MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[d3ball]

thats a bold statement to say that u had a better year or u were a better player than sid    killer

[old_lion]

but sometimes numbers don't tell the whole story

No question about that! I think I am "on record" 2 or 3 times in the last couple of days alone, in agreeing strongly with that statement.

But, you can draw a lot of reasonable conclusions from the #s ...

For instance, if your FG% is pretty low ... and yet, you are scoring more ppg than "the next guy" ... it seems to me it's pretty obvious that it's largely, simply because you are shooting more.

IMHO, in that situation, clearly, the higher ppg avg is not indicative of the better player. Seems to me, people that pick all-whatever teams frequently behave as if they don't understand that.

So, "the #s" can be both misleading and enlightening ... you just have to give a little thoughtful consideration to how you interpret them.

Even after you thoughtfully interpret the #s, intangibles s/b a significant consideration.

In my book, the biggest "intangible" of them all is what I call the "Bird Vs. Dominique factor" ... Do you make your teammates better? Bird did, Dominique didn't. Bird made the NBA's "50 Greatest Players List", Dominique didn't.

To paraphrase the late, great Richard Pryor (as the Preacher delivering the eulogy), "Now that's da ultimite test for yo a$$." 

[Spencer Beaty]

Big game tonight against the Fisk Bulldogs.  I hope they decide to show up.  I also hope MURVUL decides to "show up"

[mattgrubb]

The Bird factor, the killer made Sid, stop lying to yourself

I saw Walden Buttram the other day and you have to remember that he made the killer and they are all disciples of Paul Reed, remember IT and not even the killer or sid were anything without Jason Doan, its a team thing
Where is Aaron Hatfield?

Back to the topic at hand, the ultimate intangible is the W

Good to see a former, or the reigning POY Allen White is stepping up to the board, i wonder if he stands behind any of his preseason predictions

[MCScotsFan]

Close game with Fisk tonight. Only in the last few minutes did we pull it off. If it had not been for Alex Bowers, Brady Neal, and the Q, I don't think we would have won. Bo secured the win with his free throws. We needed every free throw we could get tonight and I think they hit a good percentage of them. Fisk hit almost everything they threw up until the end. I would like to know the numbers of turnovers MC had. They just kept stripping it from us! Glad the new names are stepping up. Maybe there is so much pressure to "be all that" or something but honestly, Bobby didn't show much and neither did several others. Bradley had a few moments. Jeremy's game and confidence is going down the tubes. I believe it is the hair. Leave it alone, Jerms. 

[ohyeah]

All this all conference stuff has me bewildered. 

All that really matters is that Jake Baldwin and Jake Green are in my top 8 on MySpace. 

Allen White...will you be my friend?

[mattgrubb]

rumor has it Bradley had a dunk last night, this is not applause, at 6'7" he should at least have the descency to dunk it when i am there

and rumor has it Bobby was 2 and a half feet from a solid dunk

[MCScotsFan]

  That was one of Bradley's moments!

About the Bobby rumor. I think he just had a bad night. Or he just didn't look too good out there to me.

[scottiedoug]

I thought the Scots defensive effort and execution was spotty at best.  Randy went to a ZONE! and it helped mess up the passing and cutting lanes but Fisk can shoot the ball.  They did not have the big guys inside that we are all used to from them but seemed way better than their record indicates.  Bobby started out scoring at will and I thought they went away from him too quickly.  Winning from outside is ok but when it seems like you can score inside, it seems risky to count on a streaky shooter like Bo (4 for 13, I think).  He did have 13 assists and not many to's.  Frosh guards got pilfered several times.  Bowers and Neal are really stepping up.  Good thing, since the string of road games coming up ifor the Scots is scary.

Coach Haynes!  Congrats!  Your guys will be a real challenge I bet!  Were any of the injuries referred to in the release serious?

[Spencer Beaty]

Big win last night for the Scots.  MC was extremely balanced last night with 5 players scoring in double digits, and none of the had the last name golden.  Brady Neal with 20 points really stepped it up as well as Q who made several treys.  Scottiedoug is right.  The zone really hurt the Bulldogs.  I thought the coach getting thrown out was hilarious!  After his first T he was on them again and he stepped on the coaches box line and asked him if was going to get a T for that.  He was outta their.

[coachwgh]

We had a well fought game at Mariotti last night.  We finally broke a five game losing streak to the petrels.  Landon Baize broke his collar bone in the first half and Robby Lawrence has a severe sprain in one of his ankles.  He is in a cast for 7 days and then should be back in 3-4 days after that.  Render played his second game with the flu but had less than a Jordan performance but was picked up by big play off the bench.  We just found a way to win and got a couple lucky bounces or more like unlucky bounces for Oglethorpe.  It was a great game if you were a fan.  Piedmont on Saturday will be an absolute knock down drag out or a real slobber-knocker as they say in Jasper, TN. 

[Spencer Beaty]

You know what my mom came up with this saying i bet none of you have ever heard.  "Hindsight is 20/20."  Just thinking about how good the scots would have been with JJ and Trey Brewer and Big Sam Coppage just makes me feel like they cannot live up to the preseason hype cause they dont have the preseason players.

[old_lion]

We had a well fought game at Mariotti last night.  We finally broke a five game losing streak to the petrels.  Landon Baize broke his collar bone in the first half and Robby Lawrence has a severe sprain in one of his ankles.  He is in a cast for 7 days and then should be back in 3-4 days after that.  Render played his second game with the flu but had less than a Jordan performance but was picked up by big play off the bench.  We just found a way to win and got a couple lucky bounces or more like unlucky bounces for Oglethorpe.  It was a great game if you were a fan.  Piedmont on Saturday will be an absolute knock down drag out or a real slobber-knocker as they say in Jasper, TN. 

That's terrible ... I assume he's gone for the year?

I'm a big fan of Baize's ... I think he is a very underrated PG who doesn't get nearly the credit he deserves ... please give him my best wishes for a speedy recovery.

[GSAC Killer]

Well have been away for two days and have received two jabs from Watts and Mr.White...

To answer Mr.White first: Was I a better player than Sidney Ellis, YES! Was I a better player than Sidney under Coach Lambert´s system absolutely not! Our system was a perfect fit for Sidney.. Mr.White remember this my numbers were not better than Sid´s for the simple fact I didn´t shoot more 6 shots a game.. I didn´t have to.. All I was about was the "W".. And lastly Mr.White everytime we had a big game you ask anyone who stepped up? Fisk? Your teams? NCAA Tournament time?
Sidney is my boy and will always be but when he plays in a game where you need to be an individual ball player he is not as productive. He is a SYSTEM PLAYER!! Mr. White by the way you were 0-5 against my teams in your career!!

Next to my friend amd #1 hater Matt Grubb.. You can say what you want brother but Sidney Ellis did not become an ALL American to I step foot on campus.. FIRST EVER ALL AMERICAN at our school... Second no team in the history of Scots basketball ever finished with an undefeated South Region record like my 2004 Team did.. Not any team of you, Housewright( who probably is the best player ever at MC), and Mr.Teaun...
  Watts you know I love you but you and I have had many conversations on Sid and his accolades.. Mr.Tummel would agree that at times Sid was a no show in big games... Facts are facts!! Some of you just choose to sugarcoat things.... I for one have no problems saying it how it is...
  By the way if it continues this in my opinion is the Best job Coach Lambert has done with any of his teams in the last 10 years..

   By the way Mr.White if Monte Calloway does not get hurt you guys don´t win the Conference and you don´t win the Player of the Year in the Conference.. Mr.Calloway does!!!!!

Old Lion I have a question for you. Can you find me a statistic on why if you truly do have the Player of the Year in the conference and have all these guys fighting for All Conference, you guys still have not beat the Scots and struggle to have  winning seasons!!

By the way my 2004 team in my opinion one of the best ever: Name me a better Top 9 than that: Placeres, Ellis, Calloway,J.Doan, Walden Buttram, Paul Reed with Jeff McCord,Bobby Golden, and Ruben Gonzalez... By the way if Josh Tummel would have red-shirted his Freshman Year we would have played together my junior year!! Wow!!! By the way Josh Tummel only player probably in school history to ever average a Double  DOUBLe!!
Go Scots!!

[old_lion]

Old Lion I have a question for you. Can you find me a statistic on why if you truly do have the Player of the Year in the conference and have all these guys fighting for All Conference, you guys still have not beat the Scots and struggle to have  winning seasons!!

Easy, Killer ... sounds like you've had too much coffee this morning. Don't they have any decaf there? 

No stats required to answer that question, Killer ... just a little common sense. In fact, you were "dancing all around the answer" yourself when you were ranting about how the SYSTEM made Ellis the player he was.

Now that I've pointed you in the right direction, I probably don't need to elaborate any further ... but I will.

Obviously, Murvul has the most successful and established program/system in the GSAC. Obviously, if you took two good players of equal abilities and put one in a successful, established program, and the other in a rebuilding program ... it is, obviously, going to be easier for the first player (and his team) to be more successful.

Now anyone that would conclude from that hypothetical set of facts, that the second player is automatically inferior to the first, simply because his team has not yet beaten the established team ... well, I don't know what else I could say to such a person. I strive, whenever possible, to remove myself from discussions with illogical people. 

My only question for you is, "What's up with you?" You seem to have changed your tune fairly dramatically in a couple of days ... everything OK?

I apologize for the mix up.. I think you understand what I am trying to say..
I don't think Bo is the Best PG in the Conference.. He is more of a combo guard...

If done by position this is how I would pick them:
PG- Jake Green
SG- Bo Mason
SF- Cole Hairston
PF- Jake Baldwin
C- Bobby Golden..

With all the respect I have for Coach Haynes I don't think Render nor Lawrence are better than the 5 I have put down...
Old Lion as you know most of the time they pick one from each team and two from the Regular Season Champs...

Note: The "changing colors" are in remembrance of our old friend, Wilburt.