MBB: Great South Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Indeed, other conferences don't have 2.0 players per team on their All-Conference team either. That would be like having an All-SCAC team of 20 players.

If the SCAC wanted to pick a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th team, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unheard off.
Some even pick a few honorable mentions ...

For example:
Here's 21, 28 including honorable mention ...
http://gomarquette.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030507aad.html

Don;t know if you're aware, but the Big East has 16 teams.

[allsky7]

Indeed, other conferences don't have 2.0 players per team on their All-Conference team either. That would be like having an All-SCAC team of 20 players.

If the SCAC wanted to pick a 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th team, I don't think that would be unreasonable or unheard off.
Some even pick a few honorable mentions ...

For example:
Here's 21, 28 including honorable mention ...
http://gomarquette.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/030507aad.html

But I'm not aware of any conferences who use the "times 2 factor" ... maybe you are. I just don't see the downside of picking a 1st and 2nd team ... and recognizing a couple more guys. Maybe you do ...

All the children are above average, after all.

Nice comment. 

       OK.....now let me see. It is the GSAC all conference TEAM is is not? The sport is basketball is it not? There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.    Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M?  The question should be how many T-E-A-M-S do you want to honor. Sure seems logical to me. Who gives a rats rear end that there are only 4 teams in the GSAC.  If two more honorees to make a full 1st and 2nd team are going to ruin the entire lot, then perhaps there should only be a 1st team. 

[Pat Coleman]

I just happen to think 10 players for four teams is not a very exclusive club. That's two and a half starters on every team getting in. What have you earned if you're on that team? You're better than half the starters on the average team.

[old_lion]

Don;t know if you're aware, but the Big East has 16 teams.

I'm aware ... I just don't care.

I don't buy into that "#of teams times 2" logic.  Except for the gsac and apparently, you ... I'm not aware of anyone who does.

       OK.....now let me see. It is the GSAC all conference TEAM is is not? The sport is basketball is it not? There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.    Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M?  The question should be how many T-E-A-M-S do you want to honor. Sure seems logical to me. Who gives a rats rear end that there are only 4 teams in the GSAC.  If two more honorees to make a full 1st and 2nd team are going to ruin the entire lot, then perhaps there should only be a 1st team. 

Finally ... a voice of reason in the wilderness!  Welcome, brother.

[Pat Coleman]

No, don't get me wrong -- I also think two is excessive. Unless your goal is to just reward anyone who's decent rather than the best of the best.

Six or seven first-teamers in eight-team conferences seems to be pretty normal in the rest of Division III.

[old_lion]

Six or seven first-teamers in eight-team conferences seems to be pretty normal in the rest of Division III.

Aaaargh!

I'm tiring, allsky. You take this one ...

[allsky7]

I just happen to think 10 players for four teams is not a very exclusive club. That's two and a half starters on every team getting in. What have you earned if you're on that team? You're better than half the starters on the average team.

     Point taken. The ODAC took 20  last year with 10 teams so their 40% is the same % as the GSAC's 8. Not sure how exclusive the 40% club is either. 

[allsky7]

I just happen to think 10 players for four teams is not a very exclusive club. That's two and a half starters on every team getting in. What have you earned if you're on that team? You're better than half the starters on the average team.

     Point taken. The ODAC took 20  last year with 10 teams so their 40% is the same % as the GSAC's 8. Not sure how exclusive the 40% club is either. 

     Sorry OL....jumped right on your bandwagon and fell off the other side.     I suppose no matter how many you choose, there is always one more on the cusp. I don't suppose choosing 10 in the GSAC or 20 in the ODAC hurts anything if you are looking to honor solid performance. But if you are looking to pick the best of the best, then 40-50% seems a little watery I guess.  8)

[old_lion]

There are 5 positions in basketball are there not? Not 9 like baseball....not 11 like football....not 4 like Tibetian Yak wrestling.    Hmmmmm........perhaps there should be 5 spots on each basketball all conference T-E-A-M? 

All right, allsky. By introducing logic into this discussion, you taken things in a whole new direction ... I like it.

You touch on another interesting angle ... positions.

On a typical all star baseball team, do they select 5 outfielders, 2 first basemen, and 2 catchers on the 1st team? Of course not.

On a typical all star Tibetian Yak wrestling team, do they select 1 left Yaksman and 3 ball twisters? I don't think so ...

Hmmmm ... Well, maybe on each basketball T-E-A-M we select, we should pick 2 bigs, 2 wings, and a PG ...

Nah ... They'd never buy that ... makes way too much sense. 

[old_lion]

     Sorry OL....jumped right on your bandwagon and fell off the other side.    

No problem ... nice to have you passing through ...  Your logic was still sound.

I don't suppose choosing 10 in the GSAC or 20 in the ODAC hurts anything if you are looking to honor solid performance.

Bingo.  DIII guys work their asses off w/o scholarships, big crowds , or a lot of media recognition ... What's the harm in handing out a few atta boys at the end of the year?

[old_lion]

But if you are looking to pick the best of the best, then 40-50% seems a little watery I guess.  8)

Well picking a 1st and 2nd team should take care of that concern ... if it is a concern.

In fact, it would address it better than the "8 guy" method.    8)

[MCScotsFan]

I agree about Green. I'm not a Piedmont fan but every year I remember Green. He is very good and stands out among PGs.

Also I must say to Raul, sorry about your loss, but your decision not to play one of your top players because of an incident is most impressive to me. I knew you'd be a great coach and a coach that risks losing a big game like that but stands on principle is a very good coach. Your team got a huge message from your choice. Congratulations on a wonderful season as head coach.

[Spencer Beaty]

Old Lion, I am thinking you are stretching Green's value a little thin with some of your statements.  I will go ahead and give him the all-conference but I will fight you on the quote "the best point guard in the league."  If you would take green over Watson this year you are crazier than I thought?  Watson is an incredibly legit player and just stirs my drink a little more than someone who just is a good passer.  Watson is a leader who lead the scots to one of their all-time best records.

[old_lion]

Old Lion, I am thinking you are stretching Green's value a little thin with some of your statements.  I will go ahead and give him the all-conference but I will fight you on the quote "the best point guard in the league."  If you would take green over Watson this year you are crazier than I thought?  Watson is an incredibly legit player and just stirs my drink a little more than someone who just is a good passer.  Watson is a leader who lead the scots to one of their all-time best records.

Easy Spence.

There is a major flaw in your argument. Watson isn't a PG ... he's a combo guard who is athletic and talented enough to play there because that's what his team needs.  That's not just my opinion, I'm getting that info indirectly from RDL. If you'll look back a few pages, someone (Scottiedoug, I think) posted on here that RDL was looking for another PG for next year to help out Jared ... because Watson was really a wing and he wants to play him there next year.

So don't try to put (silly) words in my mouth and then call me crazy. 

I never said I'd take Green over Watson or anyone else. I simply said the he was the best PG in the league (I'll stand by that statement) and that it was an embarrassement for the gsac that a guy could lead it in assists for 4 straight seasons an never be named all-gasc. I'll stand by that statement, as well.

Just a passer? Green is leading the gsac in steals as well ... and he'll finish his career somewhere around 900 points.
A friendly bit of advice ... first, think and or research ... then type. You'll come across as much more credible. 

I agree with your high assessment of Watson. Very talented kid and a nice family. I visited with them briefly when you guys played at Piedmont. I just wish Murvul hadn't recruited in Ga and that he was playing for us.

Are you coming to Demorest this weekend?

[MC wild animal]

The bags are packed...its time to invade Demorest!