MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[old_lion]

Since you posted from Fisk's campus, I'll let you in on a secret.

Also, from King Pat ...

I am shocked that an athletic director in Division III doesn't know that the conference has no role in advocating a team for an at-large bid.

Wow! This is a fairly disturbing revelation ... wilhe is Fisk's AD??? If that is actually the case, my condolences Wilburt ... to paraphrase the Immortal Bard ... Something is, indeed, rotten in Nashville.

I'm not exactly a charter member of the King Pat fan club ... he's a little too authoritarian and relishes his role as the "Great Oz behind the curtain" a little too much for my taste ... but, give the devil his due. As King Pat loves to share with his subjects from time to time, he does have access to all that behind the scenes stuff, IP addresses and such ... so I have to assume he knows what he is talking about.

wilhe is Fisk's AD???

I'm not applying for a job in administration at Duke ... so I don't want to rush to judgement. But, if wilhe really is Fisk's AD ...  Wow ... 

[Pat Coleman]

Wow! This is a fairly disturbing revelation ... wilhe is Fisk's AD??? If that is actually the case, my condolences Wilburt ... to paraphrase the Immortal Bard ... Something is, indeed, rotten in Nashville.

Well, all I had to do was click on his name like everyone else. His e-mail address made it fairly obvious. Even this narrow-minded imbecile knows some names of ADs. No behind the scenes skullduggery needed.

[Ralph Turner]

Wow!  William K. Head is listed as the AD at Fisk on the Fisk website.

The email shown for wilhe is wheadx4@hotmail.com as shown on the profile.

That reflects very poorly.  I hope that someone registered his email fraudently.  The Maryville 2003 Pool B bid means that the AD doesn't comprehend what his teams will need to do to earn an at-large berth in D3 as independents .

If Fisk is considering moving to D-IV, it appears that they will need dramatically to increase the spending on athletics over the $280-300K range we discussed in 2006.  The other options are scholarship D-II or NAIA.

[wilburt]

Gentlemen:

The only thing that reflects poorly and is rotten is many of you from the GSAC and a few not from the GSAC.  You have rationalized much of the racist behavior of many from the GSAC and continue to do so to this day.  Particularly I am surprised at Old Lion, Coach Haynes, Ralph and Doug who continue to put their collective heads in the sand and deny that racial problems EVER existed within the GSAC.  So be it, history has shown that to be the case from the abuse the 1966 Texas Western basketball team suffered, to the Big East fans throwing bananas on the court when John Thompson's Georgetown's played in the 1980s, til most recently a study coming out that White referees called more fouls on Black players than White players in NBA games. 

Yes, Randy Lambert is a racist and those that conspired with him to kick Fisk out the GSAC are racists as well. I will continue to say that and believe that until I die. If you fall into that category too Coach Haynes then so be it and that goes for some of Lambert's former players from Hooterville College as well.  If the hood fits then wear it.

As for Pat Coleman, I did not know whether you were a bigot or just a jerk.  I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a jerk! 

[wilburt]

Since nobody else will, I will speak on Wilburt's behalf.  Take a second to think aobut it.  You are the only black poster on the board representing the only COED HBCU in a small conference, which has already removed a HBCU years before.   Walks like a duck...sounds like a duck. .......but fortunately in this case it is not a racist duck. 

Talk about rationalizations.  All of this recent "quacking" sound like a group of ducks to me...

[coachwgh]

I teeter on a line of maintaining professionalism due to my position and stating my 100% feelings at times on this board.  It is what it is. I don't have time to dig up old posts but that quote that Wilburt posted is a 100% feeling, not a half-hearted politically correct quote.  Plain and simple with no debate...IF YOU CAN'T GET TEAMS TO SHOW UP FOR HOME GAMES YOU DON'T BELONG IN A CONFERENCE!!!!  If Piedmont College travelled to LaGrange College and our softball team didn't show up for a game at home, heads would roll.  If this was coupled with other things that include but are not limited too, cross country runners(and I use the term loosely) using cell phones while walking on the course, heads would roll.  I want to take a moment to applaud the efforts of Spellman.  They were not meeting requirements for game day protocol and have made every effort to get these standards up.  They were on probation for a year and it is my understanding that they are in good standing now.  If you want to be a part of something were you will be competing or sharing in awards and benefits then it usually takes two things, 1. Money and 2. The ability to meet the expectations of the group. This really shouldn't be this big of a discussion since Stillman wanted to go D2 all along and we just pushed them in that direction and Fisk left the GSAC.  There was no vote to put anyone out just disapproval of the way things were going outside of men's hoops.

Wilburt, don't ever put my name in the same paragraph as a comment about a "hood". 

Quack.

[wilburt]

I teeter on a line of maintaining professionalism due to my position and stating my 100% feelings at times on this board. 

I think you crossed that line already.

Thanks for that last quack though, I knew you had some duck in you all along...



 

[JohnnyBravo]

     Come on now Willburt you bring up a point that a study showed that white refs called more fouls on black players compared with black players.  Think about it man 72 percent of the NBA is African American.  Therefore this study is irrelevant, it is obvious that more fouls are going to be called on black players in the NBA, not everything always has to be a race issue.  Here is how Charles Barkley felt about the subject ""That might be the most stupid study I've ever heard, for two reasons. Number one, there are a lot more black players in the NBA. So, of course, there are going to be more calls by white referees against Black players. But, also, I bet those jackasses, if they wanted to, I bet Black referees call more fouls against black players. For them to come out with a statement like that, is irresponsible and it's asinine." 
     And you want to call people racist because Fisk got kicked out of the league???  How about the times when fisk did not even show up for games?  Or the times when a team would drive all the way to fisk and then they did not even have a team?  But I guess members of the GSAC were racist because they did not want to spend the money to drive to fisk just to have to drive back when there is no one to compete against.  Lets not even talk about the fact that by playing fisk in any sport outside Men's Basketball would hurt teams strength of schedule.  But what am I even talking about.....everyone that has ever been affiliated with the GSAC is a racist. 

[scottiedoug]

Wilburt writes, "Particularly I am surprised at Old Lion, Coach Haynes, Ralph and Doug who continue to put their collective heads in the sand and deny that racial problems EVER existed within the GSAC."  I have never denied that racial problems existed and still exist within the GSAC.  The GSAC is made up of human beings, many if not all of whom are conflicted to one degree or another about race and issues of race.  I may have said some stupid things, but not that.  I do know that at one GSAC school there are ongoing efforts at the institutional and individual level, both within and outside the athletic department, to "undo" racism.  That would not happen if there were no problem.

I do not accept the scheme of logic that ascribes racist motives or intent to every decision anyone makes about people who are of a different race.  Nor do I believe one can logically or reasonably infer that decisions made by the human beings who make decisions on behalf of schools or conferences are "racist" decisions just because they happen to be negative about schools that are predominately of a different race.

That does not mean that people or institutions cannot or do not sometimes or even often make decisions based in racism, but smart people who skip the rules of logic and ascribe racist motives to every act by people of any particular group of "others" do not reflect very well on whereever they got an education, never mind who has a Phi Beta Kappa chapter.

Lets say some "GSAC racists" objected to some of the transgressions by Fisk which others have pointed out and made their unhappiness known.  What if a "white" school had been guilty of the same things?  I suspect from recent postings that Wilburt would predict that none of the racists would have objected in the same way they allegedly did re: Fisk.  I suspect otherwise.   

These comments come from a white person who is quite sure that racism is very much a factor in almost everything, to some degree or other.  But not everything all the time.  If we do not take considerable care in how we communicate what we think about this, we make it less possible ever to get beyond the racist legacy we all inherited when we got here.

[old_lion]

Wilburt,

Slow down there big fella ... you are attempting to include me in a discussion (whether or not racism played a part in Fisk's exit from the GSAC) that I have no desire to be a part of.

I know racism exists ... both ways. One would have to be very naive to think otherwise. But my own personal opinion is that we thoughtful, reasonable people have a responsibility to, as much as possible, give people the benefit of the doubt. I think that, absent hard evidence to the contrary, we are all better served if we keep an open mind and approach people and situations assuming racism will not be factor. That's what works best for me anyway.

I abhor racism and I abhor situations where racism is dredged up and unnecessarily thrown into the mix when in reality, it is not a factor. Under the best of circumstances, racism is despicable and difficult to deal with. IMHO, the situation only gets worse when any of us are overly sensitive and assume racism simply because people of different races are involved. It's sad really ... and terribly counter productive.

But back to my original point ... I was simply challenging you for being so quick to accept wilhe as a credible source.

I was simply pointing out that, to me, he seemed uninformed, illogical, and well ... sort of looney. I made no assumptions as to his race and it certainly didn't cross my mind that he might be Fisk's AD. If indeed, he is Fisk's AD, then that just ratchets that whole "uninformed angle" up to the level of astounding!

But enough of this ... In closing, I'd like to comment that I, like Coach Haynes, would prefer to not see my name linked in any way with the word "hood" used in that context.

We're still tight, right?

[old_lion]

Apparently, scottiedoug and I were writing our responses at the same time.

Insightful fella ... that scottiedoug. 

[Pat Coleman]

As for Pat Coleman, I did not know whether you were a bigot or just a jerk.  I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a jerk! 

Thanks.

At least I sign my name to my posts and I don't lob anonymous half-truths at people.

[wilburt]

As for Pat Coleman, I did not know whether you were a bigot or just a jerk.  I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a jerk! 

Thanks.

At least I sign my name to my posts and I don't lob anonymous half-truths at people.

You are very welcome Pat.  By the way, I am not anonymous regardless of whether you think half-truths are being lobbed or not.

Old Lion, we can talk in PMs. 

[mattgrubb]

all i have to say, is no one ever made fun of me for being a member of the catawba indian nation while I was on the court in the GSAC.  i guess racism extends to all races.  I guess no one ever made fun of that fact b/c i was the best player in the GSAC and i followed all of the rules.

and BTW, Randy Lambert never made me feel that being of native american heritage was a negative.

yes my paternal grandfather grew up on the reservation in rock hill, sc and had to leave it to escape extreme poverty.  the reservation did get running water in 1998, which would have been my freshman year of college.

I don't appreciate anyone calling Randy Lambert a racist.  I have a list of teammates who are not of the caucasian persuasion as well and they have nothing but respect for Randy.  maybe someone would not like fisk b/c "it's not whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game"-quote from i forget who, but sometimes that can seem so relevant when you compete against fisk, b/c they never really take that into consideration.

[Pat Coleman]

As for Pat Coleman, I did not know whether you were a bigot or just a jerk.  I will continue to give you the benefit of the doubt and just call you a jerk! 

Thanks.

At least I sign my name to my posts and I don't lob anonymous half-truths at people.

You are very welcome Pat.  By the way, I am not anonymous regardless of whether you think half-truths are being lobbed or not.

Nor did I say you were. Pay attention.