Pool C

[Matt Letourneau]

Yeah, I was following it on live stats--Haverford made a run and actually even took a lead for a minute, but Hopkins pulled it out. 

[ChicagoHopeNut]

Hopkins, Mississippi College, and soon Centre will win the last three games that could affect the Pool C and thank goodness they actually won and saved some Pool C bids. However, with Amherst and WPI losing two Pool C bids were lost today. Based on D3hoops projections I think the two teams that will be left thanks to these upsets is Guilford and Stevens, which is what I see was just recently changed on the projections. So I am glad someonoe smarter than me agrees with me for once!

[Greek Tragedy]

Actually, I think HOPE will be left out!

admittingly said just to make you nervous 

[Ralph Turner]

This site says John Hopkins won 68-61

Mississippi College up on (Mary) Hardin-Simmons  61-55 with about 3 minutes to go.

Centre up 10 on Trinity (TX) with 15 to go.

Actually John G. Hardin was the benefactor for Hardin-Simmons.  His wife is considered the benefactress for Baylor Female College.


The Hardin family was the primary benefactors for Hardin-Simmons, Howard Payne, University of Mary Hardin-Baylor and Hardin College, the public junior college (Hardin College) that became Midwestern State University in Wichita Falls, and Buckner Childrens' Home in Dallas.

[Greek Tragedy]

You're no fun! lol 

They should form a super university, Mary Hardin-Baylor-Simmons.

[Ralph Turner]

You're no fun! lol 

They should form a super university, Mary Hardin-Baylor-Simmons.

Won't happen...if a town is big enough to have one Baptist Church, it is big enough to have two!

We have 6 Baptist related schools in the ASC and they don't like each other!   

[re.frank]

Any thoughts on the chances of Keene State and/or Brandeis for a Pool C bid?

[pabegg]

Any thoughts on the chances of Keene State and/or Brandeis for a Pool C bid?

Both are in.

[sac]

Through Saturday:

Overall   Points   In-reg rk   Team   Region Win%   Overall
1   11.680   1   UW-Stevens Point   0.960 (24-1)   25-2
2   11.640   1   Amherst   0.960 (24-1)   25-1
3   10.864   2   Worcester Polytech   0.909 (20-2)   22-2
4   10.818   1   Lake Erie   0.955 (21-1)   25-2
5   10.815   2   St. Thomas   0.889 (24-3)   24-3
6   10.704   3   Rhode Island College   0.889 (24-3)   24-3
7   10.667   4   Trinity (Conn.)   0.810 (17-4)   21-4
8   10.654   5   Salem State   0.923 (24-2)   24-2
9   10.636   1   Washington U.   0.818 (18-4)   20-4
10   10.609   1   Mississippi College   0.957 (22-1)   24-2
11   10.577   1   St. Lawrence   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
12   10.542   2   Chicago   0.792 (19-5)   20-5
13   10.480   1   Ramapo   0.800 (20-5)   21-7
14   10.462   3   Aurora   0.923 (24-2)   25-2
15   10.423   2   St. John Fisher   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
16   10.412   3   Occidental   0.824 (14-3)   19-5
17   10.320   6   Brandeis   0.760 (19-6)   19-6
18   10.308   4   Augustana   0.846 (22-4)   22-5
19   10.296   3   Brockport State   0.815 (22-5)   23-5
20   10.292   4   Rochester   0.750 (18-6)   18-7
21   10.269   1   Catholic   0.808 (21-5)   22-5
22   10.250   4   St. John's   0.833 (20-4)   20-7
23   10.200   2   Centre   0.800 (16-4)   22-4
24   10.192   3   Virginia Wesleyan   0.846 (22-4)   23-4
25   10.143   2   Lincoln   0.786 (11-3)   18-8
26   10.120   7   Keene State   0.800 (20-5)   23-5
27   10.091   2   Wooster   0.909 (20-2)   25-3
28   10.087   5   Whitworth   0.870 (20-3)   23-3
29   10.087   6   Loras   0.826 (19-4)   21-6
30   10.083   3   Johns Hopkins   0.875 (21-3)   22-4
31   10.040   3   John Carroll   0.720 (18-7)   19-9
32   10.000   4   Messiah   0.800 (16-4)   19-6
33   9.958   4   Maryville (Tenn.)   0.875 (21-3)   21-6
34   9.917   7   UW-Oshkosh   0.750 (18-6)   21-6
35   9.909   5   Averett   0.818 (18-4)   20-6
36   9.900   4   Hope   0.800 (16-4)   23-4
37   9.885   5   King's   0.731 (19-7)   19-8
38   9.870   6   DePauw   0.826 (19-4)   22-5
39   9.815   2   Manhattanville   0.815 (22-5)   23-5
40   9.808   6   Hood   0.769 (20-6)   21-7
41   9.792   8   UW-La Crosse   0.708 (17-7)   19-8
42   9.750   7   Alvernia   0.917 (22-2)   23-4
43   9.741   7   Mary Hardin-Baylor   0.815 (22-5)   22-5
44   9.741   3   Stevens   0.778 (21-6)   21-6
45   9.708   8   Scranton   0.708 (17-7)   19-7
46   9.708   5   New York University   0.750 (18-6)   19-6
47   9.708   8   Bates   0.708 (17-7)   18-7
48   9.696   6   Hamilton   0.696 (16-7)   19-7
49   9.654   9   Husson   0.846 (22-4)   22-6
50   9.632   9   Lewis and Clark   0.737 (14-5)   19-7
51   9.625   8   Guilford   0.833 (20-4)   21-4
52   9.619   5   Ohio Northern   0.667 (14-7)   19-7
53   9.609   7   Plattsburgh State   0.739 (17-6)   20-8
54   9.583   9   McMurry   0.792 (19-5)   20-7
55   9.520   4   New Jersey City   0.680 (17-8)   18-9
56   9.481   6   Capital   0.704 (19-8)   19-8
57   9.478   5   Elmhurst   0.739 (17-6)   21-6
58   9.458   9   Villa Julie   0.750 (18-6)   20-7
59   9.458   10   DeSales   0.708 (17-7)   19-8
60   9.450   7   Westminster (Pa.)   0.800 (16-4)   18-8
61   9.400   8   Utica   0.720 (18-7)   19-7
62   9.364   8   Wittenberg   0.773 (17-5)   22-5
63   9.360   10   Tufts   0.600 (15-10)   15-10
64   9.261   6   Grinnell   0.696 (16-7)   17-7
65   9.261   11   FDU-Florham   0.609 (14-9)   17-9
66   9.238   5   Richard Stockton   0.667 (14-7)   17-9
67   9.235   10   Redlands   0.765 (13-4)   17-7
68   9.231   7   Transylvania   0.692 (18-8)   19-8
69   9.200   9   Penn State-Behrend   0.720 (18-7)   19-7
70   9.190   8   Wheaton (Ill.)   0.619 (13-8)   17-9
71   9.185   11   Elms   0.704 (19-8)   20-8
72   9.148   11   UW-Whitewater   0.667 (18-9)   18-9
73   9.143   9   Carthage   0.619 (13-8)   16-9
74   9.143   6   Rowan   0.714 (15-6)   20-6
75   9.100   10   Calvin   0.700 (14-6)   18-9
76   9.091   10   Carroll   0.682 (15-7)   15-8
77   9.091   11   Baldwin-Wallace   0.682 (15-7)   18-9
78   9.091   12   Colby   0.636 (14-8)   15-11
79   9.080   13   Bridgewater State   0.680 (17-8)   17-8
80   9.074   14   Western New England   0.704 (19-8)   19-8
81   9.000   12   Pomona-Pitzer   0.688 (11-5)   16-8
82   9.000   10   Millsaps   0.714 (15-6)   18-9
83   9.000   12   Otterbein   0.600 (15-10)   16-11
84   9.000   7   SUNY-Farmingdale   0.667 (16-8)   18-9
85   9.000   15   Babson   0.600 (15-10)   16-10
86   8.958   8   SUNY-Old Westbury   0.625 (15-9)   18-10
87   8.958   9   William Paterson   0.625 (15-9)   15-10
88   8.958   16   Williams   0.583 (14-10)   15-11
89   8.952   13   Puget Sound   0.714 (15-6)   18-7
90   8.952   14   Cal Lutheran   0.619 (13-8)   17-8
91   8.905   12   Chestnut Hill   0.714 (15-6)   19-9
92   8.885   13   York (Pa.)   0.615 (16-10)   16-10
93   8.880   15   Coe   0.680 (17-8)   19-8
94   8.864   16   Buena Vista   0.636 (14-8)   17-9
95   8.857   11   Bluffton   0.619 (13-8)   18-8
96   8.857   13   Carnegie Mellon   0.524 (11-10)   12-12
97   8.833   14   Susquehanna   0.583 (14-10)   16-10
98   8.826   11   Greensboro   0.739 (17-6)   20-7
99   8.826   15   Juniata   0.652 (15-8)   16-11
100   8.789   12   North Central   0.579 (11-8)   16-10

This is what I have so far, feel free to check for errors. 

[Pat Coleman]

We changed our bracket. Did we not change the Pool C list? Possibly. Don't have time to look.

Regardless of QOWI change I think they get in. My $.02. Remember how those teams got in last year despite lower numbers than others?

[pabegg]

Well, looking at the numbers for last year, they weren't behind on the numbers - UW LaCrosse was in the top 18 on the numbers (arguably only Ill Wesleyan over Trinity CT went against the numbers).

[Greek Tragedy]

Atlantic Region
1. (44) Stevens 21-6 21-6 (LOST in Skyline Semis) POOL C
2. (13) Ramapo 21-7 20-5 (Won NJAC AQ)
3. (39) Manhattanville 23-5 22-5 (Won Skyline AQ)
4. (55) New Jersey City 18-9 17-8 (LOST to Ramapo in NJAC Final)
5. (74) Rowan 20-6 15-6  (LOST to Ramapo in NJAC Semis)

East Region
1. (19) Brockport State 23-5 22-5 (LOST to Plattsburgh State in SUNYAC Final) POOL C
2. (15) St. John Fisher 22-5 21-5 (Won Empire 8 AQ)
3. (11) St. Lawrence 22-5 21-5 (Won Liberty League AQ)
4. (46) New York U. 19-6 18-6 (lost to Brandeis, needs a Pool C)
5. (20) Rochester 18-7 18-6 (beat Carnegie Mellon, still needs a Pool C) POOL C

Great Lakes Region
1. (4) Lake Erie 25-2 21-1 (Won AMCC AQ)
2. (27) Wooster 25-3 20-2 (Won NCAC AQ)
3. (31) John Carroll 19-9 18-7 (LOST to Capital in OAC Final) POOL C
4. (36) Hope 23-4 16-4 (LOST to Calvin in MIAA Final) POOL C
5. (52) Ohio Northern 19-7 14-7 (LOST to Otterbein in OAC Quarters)
6. (62) Wittenberg 22-5 17-5 (LOST to Ohio Wesleyan in NCAC Semis)

Middle Atlantic Region
1. (30) Johns Hopkins 22-4 21-3 (plays Haverford in Centennial Finals)
2. (32) Messiah 19-6 16-4 (LOST to Widener in MAC-Commonwealth Semis) POOL C
3. (42) Alvernia 23-4 22-2 (Won PnAC AQ)
4. (25) Lincoln (Pa.) 18-8 11-3-IND:  POOL B
5. (21) Catholic 22-5 21-5 (Won CAC AQ)
6. (40) Hood 21-7 20-6 (LOST to Catholic in CAC Final) POOL C
7. (37) King's (Pa.) 19-8 19-7 (Won MAC-Freedom AQ)
8. (45) Scranton 19-7 17-7 (LOST to DeSales in MAC-Freedom Semis)

Midwest Region
1. (12) Chicago 20-5 19-5 (LOST to Washington U., needs Pool C bid) POOL C
2. (18) Augustana 22-5 22-4 (Won CCIW AQ)
3. (9) Washington U. 12-4 18-4 (defeats Chicago in UAA, gets UAA AQ)
4. (14) Aurora 25-2 24-2 (Won NathCon Final:  POOL B
5. (57) Elmhurst 21-6 17-6 (LOST to Augustana in CCIW Final)
6. (73) Carthage 16-9 13-8 ([Reg. season complete, did not make CCIW tourney)
7. (64) Grinnell 17-7 16-7 (LOST to Lake Forest in MWC Semis)
8. (70) Wheaton (Ill.) 17-9 13-8 (LOST to Elmhurst in CCIW Semis)

Northeast Region
1. (2) Amherst 25-2 24-2 (LOST to Williams in NESCAC Final) POOL C
2. (8 ) Salem State 24-2 24-2 (Won MASCAC AQ)
3. (7) Trinity (Conn.) 21-4 17-4 (LOST to Williams in NESCAC Semis) POOL C
4. (3) WPI 22-3 20-3 (LOST to Coast Guard in NEWMAC Final) POOL C
5. (6) Rhode Island 24-3 24-3 (Won LEC AQ)
6. (26) Keene State 23-5 20-5 (LOST to Rhode Island in LEC Final) POOL C
7. (17) Brandeis 19-6 19-6 (defeated NYU, still needs a Pool C) POOL C
8. (47) Bates 18-7 17-7 (LOST to Amherst in NESCAC Quarters)
9. (49) Husson 22-6 22-4 (LOST to Elms in NAC Final)
10. (80) Western New England 19-8 19-8 (LOST to Emmanuel in GNAC Semis)

South Region
1. (10) Mississippi College 24-2 22-1 (plays Hardin-Simmons in ASC Final)
2. (24) Va. Wesleyan 23-4 22-4 (LOST to Hampden-Sydney in ODAC Semis) POOL C
3. (51) Guilford 21-4 20-4 (LOST to Bridgewater (Va) in ODAC Quarters) POOL C
4. (38) DePauw 22-5 19-4 (LOST to Trinity (TX) in SCAC Semis) POOL C
5. (43) Mary Hardin-Baylor 22-5 22-5 (LOST to Hardin-Simmons in ASC POOL CSemis;a 5-pt QOWI loss)
6. (33) Maryville (Tenn.) 21-6 21-3 (defeated LaGrange in GSAC Final)-POOL B
7. (23) Centre 22-4 16-4 (plays Trinity (TX) in SCAC Final)
8. (54) McMurry 20-7 19-5 (LOST to Mississippi College in ASC Semis)

West Region
1. (1) UW-Stevens Point 25-2 24-1 (Won WIAC AQ)
2. (5) St. Thomas 24-3 24-3 (Won MIAC AQ)
3. (23) St. John's 20-7 20-4 (LOST to St. Thomas in MIAC Final) POOL C
4. (34) UW-Oshkosh 21-6 18-6 (LOST to La Crosse in WIAC Semis)
5. (16) Occidental 19-5 14-3 (Won SCIAC AQ)
6. (28) Whitworth 23-3 20-3 (Won NWC AQ)
7. (29) Loras 21-6 19-4 (Won IIAC AQ)
8. (41) UW-La Crosse 19-8 17-7 (LOST to Stevens Point in WIAC Final)

[smedindy]

Here are my power rankings for the "C" teams, taken before all Hades broke loose in the tourneys.


Amherst - 3
Brandeis - 22
Brockport State - 46
Chicago - 5
DePauw - 28
Guilford - 7
Hood - 51
Hope - 23
John Carroll - 35
Keene State - 30
Mary Hardin-Baylor - 32
Messiah - 37
Rochester - 24
St. John's - 54
Stevens - 88
Trinity (Conn.) - 15
Virginia Wesleyan - 9
WPI - 20

Those not in the field:

WI - Oshkosh - 8
Elmhurst - 11
Wittenberg - 12
Ohio Northern - 16
NYU - 17
Lewis & Clark - 19
WI - LaCrosse - 29
Grinnell - 31
Wheaton - 38
Coe - 40
Carthage - 42
WI - Whitewater - 43
Bluffton - 44
Richard Stockton - 47
Baldwin Wallace - 48


A lot of good teams staying put. More than normal, it seems.

[Knightstalker]

Smed, Stockton?  Rowan and NJCU would have been considered before Stockton.

[LAXGUY]

Teams that made it a head of La Crosse that I don't understand...

Hope
record vs 20 win teams: 0-0
record vs 18-19 win teams: 1-2
teams faced with 9 or fewer wins: 6 (6-0)

Guilford
record vs 20 win teams: 2-2
record vs 18-19 win teams: 2-0
teams faced with 9 or fewer wins: 6 (6-0)

Stevens
record vs 20 win teams: 0-1
record vs 17-19 win teams: 2-4
teams faced with 9 or fewer wins: 7 (6-1)

Mary Hardin-Baylor
record vs 20 win teams: 2-2
record vs 18-19 win teams: 0-1
teams faced with 9 or fewer wins: 13 (13-0)

compared to...

UW-LA CROSSE
record vs 20 win teams: 4-4 (3 losses to the #1 team in the nation)
record vs 18-19 win teams: 3-0
teams faced with 9 or fewer wins: 2 (2-0)


General Thoughts
1) Mary Hardin-Baylor played 13 games against teams with 9 or fewer wins.
2) Who did Hope beat??? Calvin only solid team faced and went 1-2 vs them.
3) Stevens doesn't really have a quality win either, and they also lost to a "9 wins or fewer team."
4) Is it possible to have a more difficult schedule then La Crosse??? Not to mention they handled Calvin with ease.