MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

coachwgh · July 04, 2007, 07:20:40 AM

Killa, I usually have a five shot rule...if you have hit five in a row then you can miss your next five in a row but if you miss five in a row first, it is time to spend five minutes with me in the chairs.

Happy Independence Day!! It is really amazing when you think this country was founded without indoor plumbing and has come all the way to the iphone.

GSAC Killer · July 04, 2007, 03:54:06 PM

I agree Coach Haynes. Happy 4th to all!!

As to the John Higgins-Watts comparison, and I am being serious, I would take Watts. We murdered those cats in our normal Adult league games. Higgins and his UT boys got nothing on us Fighting Scots. I got your back Grubby one!!

Kingston Alley does suck!!! We still have a chance if we win our last 3!

Spencer Beaty · July 04, 2007, 06:19:02 PM

well i do not have a comparison on the watts/higgins analogy. I haven't seen him play in a while and the only time I have seen higgins was when he drilled 4 straight 3's and made a kid trip over his own feet after a crossover.

wilburt · July 05, 2007, 07:41:21 AM

ScottieDoug: Since you are a history buff like myself this link is an article on Henry Kean that you may appreciate. A Fisk alum and former football coach and athletic director at Tennessee State. Kean's Little Garden (TSU former gym) was named after him. I believe the 2005 GSAC tournament was played in there as well if my memory serves correct...

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707041137

P.S. Coach Haynes interesting thought on the five shot rule.

mattgrubb · July 05, 2007, 09:22:29 AM

sounds like the killer's coach needs to hit his team with reality, you are not winning
that is pretty much what i do with mine and they respond well
the problem with my team is attendance
Tonight will be the first night i have my top 5 draft picks there
i have been without at least 2 of the top 5 every game

Spencer, how many times have you seen me dunk on fools and drain numerous 3's?

old_lion · July 05, 2007, 12:29:07 PM

Quote from: GSAC Killer on July 04, 2007, 03:54:06 PM
Kingston Alley does suck!!!

Hmmm... I guess there is a little different perspective when you're not on "the best team in the league"?

In other words, it's a little easier to be positive, enthusiastic, and successful (a winner) when the odds are consistently stacked in your favor.

I'm going to be consistent though ... even though I've never seen Kingston Alley play, I'm still going to maintain that it is theoretically possible that they just might have a few "winners" on their roster ...

Maybe I'm being too vague ... here is my point.

Killer, you were "a winner" at Murvul ... and I seriously doubt if that has changed now that your team is less dominant. I believe the "winning is the only thing" Murvul faithful would do well to keep that in mind when judging other players who have not experienced the good fortune of being a Fighting Scot.

old_lion · July 05, 2007, 12:39:52 PM

Quote from: wilburt on July 05, 2007, 07:41:21 AM
ScottieDoug: Since you are a history buff like myself this link is an article on Henry Kean that you may appreciate. A Fisk alum and former football coach and athletic director at Tennessee State. Kean's Little Garden (TSU former gym) was named after him. I believe the 2005 GSAC tournament was played in there as well if my memory serves correct...

http://www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007707041137

Wilburt: Thanks for sharing ... I'm also a history buff and enjoy your "history lessons", as well. Sounds like Allan Houston came from an impressive gene pool ... athletic and otherwise.

Here are a couple of other links (re Allan Houston) you may find interesting. It appears he's a "class act" ...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/07/AR2006080701331.html
http://pr.tennessee.edu/news/release.asp?id=1654

It's a shame more big money, pro athletes aren't similarly devoting their resources to such positive causes.

I must admit though, there is one aspect of the UT scholarships that concerns me ...

"The Wade Houston Scholarships will be awarded to four African American undergraduate students at the Knoxville campus."

I'd be more impressed if the racial qualifier had been omitted. I'm certain worthy candidates from a variety of ethnic backgrounds could easily be found. Can you imagine the (justifiable) outrage if someone announced plans to establish scholarships exclusively for white students? Yeah, I know ... that's the way things were for years. That doesn't make it right ... then, or now. Hey, either you want a level playing field or you don't ... I know, it's not that simple. But it should be.

OK, that's enough ... I'll put away my soap box for awhile. I hate the off season. Only three and half months until October 15th.

mattgrubb · July 05, 2007, 01:28:39 PM

Old Lion,
Winning is a habit and it is a lot easier when you are winning. It has not always been that way at maryville. Losing at Maryville can be considered 16-9 in a season. i was there for that. Also, my team is 2-3 and i am as positive as it gets. That is how First tennessee rolls. In order to become a positive winner, you have to be positive and then win. In that order b/c it won't work in the reverse order. yeah, it sucks when you are nothing but positive and a loser, but that is the only way to stop being a loser one day. "Winning is an expectation and you players tend to meet their own expectations"-The Grubby One
I predict a victory for First Tennessee tonight and a loss for Kingston Alley b/c i have all my guys tonight and we expect to hammer Toyota of Knoxville aka Chris Lofton's team. And for those of you who are not in knoxville, Just like Ron Burgundy, chris lofton is kind of a big deal around here.

Go Scots

wilburt · July 05, 2007, 01:54:50 PM

Old Lion:

Allen Houston is a class act. As far as the scholarships, we will have to debate that at another time. I will say this though, Sen. Kerry's wife (Teresa Heinz) was born in East Africa (Mozambique I think) and then became a U.S. citizen. So even though she is white, she technically is an African-American because of the continent of her birth and citizenship prior to becoming an American.

Food for thought...

mattgrubb · July 05, 2007, 04:39:08 PM

Wilburt,
I know an african american artist that gets much more play in the Pike house than the Nupe house. Dave Matthews was born in South Africa. Making him eligible for the scholarship as well.

old_lion · July 06, 2007, 09:53:02 AM

Quote from: mattgrubb on July 05, 2007, 01:28:39 PM
Old Lion,
Winning is a habit and it is a lot easier when you are winning. It has not always been that way at maryville. Losing at Maryville can be considered 16-9 in a season. i was there for that. Also, my team is 2-3 and i am as positive as it gets. That is how First tennessee rolls. In order to become a positive winner, you have to be positive and then win. In that order b/c it won't work in the reverse order. yeah, it sucks when you are nothing but positive and a loser, but that is the only way to stop being a loser one day. "Winning is an expectation and you players tend to meet their own expectations"-The Grubby One

You make several good points, Grubby One.

My point continues to be that I'd like to see the "winning is the only thing" contingent from Murvul show a little more restraint re automatically discounting the abilities of those who are not part of a perennially winning program. That's all.

No man is an island.
-- John Donne (1572-1631) --

old_lion · July 06, 2007, 11:13:21 AM

Quote from: wilburt on July 05, 2007, 01:54:50 PM
Old Lion:

As far as the scholarships, we will have to debate that at another time. I will say this though, Sen. Kerry's wife (Teresa Heinz) was born in East Africa (Mozambique I think) and then became a U.S. citizen. So even though she is white, she technically is an African-American because of the continent of her birth and citizenship prior to becoming an American.

Food for thought...

Well that's interesting ... but if it has any relevance to what I feel is a disappointing qualifier placed on said scholarships, then I'm missing something. Surely you're not suggesting that a white person who happened to be born in Africa might be awarded one of the scholarships ... as opposed to a black person who happened to be born in say ... England, for instance ... and therefore would be considered ineligible? With all due respect Wilburt, it seems to me that race, not one's birth continent, was the qualifier here.

Anyway, let me take another shot at succinctly making my point. (Sorry, I've never be very good at "succinct".)

IMHO, if we all truly would like to see us evolve more towards a society where race is no longer used as an arbitrary and illogical factor on which we discriminate ... maybe we should all (white, black, or whatever) stop using race as an arbitrary factor on which we discriminate. (It sort of reminds me of two little unruly kids sitting in the back of Mom's SUV ... one says, "Mama, Mama ... make him quit hitting me! Oh, but by the way Mother, I'd like to reserve the right to keep hitting him." Uh uh Timmy, that doesn't seem quite right. I know, I know ... it's not that simple. But it should be.)

IMHO, that sort of behavior is just as unfair, distasteful, pick your own adjective ... regardless of the race of the person who happens to be engaging in it at the time. But that's just my opinion ...

old_lion · July 06, 2007, 11:29:01 AM

Congratulations to Robby Lawrence for being invited to be involved with the Hawks summer league team.
http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Hawks_To_Participate_In_2007_RMR_070507.html

Coach Haynes, how did that happen???

I knew some of our DIII guys could play a little bit ... and, IMHO, are often not afforded the appropriate level of respect in comparison to some of their "less Roman-numeraled" NCAA brethren ...

But I must admit, I was still a little surprised to see one of them listed as even a possibility for an NBA summer league team. Wow ...

wilburt · July 06, 2007, 11:34:46 AM

Quote from: old_lion on July 06, 2007, 09:53:02 AM
My point continues to be that I'd like to see the "winning is the only thing" contingent from Murvul show a little more restraint re automatically discounting the abilities of those who are not part of a perennially winning program. That's all.

No man is an island.
-- John Donne (1572-1631) --

1. Old Lion the "winning is the only thing" contingent from East Tennessee can't help themselves. That contingent has a higher than ordinary psychological need to brag and boast from time to time in the name of just having fun!

2. Teresa Heinz was just food for thought to give a little levity to your remarks... I will give you my more serious remarks in a PM later!

Ralph Turner · July 06, 2007, 11:41:28 AM

Quote from: old_lion on July 06, 2007, 11:29:01 AM
Congratulations to Robby Lawrence for being invited to be involved with the Hawks summer league team.
http://www.nba.com/hawks/news/Hawks_To_Participate_In_2007_RMR_070507.html

Coach Haynes, how did that happen???

I knew some of our DIII guys could play a little bit ... and, IMHO, are often not afforded the appropriate level of respect in comparison to some of their "less Roman-numeraled" NCAA brethren ...

But I must admit, I was still a little surprised to see one of them listed as even a possibility for an NBA summer league team. Wow ...

It's gotta be the coaching!