MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[mattgrubb]

Killer your game looked sick last night don't listen to that, good luck in KY and watch out for the Windmill in the future

[GSAC Killer]

I appreciate the love... We would have been a kilelr tandem if we would ahve played together.. The windmill was SICK!!! All caps on sick bc it was tooooooooo nice...
   Your most definitely right on the Bo and teammate situation.. I know you would have not allowed it just like me and Sid didn't...  I hope he get to that level where the guys respect him enough they will come around

[Lil Rb]

Thanks Killer.  The problem is that Bo has no clout, or since I can't spell he gets no respect from his teammates because of the last two years.  Yes, great Bo is working harder than ever and yes he is doing it this summer, because he is having to be there because he is in summer school.  That is so typical of you grubb to jump on the bandwagon as soon as someone starts doing what they are EXPECTED to do in the program.  It is easier to stay focused when there is no one on campus to screw with your direction.  Grubb, as far as the comment abouth Bo, hardwork, and 16-9 predicitions, he is the leader and they have been following his leadership, that is where YOUR 16-9 prediction comes from.

Killer I was going to say earlier that it is not good when someone is talking about your game in the summer that must mean that there is not enough to play, if the old man is having to come out and teach the game to some young guns.  ANYONE (Grubb) that has seen you play knows that you are not known for your defense or your shooting, just the ability to will your teams to a win like great point guards do, and also capable of making big shots, not because you are a great shooter, but because you are not afraid to shoot the big shot.

Like Killer said, hopefully he has seen the light, and is on the right path.

[mcplya02]

Look I do not mean to step on any toes but I go to school at that other mc (Mississippi College) and since you guys are talking about point guards i figured i would talk about our point guard. I went to the second round game and watched that Bo kid get out played the entire night by both of our point guards. Especially Collins. I have had the opportunity to see Jonathan Collins this summer, (he too is attending summer school). He looks great. He averaged 11.2 points as a freshman and he led our confrence in a/to ratio last year. I'm sure that this Bo kid is a great player, but I am positive that should we meet in the tounament again we will have the better team and the superior point guard.

[Lil Rb]

Not at all mcplya02, I am sure that your point guard would out play our point guards as well, both of them for that matter.  However, even though Bo is not what i would consider an academic stand out, we are not a division III school that might as well be a junior college.  my goodness, look at your roster from year to year and how many stay for more than, at best, two years.  The coach at Mississippi College is trying to win a national championship the wrong way, not the D-III way.  Try and keep some guys and maybe even graduate 12-15 kids over a period of 4 years and see what it is like.  Mississippi is not worried about retention, they are worried about winning a national championship, and they are not doing that either.

By the way, you are not stepping on my toes and I hope that I have not stepped on your toes, that is just the way it is.  Plus neither of your point guards could have probably gotten into school at Maryville.

[mattgrubb]

Lil Rb you are bitter, pretty much correct about the pg comparison, guys that can defend usually win, not always, but usually, when was the last time Miss. Coll. had a player that was tough to defend for four years, i can't remember

Well unfortunately Bo is the only one that is doing what he is supposed to, they are not as talented as they think they are, Here is their response to the 16-9 predictions, "We will be fine" 
Lil Rb jump all over that statement pleeeaaaseee, could last i checked MC bball was not about being fine, it was about trying to win a conference and then a national championship, am i right Killer?
I want to see what you all think about that

Killer had two points last night in their victory in KY, pts are all they publish

[Ralph Turner]

mcplyao2, welcome to the D3hoops boards.  When the season starts, I look forward to your comments on the ASC board.

I have a little different take on the Choctaws.  I don't think that they will win the national championship because they try to play Great Lakes style basketball with talent that does not match well with the John Carroll's or Transy's or Calvin's. IMHO, they needed to play Tyler Winford more in the Transy game.  I saw the video feed of the MC-Transy game and the more physically talented and gifted MC played into Transy's style.  Had Miss Coll tried to run and played a 90-point game, I think that they would have won.  Transy only played 6 players.  I felt that Miss College was about 10-12 deep.  Miss Coll needed to get into the Transy bench!

IMHO, the best luck we (the ASC) have had in the tourney is the 2000 McMurry and the 2004 SRSU teams!  Those teams gave their opponents trouble!

I will defend Miss College's recruiting of the JuCo's.  The state of Mississippi has a different situation.  Mississippi has only 17 four-year schools in the entire state.  Tennessee has more than 40!  It is quite common for students to attend one of the local jucos prior to attending a 4-yr instution.

[Pat Coleman]

Makes sense. Tennessee has almost exactly twice the population of Mississippi.

[mcplya02]

Lil RB,
You ar eright we do recruit a lot of juco guys. However think about all the teams that recruit freshman. I think that recruiting juco players is smart because they come to the program ready to contribute immediately. Freshman are usually weaker and are not used to the college game. So if a school (i.e. Mississippi College) is able to consistanly recruit juco players i beleive that it is a smart move. And I would also like to point out that neither Jonathan Collins nor Tyler Winford went to juco. Winford led our team in scoring the past two years. And Collins averaged double digits scoring as a fresman and led the entire league in a/to ratio as a sophmore. There is nothing wrong with matching young talent with juco players. You guys should try it, you might make it past the second round.

[mcplya02]

 Thanx for the welcome Ralph. You are correct we fell into playing transy's game. Not only offensively by playing slow but defensively. I would like to have seen MC press more. Transy's guards were allowed to bring the ball up with no pressure. We did not start defending until they were one step outside the three point line. Righ now I still do not understand it. I believe that we lost that game because of coaching. Our guys were not put in a position to succeed and it cost them the game and their season. Hopefully since Coach Jones has watched for four years he will understand that all MC has to do is press some. This will make our team a lot more dangerous come tournament time. And by the way I also look forward to seeing your comments in the upcoming year.

[mcplya02]

 Lil RB,
You are right Jonathan Collins probably cant get into Maryville. But if Bo came to MC he would have to do one of two things.
1.) Be a good student and graduate
2.) Be satisfied with being third on the depth chart for the rest of his career. Just like you think Collins cant get into Maryville, I know that Bo cant play at MC.

[colincondi]

Mississippi College went 29-2 and 25-1 in the south region, and mcplya02 is bashing the coach?  He sees Bo play one game and thinks he can make solid judgements about him?  Did he miss the first round game when Bo hit NINE 3's?  He also seems to be a huge fan of Jonathan Collins... anyone notice mcplya02's initials in his e-mail address?

[Ralph Turner]

colincondi, mcplya02 is right about the alternative assessment as to what it takes the ASC to win deep in the playoffs.

The ASC has 2 tracks in the playoffs.  We can be sent west to play Texas, California and other western schools as McMurry in 2000, Miss College in 2002,  Sul Ross in 2004, and UT-Dallas in 2005 have done.  Or, we can be sent East as McMurry in 2001, Miss College in 2003, the only year that Maryville has beaten an ASC team, or Miss College in 2005 and 2006.

I think that the ASC has done best when we play the aggressive up-tempo style that utilizes 11-12 players against the set style offenses.  McMurry lost to the National Champion Calvin in 2000, to National Finalist William Paterson in 2001, and Sul Ross lost in 2004 in OT to Lawrence which took National Champion UWSP to OT, all on a neutral floor.  Other than that we just don't have the success that I would like.

[Lil Rb]

First of all who said anything about "juco players" I believe i said that Mississippi College is like a juco with their turnover in players in there program (in not so many words).  Juco players are great, but how do you continue to get so many players and be able to go 10-12 deep and keep them all happy?  Yes Tyler Winford is the best player, but because you have to keep so many people happy, he leads the team in a lot of stats, but would not lead other teams with the minutes that he plays for his own team.  Maybe if you could get some guys there for more than two years, you could build a tradition like making it to the tournament 9 straight years in a row and get your graduation rate up like the coaches and administration are suppose to be doing from the start.

No one has argued your comment about your point guards being better than bo, so quit beating a dead horse.  Please try and read the words that I type not the words that you think you are reading.

[mattgrubb]

Miss. Coll. has a pretty good tradition over the past couple of years, i will not argue that point, but i will argue the true spirit of D3 is celebrating the STUDENT Athlete, and yes it appears that could be in question in Clinton, MS.  maybe their perennial tradition has to do with their D2 football championship in the 80s, ring a bell anybody.  I just want to know where they keep getting so much talent?