Pool C

[pabegg]

WIAC does the nation a favor.

Say good-bye to Oshkosh and Platteville. No chance for Pool C anymore.

Not so fast. Oshkosh is done, but Platteville clings to life. They will be in the mix if there aren't a rash of upsets for the Pool A bids. (If nothing else, they should be the West Regional team under consideration when the whole thing finishes).

So Platteville becomes the first team rooting for favorites. This would include Stevens Point and Whitewater to win the WIAC.

[sac]

Why don't you come up here!

[sac]

17-6, 4-3 vs ranked opponents.  Eau Claire was 9-13 in region, the OWP and OOWP while good now will come down..........and I'll add team that lose in quarterfinals rarely make the NCAA tournament


Looks iffy for Platteville......infact I think they're done.

[ChicagoHopeNut]

17-6, 4-3 vs ranked opponents.  Eau Claire was 9-13 in region, the OWP and OOWP while good now will come down.

Looks iffy for Platteville.

I think Platteville needs everything to hold perfectly to form. They have to be clinging to the 16th or 17th Pool C bid at best and history pretty much dictates at least 3 upsets when it comes to Pool A's.

[frodotwo]

Stevens Point on the ropes...

http://livestats.internetconsult.com/uwsp/mbball/

Are we going to witness another WIAC ritual seppuku like 2001?

2001
Tuesday, Feb. 20
Quarterfinals
UW-Stout (#8) 90, UW-Whitewater (#1) 49 (at Whitewater)
UW-Eau Claire (#4) 83, UW-Superior (#5) 76 (at Eau Claire)
UW-Oshkosh (#6) 95, UW-River Falls (#3) 87 (Overtime) (at River Falls)
UW-Platteville (#7) 57, UW-Stevens Point (#2) 56 (at Stevens Point)

Whitewater is the only one with a comfortable lead right now, the other three seeds are fighting to stay alive.

Point pulls out an OT win to avoid seppuku.

[Gregory Sager]

(I proved this back on the old message board in 2005.  Currently, Tufts is 11-13 on the season, 10-5 in non-conference and 1-8 in conference.  Assume that they would be 2-16 in a double round-robin format, and that 10-5 non-conference record becomes no better than 2-5, and the Tufts season record becomes 4-21!  Put that and the season records of the other NESCAC teams reflecting a "double round robin" into the Amherst OWP!  I will concede the autonomy to the NESCAC in scheduling the conference games to their needs, but let's not unfairly award Amherst the benefits that accrue thereto, or what some might consider "gaming the system".)

Yes! Yes! Exactly! Now you people can see why Ralph is the Hall of Famer's Hall of Famer!

[magicman]

Come down and visit the Vicksburg Battlefield, the Natchez Trace and the USS Cairo in Vicksburg. Make that part of the trip.

Come see a cemetery, a hiking trail, and an old, rusty boat. Wow, that sounds like a hell of an exciting trip.

OxyBob

Bob, that's good +1

[Gregory Sager]

Conferences with teams at the top always in contention with other teams that are notoriously bad need to step up and challenge those lower teams. Coaches need to step up and say, "hey, we are trying to compete here, but you are dragging us down." Sure, this doesn't sound PC, but if a conference wants to be respected and have contenders in the NCAA's, they can't let the bottom of the conference falter year in and year out.

Oh, right, I'd love to hear that imaginary conversation between one coach making that suggestion to another coach.

Coach A: "Hey, we are trying to compete here, but you're dragging us down."
Very Polite Coach B: "Thanks for calling. I'm hanging up now." <click>

OR

Coach A: "Hey, we are trying to compete here, but you're dragging us down."
Coach B: "Go !@#$ yourself." <click>

I dare anyone to read this post without laughing. Bravo, O-Bob!

[magicman]

(I proved this back on the old message board in 2005.  Currently, Tufts is 11-13 on the season, 10-5 in non-conference and 1-8 in conference.  Assume that they would be 2-16 in a double round-robin format, and that 10-5 non-conference record becomes no better than 2-5, and the Tufts season record becomes 4-21!  Put that and the season records of the other NESCAC teams reflecting a "double round robin" into the Amherst OWP!  I will concede the autonomy to the NESCAC in scheduling the conference games to their needs, but let's not unfairly award Amherst the benefits that accrue thereto, or what some might consider "gaming the system".)

Yes! Yes! Exactly! Now you people can see why Ralph is the Hall of Famer's Hall of Famer!

I agree. Both Ralph and hugenerd make some pretty valid points. Plus k to both.

[Greek Tragedy]

West
1. UW-Stevens Point:  Def. La Crosse 89-62; LOST at Platteville 84-65.
2. St. Thomas:  LOST at Concordia-Moorhead 67-57; Won at St. John's 82-63.
3. Occidental:  Def. Cal. Lutheran 67-63; LOST to Whittier 69-65.
4. UW-Whitewater:  Def. Oshkosh 66-51; def. River Falls 80-75.
5. Cal Lutheran:  LOST at Occidental 67-63; Won at Redlands 70-64.
6. Buena Vista:  LOST at Central 73-71; Def. Loras 80-79.
7. UW-Platteville:  Def. Eau Claire 75-58; Def. Stevens Point 84-65.
8. UW-Oshkosh:  LOST at Whitewater 66-51; LOST to Superior 77-67.

I think Platteville is clinging to life after their loss to Eau Claire tonight. 

Wednesday's rankings will obviously give us a better idea.  With nearly everyone losing last week, aside from Whitewater and Platteville, those two could be #1 and #2 in Wednesday's rankings.  Platteville tops #1 West Region Stevens Point, and while everyone else ahead of them lost (besides Whitewater), they could jump because they beat a regionally ranked opponent.  It could very well be:

1.  Whitewater
2.  Platteville
3.  Stevens Point

Get chalk to happen (St. Thomas, Oxy and BV to win their conference tourneys), that leaves the Point/Whitewater loser (best case scenario for Platteville) and Cal. Lutheran left, along with whomever replaces Oshkosh in the rankings.  At worst, they could be the #2 ranked team in the West Region and Point/Whitewater would probably go early.  You never know.

[LogShow]

Come down and visit the Vicksburg Battlefield, the Natchez Trace and the USS Cairo in Vicksburg. Make that part of the trip.

Come see a cemetery, a hiking trail, and an old, rusty boat. Wow, that sounds like a hell of an exciting trip.

OxyBob

Bob, that's good +1

You might try reading some of his posts in the SCIAC board...quality humor.

[LogShow]

I think Platteville is clinging to life after their loss to Eau Claire tonight. 

Wednesday's rankings will obviously give us a better idea.  With nearly everyone losing last week, aside from Whitewater and Platteville, those two could be #1 and #2 in Wednesday's rankings.  Platteville tops #1 West Region Stevens Point, and while everyone else ahead of them lost (besides Whitewater), they could jump because they beat a regionally ranked opponent.  It could very well be:

1.  Whitewater
2.  Platteville
3.  Stevens Point

Get chalk to happen (St. Thomas, Oxy and BV to win their conference tourneys), that leaves the Point/Whitewater loser (best case scenario for Platteville) and Cal. Lutheran left, along with whomever replaces Oshkosh in the rankings.  At worst, they could be the #2 ranked team in the West Region and Point/Whitewater would probably go early.  You never know.

Exactly!  Especailly when it is dealing with the NCAA selection commettiee

[smedindy]

I think the OWP and the OOWP are much better measures than the QOWI. Now, if they'd just get rid of the regionality and make it more national when picking "C"s....

[golden_dome]

Come down and visit the Vicksburg Battlefield, the Natchez Trace and the USS Cairo in Vicksburg. Make that part of the trip.

Come see a cemetery, a hiking trail, and an old, rusty boat. Wow, that sounds like a hell of an exciting trip.

OxyBob

The Natchez Trace isn't a hiking trail, but that's still pretty funny. +1

[pabegg]

Tuesday night's Pool C impact games

In all cases, the Pool C candidate is listed first

Regular season

Webster vs. Westminster MO
Occidental vs. LaVerne
Cal Lutheran vs. Pomona-Pitzer

Tournaments

LEC QF
Mass-Dartmouth vs. Mass-Boston
Rhode Island College vs. Plymouth St.

GNAC QF
Emerson vs. Daniel Webster

NAC QF
Elms vs. Maine-Farmington

SUNYAC QF
Plattsburgh vs. Fredonia
Brockport vs. Oneonta
Oswego vs. Potsdam

CAC QF
York PA vs. Salisbury

NCAC QF
Wooster vs. Oberlin
Ohio Wesleyan vs. Hiram

Analysis

Wooster, Mass-Dartmouth, and Plattsburgh would be Pool C locks with a loss tonight.

Emerson, Rhode Island College and Brockport are a lot like UW-Platteville last night: a loss will be nearly fatal.

Elms, Oswego, York, and Ohio Wesleyan are done with a loss tonight.

Webster still has faint Pool C chances if they don't win their conference, but a loss tonight would require them to win the Pool A bid.

Cal Lutheran has good Pool C chances at the moment, which would probably be ended by a loss tonight.

Occidental makes the NCAAs with a win tonight; a loss puts them on the bubble going into the conference tournament.