MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[Ralph Turner]

Back to an old sore subject ... how chicksh*t it was of the "Great" (yeah, right) South to name only 8 guys on the all conference team/teams or whatever ...

Check out the Big East ... 11 on the "first" team, 10 on the "second" team, and 7 honorable mention ...
http://pittsburghpanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030507aaa.html

What's the deal these days ... did everyone forget how to count?

I don't care how many teams you have in your conference, it seems to me you could pick all-conference "teams" in groups of five? How difficult would that be?

If you want to recognize 25 guys ... pick a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, and 5th team ... it's not rocket science.

On the other hand, if you can only muster the will to pick 8 guys ... then come right out and say it ... we're too half-a$$ed to do it like a real conference would.

Or ... just be honest ... say we were too lazy and/or incompetent to put any real effort into it ... so we just listed the top scorers.

Or ... just don't bother ... I see no need in emphasizing the "chicken sh*tedness" of the GSAC.

It is either that new secret defense that they are trying in the Big East, a 3-4-4, or those athlete-students in the Big East cannot count.

[Spencer Beaty]

Who cares about postseason awards.  We lost our last game like everyone else in the GSAC.  Let us all get better.

[mattgrubb]

clarify that spencer

we lost our last game by 20 like all gsac schools

[Ralph Turner]

clarify that spencer

we lost our last game by 20 like all gsac schools

Grubby one, I am little like you Murvul guys.  I just want to be able to say that McMurry lost its last game of the season to Mississippi College in the Golden Dome (by 10 points) to the national champion!

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph: If we could not talk about stuff we've talked about before, the boards would be short!  In one of the articles in local papers when Lambert reached his 500th win, it was mentioned that the graduation rate of his players over 20-some years is above 95%  That is as important as the 500 wins for a D3 program, in my opinion.

doug, I thought of one other distinction between the GSAC, and especially Murvul, and the ASC schools.  Many of the NAIA schools of the early 1900's are now in the ASC.

Charter members at the ASC's creation as a NCAA D3 in June 1996 from the TIAA*:

*Austin College -- SCAC (NAIA/D3 dual member)
*University of Dallas -- now independent
*Hardin-Simmons -- was D1AAA (non-football until 1990, became NAIA-2)
*Howard Payne
*McMurry
Mississippi College -- came from D2 Gulf South Conference
University of the Ozarks -- NAIA
*Sul Ross State

Added from other Texas NAIA conferences

ETBU and added football
UMHB and added football
Concordia-Austin
Schreiner
LeTourneau

UT-Dallas -- NAIA independent
Louisiana -- added to football and joined from NAIA Gulf Coast AC.

Texas Lutheran -- D2 and added football.

UT-Tyler -- NAIA independent and adding sports as the school expands from its previous position as an upper level institution.


Remaining NAIA schools in the area of the ASC:

Sooner AC (NAIA-1) schools in the Texas panhandle:  Wayland Baptist and Lubbock Christian

Red River AC (NAIA-1):

--Houston Baptist  (I am not sure of their "history")
--Texas Wesleyan in old east Fort Worth (came from D2; has big NAIA history),
--Southwestern Assemblies of God,
--non-basketball-playing Northwood Institute in southwest Dallas suburb of Cedar Hill,
--non-basketball-playing College of the Southwest in Hobbs, NM
--Bacone College in Muskogee OK
--Paul Quinn in Dallas
--Jarvis Christian in Hawkins, TX (east Texas)
--Wiley College (cross town from ETBU in Marshall)
--Texas College (in Tyler)
--Huston-Tillotson (in Austin)

Red River AC has lost Langston OK, UT-Permian-Basin (odessa) and Texas A&M International (Laredo) to D2.

The Sooner AC has 10 schools total north of the Red River.  The Gulf Coast AC in Louisiana and Mississippi has some overlap, but none play football.  And Mississippi College has Belhaven and Tougaloo and William Carey.

We just don't have the NAIA penetration in Texas that you have in the GSAC.

[coachwgh]

"We just don't have the NAIA penetration in Texas that you have in the GSAC"

Penetration....good word for it.

[scottiedoug]

Potent observation, coach.

[Spencer Beaty]

I have been talking to coach Lambert and it is going to be a struggle to find posts.  He has some pretty good guards coming in as Freshman but I do not know of any post that he has snagged that could play right away.  Keep on that coach Lambert.

[ohyeah]

looks like Mississippi College had a strong showing in the sweet 16.  Havent done my research but I wonder if tmoney was posting on the ODAC board.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Mississippi College strong showing in the Sweet 16??? Not even close. They played very disappointingly and got man-handled by Virginia Wesleyan.

[mattgrubb]

that sux for MC, i thought they looked great against Maryville, but it is easier to play at home

congrats on a great season chocs

There are some really good NAIA schools in TN that would make a great fit for the GSAC now all we have to do is get them

Covenant
Lambuth
Freed Hardeman
Crichton
Trevecca Nazarene
Tennessee Wesleyan
Union
Cumberland

Problem is most of those seem like a good fit for D2, we will see

[Ralph Turner]

that sux for MC, i thought they looked great against Maryville, but it is easier to play at home

congrats on a great season chocs

There are some really good NAIA schools in TN that would make a great fit for the GSAC now all we have to do is get them

Covenant
Lambuth
Freed Hardeman
Crichton
Trevecca Nazarene
Tennessee Wesleyan
Union
Cumberland

Problem is most of those seem like a good fit for D2, we will see

If they have 5 men's and 5 women's sports and at least one sport in each of the three seasons, then they are a great candidate to form a new D2 conference.  The only kicker among those schools is that not all have football.  I cannot answer any mission-vision questions that would need to be answered by the Presidents.

[scottiedoug]

Ralph:  Your job now is to make all of us who got spanked by MissColl feel better since the Choctaws got beat pretty much in the Fishtank.  Up to it?

I heard frrom a reliable source that Randy has a commitment from a big person from GA who can play as a frosh.  Hope so.

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph:  Your job now is to make all of us who got spanked by MissColl feel better since the Choctaws got beat pretty much in the Fishtank.  Up to it?

I heard frrom a reliable source that Randy has a commitment from a big person from GA who can play as a frosh.  Hope so.

Doug, I don't know if I can! 

I am just as frustrated as you!

The Golden Dome is a very tough place to play.  The difference may come with Coach Bizot moving to UT-Tyler.  The ASC-East just got tougher!

I won't air ASC laundry on the GSAC pages, but I am sure we will have discussions on the ASC pages.

I think that we do have an unholy triangle.  Murvul matches well with the OAC schools and not MissColl.  MissColl stomps Johns Hopkins and the ASC and still has never won a Sweet 16.  How we get MissColl to win a Sweet 16 is a real question-mark!   

[wilburt]

Hey Ralph:

Lincoln recently won the 2007 NCAA Division III Indoor Track and Field team championship and Fisk was tied for 10th place (in the nation) at the 2007 NCAA Division III Track and Field Indoor Championships.  Fisk's freshman from Jamaica - Kamar James - is the 2007 NCAA Division III National Champion in the Triple Jump.  Quite a feat for a freshman.

Congrats to Coach Dave Rachel....