MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[old_lion]

I read this board much more than I post.  I usually quietly disagree with Old Lion but I agree 100% with him and Grubb.  OL has made his point quite well. 

Also, naming 2 POY and COY flies in the face of only naming 8 all-conference players. 

Scotswin,

I am somewhat dismayed to learn that you usually quietly disagree with me ... 

But, I do appreciate your support on this issue.

[mattgrubb]

Again the Grubby One must step up with his infinite wisdom,

Who cares, i have won the POY award personally and here is the bottomline.  Really the only one that counts is the All-Academic b/c that is one that translates to success for the next 40 years.  Winning seems to be a habit.

Baldwin and Bobby both had great seasons
so did Haynes and Lambert


Remember these are student athletes and awards don't mean much, my award is in a box in my garage, i never unpacked it when i moved into my new house

I did unpack the NCAA sticker that was on the floor at Hampden Sydney when we beat them in the tourney, it hangs on the wall in my garage and i will sell it to any maryville fan that may want it, for the right price,but here is the deal, i have a job and i get to talk with several former teammates and Fighting scots alumni on a daily basis and we are still winning.

maybe if the other schools and fans in the GSAC would focus on the W and not all of the sidenotes they would have a chance at beating Lambert and the Scots, b/c these awards are just sidenotes.

Keep it up Lambert, i should be in Lagrange to see number 500

[njlincolnlion]

scottiedoug:

I see Lincoln has moved ahead of Maryville for the second spot (Pool B) behind Aurora in Pat Coleman's latest ranking listed on the Bumblin B's.

#22   Aurora           10.304
#28   Lincoln           10.143
#45   Maryville TN     9.864

[Spencer Beaty]

I would love to be in Lagrange for 500.  Unforunately I cannot because I have school and it consumes my life.  Amen?

[mattgrubb]

good chance the grubby one will be there

[scottiedoug]

I agree w/ The Grubby One that Jake Baldwin's being all academic and co-poy really is worthy of our respect.

I agree otherwise with OldLion that the honors business seems pretty screwed up and mostly in the ways he outlines.  If it is a big deal, then it should be done differently so that entirely obvious mistakes (Render) do not happen.  If it is not a big deal, maybe it should not happen at all.

njlincoln:  Welcome to the GSAC board.  Your observation about the B's is all the more reason why the Scots need to take care of winning two games this weekend!

[Pat Coleman]

Lion, you gotta be kidding me wanting TEN first-team all-conference players in a league where only TWENTY start!

[mattgrubb]

word, Pat, the Grubby One agrees with you

Is this Upward or College basketball?

[old_lion]

Lion, you gotta be kidding me wanting TEN first-team all-conference players in a league where only TWENTY start!

No, that would be sort of silly ...

Every selection of all-conference teams I've ever seen usually has ...

FIVE FIRST-team all-conference players

and

FIVE SECOND-team all-conference players

And I have seen in some instances, third teams and/or honorable mentions selected.

And I have NEVER seen any conference vary their number of selections based on the number of teams ... ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, etc. ... they all have a total of 10 people on their first and second teams combined. (I don't believe I've ever seen anyone put ten on the first team, either.)  I certainly wouldn't want that. 

Did you notice, they put four on our all - freshmen team? Unique GSAC "logic", I guess ... Maybe you see some sort of "logic" there that appeals to you ... Personally, I thought it just seemed stupid. Seriously, if they can't muster up enough will to select teams of 5 people, maybe they should just not even bother.


BTW, why do you care?


And since you gettin all up in GSAC business, you might find these two little fun facts interesting ...

(1) you appear to think TWENTY starters is particularly relevant ... well, one of our all-GSAC guys didn't start a game all season. In this bastardized logic they are using here, does that mean they s/h selected 9 guys? 
(2) last year, the GSAC selected 6 first teamers and 5 second teamers ... I dunnu 
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/2_24_06_MBB__Conf.htm
still not the 10 first teamers you're talking about ... but closer.

[batteredbard]

Does making the all-conference list, whatever the style, give the player the bonus ability to make one more point, rebound, or assist in the postseason than they would have otherwise?

Then it doesn't really matter does it?

Remember also that there are several lists in most the DI conferences that have been referenced, generally a coaches list, an AP list and possibly a list generated by the sportswriters  association. So perhaps the regular posters (and I dont count myself as one) can come up with a ballot and make a D-# hoops posting up all GSAC team and send out certificates.

But since the board always needs something to chew on, I understand that one of the women's schools is pushing for hosting right to the 09 mens and womens conference basketball tourney assuming the GSAC is still around. It was one thing to do it in soccer a few seasons ago, but does it work for basketball?

[Pat Coleman]

Lion, you gotta be kidding me wanting TEN first-team all-conference players in a league where only TWENTY start!

No, that would be sort of silly ...

Every selection of all-conference teams I've ever seen usually has ...

FIVE FIRST-team all-conference players

and

FIVE SECOND-team all-conference players

And I have seen in some instances, third teams and/or honorable mentions selected.

And I have NEVER seen any conference vary their number of selections based on the number of teams ... ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, etc. ... they all have a total of 10 people on their first and second teams combined. (I don't believe I've ever seen anyone put ten on the first team, either.)  I certainly wouldn't want that. 

Did you notice, they put four on our all - freshmen team? Unique GSAC "logic", I guess ... Maybe you see some sort of "logic" there that appeals to you ... Personally, I thought it just seemed stupid. Seriously, if they can't muster up enough will to select teams of 5 people, maybe they should just not even bother.


BTW, why do you care?


And since you gettin all up in GSAC business, you might find these two little fun facts interesting ...

(1) you appear to think TWENTY starters is particularly relevant ... well, one of our all-GSAC guys didn't start a game all season. In this bastardized logic they are using here, does that mean they s/h selected 9 guys? 
(2) last year, the GSAC selected 6 first teamers and 5 second teamers ... I dunnu 
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/2_24_06_MBB__Conf.htm
still not the 10 first teamers you're talking about ... but closer.

Actually, you know what, I care because all-conference teams determine eligibility for all-region, and I think diluting All-Conference dilutes our awards. So I have a vested interest.

Smart ass.

[old_lion]

Lion, you gotta be kidding me wanting TEN first-team all-conference players in a league where only TWENTY start!

No, that would be sort of silly ...

Every selection of all-conference teams I've ever seen usually has ...

FIVE FIRST-team all-conference players

and

FIVE SECOND-team all-conference players

And I have seen in some instances, third teams and/or honorable mentions selected.

And I have NEVER seen any conference vary their number of selections based on the number of teams ... ACC, SEC, Big 10, Big 12, etc. ... they all have a total of 10 people on their first and second teams combined. (I don't believe I've ever seen anyone put ten on the first team, either.)  I certainly wouldn't want that. 

Did you notice, they put four on our all - freshmen team? Unique GSAC "logic", I guess ... Maybe you see some sort of "logic" there that appeals to you ... Personally, I thought it just seemed stupid. Seriously, if they can't muster up enough will to select teams of 5 people, maybe they should just not even bother.


BTW, why do you care?


And since you gettin all up in GSAC business, you might find these two little fun facts interesting ...

(1) you appear to think TWENTY starters is particularly relevant ... well, one of our all-GSAC guys didn't start a game all season. In this bastardized logic they are using here, does that mean they s/h selected 9 guys? 
(2) last year, the GSAC selected 6 first teamers and 5 second teamers ... I dunnu 
http://www.greatsouth.org/05_06_news/2_24_06_MBB__Conf.htm
still not the 10 first teamers you're talking about ... but closer.

Actually, you know what, I care because all-conference teams determine eligibility for all-region, and I think diluting All-Conference dilutes our awards. So I have a vested interest.

Smart ass.

Yeah, right. I can see that ... if the mighty GSAC had named 10 guys (like every other conference) to their 1st and 2nd teams ... obviously, that would have screwed up your all-region teams.

Actually, you know what, if they had, and you didn't think any of them were worthy ... you didn't have to put them on your all-region team.

I felt like closing with  ... "Dumb Ass." ... but I didn't want to sink to juvenile name calling.

IMHO, the purpose of this forum is just to exchange information and a few opinions with other folks interested in D3 basketball. But, it is of no real significance ... and it's certainly not worth working up any hostility over.

Have a nice day ...

[Pat Coleman]

BTW, why do you care?

And since you gettin all up in GSAC business,

it's certainly not worth working up any hostility over.

You should have thought of that before you posted that long diatribe, I guess.

[GSAC Killer]

Whoa!!! WhoA!!! I have been gone a couple of days and this message board has gone CRAZY!!!

Here is my take on things in no particular order.. Bobby congrats on the award "by the way you are the "POY" hands down.. Sorry Jake...0-2 against Da Ville, 0-2 against LaGrange... Jake you do deserve 1st Team All Conference though...

Bo and Bradley congrats you deserve it!! Bowers you should have made second team but in the end " like my main man Mr.Grubby said its in a box somewhere" NCAA Tournaments baby!!! Bowers and Quinn hang your hats on that.. Two in a row for you guys...

Jake although your by far the best pure PG in the conference you don't need a plaque to know what your worth to your team and your school.. My Assistant Coach Spencer Beaty once told me "People who know the game, know who the Most Valuable Player is and who the ballers are"  Don't worry about kid... Use that as motivation for the Tournament and next season... Tell you a quick story I was snubbed from All City 1st Team in "Miami best city in the world" as a junior and used that as my fuel to earn it the following year...

Big picture is we sometimes forget these are kids and they want to be recognized.. Its not about us or the Coaches this game is about the kids.. Its about education first Sports second...

Hey Coach Haynes congrats on a wonderful season!! I told you in the summer you would have a great season.. " DA Killer is 98.7% right on most things"

To my Old Coach with his great hair, congrats again on a job well done!! Best job you have done since I met you... I hope you get 500 this weekend...

Lastly to Mr.Coleman I hope you place Bobby Golden in your All South Region Teams..

Conclusion:  Scots have another marvelous season!!! Hopefully they get an NCAA Tournament bid for the 10th year in a row!! Not to many teams can sya they have done that... Awards are stored in boxes, playing college basketball and forming the relationships with teammates and friends are forever!! Thats what counts.. No one can ever take that away from any of the players.. Good Luck to all this weekend!!!

[mattgrubb]

Well said Killer

Go Scots