Pool C

[Pat Coleman]

14-4 is correct for Norwich. There are no games on Norwich's schedule that are even borderline in-region.

I assume that's a typo. The IWU and Ursinus errors, however, seem to be errors, either on the committee's part or the schools' part. Perhaps they don't know about the 200-mile rule, even though this is its third season.

[Gregory Sager]

14-4 is correct for Norwich. There are no games on Norwich's schedule that are even borderline in-region.

I assume that's a typo. The IWU and Ursinus errors, however, seem to be errors, either on the committee's part or the schools' part. Perhaps they don't know about the 200-mile rule, even though this is its third season.

The records used in the West Region rankings are even more of a mess with regard to errors.

[smedindy]

Hmmm...I noticed on this site that the Wabash / Alma game was not listed as an in-region game, when I do believe it is (even though it as a tip off tourney). Could there be other errors here?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

OS,

You have both Howard Payne and Miss Coll crossed off as conference leaders, but the ASC only gets one AQ currently.

Also, since the 5th, WPI, Salem and Keene have all lost in the NE region.  You might see some slightly more worthy teams slipping in next week.  Gordon didn't play much of a non-conference schedule (certainly not like Endicott's), but if they can beat Colby-Sawyer next week, I think they have played enough tough teams to deserve a spot from the NE; they will certainly be on par with the #3 or #4 NESCAC teams.

[Knightstalker]

OS also remember that Lincoln is a virtual lock for a Pool-B bid.  If they did not receive that Pool-B bid, they would be a definite contender for a Pool-C slot.  I say this because we all know that sometimes bizarre things come out of that committee.  It must be some sort of commie mind control.

[Pat Coleman]

Hmmm...I noticed on this site that the Wabash / Alma game was not listed as an in-region game, when I do believe it is (even though it as a tip off tourney). Could there be other errors here?

Oh, absolutely. Please point them out.

Especially problematic are tournament games, since the pairings get created on the fly, sometimes by us, sometimes by SIDs, sometimes by SID interns.

[Greek Tragedy]

OS,

You have both Howard Payne and Miss Coll crossed off as conference leaders, but the ASC only gets one AQ currently.

Also, since the 5th, WPI, Salem and Keene have all lost in the NE region. 

Yeah, I'm not perfect!  I wasn't quite sure how the ASC worked (maybe I just forgot).  I was thinking the ASC-E and ASC-W did the old two step, but I just crossed both out anyway.  Oh well!

OS also remember that Lincoln is a virtual lock for a Pool-B bid.

That's why I put them in italics...of course, later down the line, I noted Maryville and Fisk as Pool B teams, so I guess that's where I messed things up!

I'm trying, man!  I'm trying! 

[Ralph Turner]

Hmmm...I noticed on this site that the Wabash / Alma game was not listed as an in-region game, when I do believe it is (even though it as a tip off tourney). Could there be other errors here?

Oh, absolutely. Please point them out.

Especially problematic are tournament games, since the pairings get created on the fly, sometimes by us, sometimes by SIDs, sometimes by SID interns.

+1 Karma for your astute proofreading ability!

[TheFence]

I'm sure this has been explained but does the selection committee pick a certain numebr of teams from each region.  In other words is the Atlantic Region going to get a certain defined number of Pool C bids or do they simply take the best 18 teams available for the Pool C slots.

Forgive my ignorance.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

It's like musical chairs; anyway that's the way one of these guys explains it.

The committee looks at the top team from each region, so they are considering 8 teams at once.  Then they select one and the next highest ranked team from that region moves into their place.  There are always 8 teams under consideration at all times.  They keep choosing in that manner until they have 18.  It could be evenly divided or theoretically all from one region.  There are no limits or quotas.

[smedindy]

So far, the only ones I found were Alma vs. Wabash.

Alma vs. Manchester is 225 miles by Yahoo, but I don't know what the NCAA uses.

(And really, it's kind of silly for that not to be a region game, just because the GL and  the MW regions overlap).

[David Collinge]

Good point, Ralph.  I guess my point is that we shouldn't really worry about those teams ranked 6th or lower in those regions where more than 6 teams are listed because all the Pool C bids would already be taken...with that said.

Prior to tonight's results of course (record-wise).  Conference leaders are crossed out.  At this point, we'll assume current conference leaders win the Pool A bids.

Atlantic
1. Bernard Baruch 18-1 20-3 (CUNYAC)
2. William Paterson 14-5 15-6 (NJAC)
3. The College of New Jersey 12-5 14-5 (NJAC)
4. Farmingdale 12-4 15-4 (Skyline)
5. Mount St. Mary (New York) 15-4 18-4 (Skyline)

East
1. Cortland State 18-1 19-2 (SUNYAC)
2. St. John Fisher 14-1 16-3 (Empire 8 )
3. New York University 16-3 17-3 (UAA)
4. Hamilton 13-3 17-3 (Liberty)
5. Rochester 11-5 14-6 (UAA)

Great Lakes
1. Wooster 16-1 20-1 (NCAC)
2. Hope 13-1 19-1 (MIAA)
3. Carnegie Mellon 13-2 17-3 (UAA)
4. Baldwin-Wallace 16-2 18-2 (OAC)
5. Wittenberg 14-2 19-2 (NCAC)
6. Calvin   7-1 16-5 (MIAA)

Mid-Atlantic
1. York (Pennsylvania) 16-2 18-2 (CAC)
2. Widener 16-3 17-3 (MACC) beat Messiah
3. Ursinus 15-3 16-5 (Centennial) beat Johns Hopkins
4. Lincoln (Pennsylvania) 11-4 19-4 (Independent)
5. Alvernia 14-3 17-4 (PnAC)
5. Johns Hopkins 14-3 16-4 (Centennial)
7. Catholic 13-4 15-5 (CAC)
8. Messiah 13-5 14-7 (MACC)

Midwest
1. Lawrence 17-0 19-0 (MWC)
2. Augustana (Illinois) 18-0 19-1 (CCIW)
3. Transylvania 17-3 18-3 (HCAC)
4. Carroll (Wisconsin) 16-2 18-2 (MWC)
4. Illinois Wesleyan 11-3 17-3 (CCIW)
6 Lakeland 14-3 18-5 (LMC)
7. North Central (Illinois) 10-4 16-4 (CCIW)
8. Washington U. in St. Louis 10-5 13-7 (UAA)

Northeast
1. Amherst 19-1 20-2 (NESCAC)
2. Worcester Polytechnic 18-1 19-1 (NEWMAC)
3. Tufts   16-3 17-4 (NESCAC)
4. Gordon 16-2 17-3 (CCC-N)
5. Bates   14-3 18-3 (NESCAC)
6. Williams 16-5 17-5 (NESCAC
7. Trinity (Connecticut) 13-3 16-4 (NESCAC) beat Amherst
8. Salem State 14-5 14-6 (MASCAC)
9. Norwich 12-3 12-5 (GNAC) this site has Norwich at 14-4 in-region and they didn't play tonight (??)
10. Keene State 11-6 14-6 (Little East)

South
1. Mississippi College 17-1 19-1 (ASC-E)
2. Trinity (Texas) 12-2 16-5 (SCAC) swept Southwestern
3. Virginia Wesleyan 18-3 19-3 (ODAC)
4. Fisk   9-2 14-7 (GSAC) Pool B split with Maryville
5. Howard Payne 15-3 16-3 (ASC-W)
6. Randolph-Macon 14-5 17-5 (ODAC)
7. Southwestern (Texas) 12-4 16-5 (SCAC)
8. Maryville (Tennessee.) 13-5 17-5 (GSAC) Pool B split with Fisk

West
1. Occidental 9-1 16-2 (SCIAC)
2. Puget Sound 12-1 17-3 (NWC)
3. Wisconsin-Stout 14-3 17-4 (WIAC)
4. Wisconsin-La Crosse 15-5 17-5 (WIAC)
5. Wartburg 15-3 17-4 (IIAC)
6. Willamette 15-3 14-6 (NWC)
7. Carleton 12-4 15-5 (MIAC)
8. Wisconsin-Whitewater 11-5 15-5 (WIAC)

I agree that you shouldn't worry about teams not shown above, but that doesn't mean they won't be in the hunt.  Using your list above (and re-instating HPU, per Ralph's instruction), the first Pool C bid would be awarded from a field consisting of:
TCNJ (A-3)
NYU (E-3)
Hope (GL-2)
JHU (MA-5)
Carroll or IWU (MW-4t)
Amherst (NE-1)
HPU (S-5)
Oxy (W-1) although Oxy is tied first in the SCIAC, and presently holds the tiebreaker over CMS

Hope would be no worse than the second team off this board (perhaps Amherst goes first), to be replaced at the table by Wittenberg (GL-5).  Witt will be selected within the next 5 or 6 selections for sure, to be replaced by....who?  We'd have run out of Great Lakes teams just that fast, with about half of Pool C left to fill.  Whoever the anonymous 7th GL team is (either Albion or Lake Erie) would be a strong contender against some of those listed above, like Hopkins or New Jersey.   

We can't worry about the non-ranked teams, since we don't know what the committees feel about them, but we can't just dismiss them either.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Yeah, that picking the teams thing might get easier to predict with a couple more polls.

[Greek Tragedy]

David Collinge,

I think you misread/misunderstood what I was trying to say.

Someone noted that some regions have more teams listed than other regions (and the NCAA explains that).  My point is that we shouldn't worry too much about those teams listed that low in those said regions because the Pool C slots would already be filled prior to getting to those teams. 

Someone also said that "theoretically" Albion is #7 in the Great Lakes region and should be better than the #10 team (Keene State) in the NE region.   It was kind of complaint like Albion was getting shafted, but I said something like that Albion (though not listed) had a better chance to get a Pool C bid from the GL region than Keene State did as the #10 team in the NE Region (though it was pointed out that Keene State should get the Pool A spot, even though they don't even lead their conference!).

Got all that?    I think that's what I wanted to say!

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Yeah, I know what you mean, I was just saying that in addition, things will work themselves out better with time.  This is just the first poll and things may be easier to predict once it gets wrapped up for good.