That goes for any coach who is in the business..
By the way what makes a player a PLAYER in my book is not just winning but making those around him better with not just his play but with leadership...
2 WEEKS TILL GRADUATION!!

wilburt · May 02, 2006, 09:58:27 AM

Mr. Patton is just fine in Nashville - Old Lion

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Next year's seniors CG Marquis Patton (Georgia), F Aaron Hinton (Alabama), F Cedric Carr (Texas) came in 2003-04 and they have observed a lot and played in some big games during their 3 years at Fisk.

I just wonder what big men Dr. Glover will bring in from the high school or juco ranks. The backcourt should be fine next season with Marquis Patton (All-GSAC), Brandon Johnson (who I believe returns to the team next season) and James Shivers (a 5th year Senior I think). Shivers IMHO is probably the best 3 pt shooter in the GSAC after Maryville's Mason!

Aaron Hinton, Cedric Carr, Goldie Hall (All-GSAC Freshman team), and Jeremy Rawls will likely be on the wing/small forward positions. The key will be who will fill the 4 and 5 positions next season.

So we will see what happens in the reloading process...

There's a lot of talent on that 2006 State Champion Memphis Hamilton H.S. team

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old_lion · May 02, 2006, 10:47:06 AM

Quote from: GSAC Killer on May 02, 2006, 09:03:48 AM
1) I only played 24 minutes a game.. I for one thought that was ridiculous..

2) Stats sometimes are not indicative of how valuable a players is.. How many guys had better numbers than me in the Conference my senior year but were they BETTER or meant more to their team than me: HECK NO!!!!!!

3) Jake reminds me a lot of myself ( without the Swagger) I just wished I could have played in a free system like he has at Piedmont..

4) MORE BALL SCREENS for him and let him create..

5) Less of that 5 in, 5 out stuff...

6) By the way what makes a player a PLAYER in my book is not just winning but making those around him better with not just his play but with leadership...

7) 2 WEEKS TILL GRADUATION!!

1) I agree, I've noticed that most good teams who are fortunate enough to have a "make everyone else better" type of PG tend to want them on the floor as much as possible.

2) Agreed. Seems obvious ... s/b reflected in all conference teams ...

3) You guys are similar in a lot of ways. Piedmont's wide open, push the ball style is a good fit for Jake. But there are usually two sides to any issue. I'm sure you benefited from playing in an established, winning program with experienced teammates. For example, less turnovers ...

4) Interesting ... My philosophy is, if you have a gifted PG, push the ball on every possession, look for opportunities to create in transition. But, the transition opportunities aren't always there. You have to have the ability to back the ball out and run an offense, get everyone involved. I think we usually did that pretty well. Maybe we could leave more room for our PG to create in our half court offense ...

5) Amen. That s/b used sparingly ... to rest your starters or shake things up, occasionally. If you're not careful, that two unit stuff can become a real flow killer. I think we figured that out by the end of the season.

6) Amen.

7) Good luck in the "real world", Killer. If you can just shake that appalling lack of self confidence, I think you'll be just fine.

Seriously, I wish you the best.

ohyeah · May 02, 2006, 12:05:32 PM

I actually thought that Raul deserved the POY award his senior year. Take him away from that team adn you would have had the first regular season loss in the conference.

I have seen Jake play on several occassions, granted against Maryville College, but he seemed to lack some focus at times (the scoreboard probably helped that).

Kinda of contradictory to my previous statement though, it seemed his "stats" would come late in the game when they were behind by 20 points as well against Maryville's 3rd string. I dont know what it is, but there is just something missing. Maybe the shot, I dont know, havent seen him enough, however I respect his game a lot.