Pool C

[Pat Coleman]

Is the issue that they got passed by Wheaton, who has a head-to-head win against Chicago and a better winning percentage?

Wheaton is no longer being weighed down by its two losses to regionally ranked IWU. IWU is no longer regionally ranked.

[Titan Q]

What??? Chicago beats Brandeis and NYU and drops a spot in the rankings? How do you explain that?

Each week the regional committees reevaluate all of the candidates using the stated primary criteria...

* In-region winning %
* Strength of schedule
* In-region head to head
* In-region common opponents
* Record vs regionally ranked teams


Use this to evaluate Chicago vs Wheaton and I think you'll see why Wheaton comes out ahead.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Is the issue that they got passed by Wheaton, who has a head-to-head win against Chicago and a better winning percentage?

Wheaton is no longer being weighed down by its two losses to regionally ranked IWU. IWU is no longer regionally ranked.

Yes, the Thunder definitely owe the Vikings of NPU a huge thank you.  My guess is that that will be forthcoming several weeks after hell freezes over!

[Hugenerd]

I can understand how Wheaton could be ahead of Chicago, it is just the timing that is odd.  Chicago beats a top 10 national team and they drop.  The IWU point is fine, but it is still odd to me that you beat an "in-region" opponent with the 8th highest OWP in the country and you drop ground.  I was actually surprised to see them as high as fourth last week and I am just as surprised to see them drop after what they did this weekend.  The NCAA has to be using some sort of purely mathematical algorithm, or else they would not have had Chicago that high last week and then dropped them this week.

[Mr. Ypsi]

hugenerd, but the IWU team (against which Wheaton was 0-2) that dropped out of the in-region rankings (greatly raising a primary criterion for the Thunder) was #9 in the country in OWP.  Kinda negates the #8 OWP factor?

[Hugenerd]

Alright, whatever.  It doesnt matter that much anyway, Chicago still has to win this weekend to make it to the tourney.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Agreed.

[Mr. Ypsi]

hugenerd, but the IWU team (against which Wheaton was 0-2) that dropped out of the in-region rankings (greatly raising a primary criterion for the Thunder) was #9 in the country in OWP.  Kinda negates the #8 OWP factor?

I think you'd have to agree that IWU's OWP is overinflated, based on this post:

For Oxy, Plattsburgh has an impressive record, but IMO is somewhat overrated (top 25, sure, but maybe not top 20); Oxy won by 5 in home area, though not at home.  And while I'm a die-hard Titan rooter, don't put too much stock in Oxy's 21-point home win vs. IWU edging Wheaton (in Bloomington); as a largely freshman team, the Titans in December were definitely not the Titans of late January.

IWU therefore benefited in its OWP by virtue of having played and lost to Oxy, which beat a "somewhat overrated" Plattsburgh team; and besides, IWU wasn't really itself when it played Oxy. Right?

OxyBob

OB, I realize that your schtick is to be the curmudgeon, but this is getting a bit tiresome. 

As you well know, OWP and poll rankings have nothing to do with one another.  And I see nothing terribly controversial in assuming a freshman-dominated team will be better later in the season than earlier.  And it is a fact that Wheaton benefited tremendously (in terms of selection criteria) when IWU dropped out of the regional rankings.

So, is it JUST a comedy routine, or do you have a problem?  Either way, kindly find a new foil.

[kiltedbryan]

Everyone in contention holds serve in the GL region in their respective first round games (with PSU-Behrend to play Friday):

Hope over Alma 75-51 and Albion over Kalamazoo 64-56 in the MIAA.
OWU beats Hiram 84-66 tonight in a game postponed a day because of weather; Wooster won yesterday.
Heidelberg beats John Carroll 104-74 and Capital dispatches Mount Union 67-54.

Pabegg- Did 'Berg lock up a C bid with that win?  OWU on the outside looking in?

[pabegg]

Pabegg- Did 'Berg lock up a C bid with that win?  OWU on the outside looking in?

I think so. It means that they will not be caught by Behrend or Albion unless those schools win their tournaments and skip off to Pool A. Since Hope or Wooster would be early Pool C selections if they lose again, Heidelberg will be on the board very early with very good numbers.

Ohio Wesleyan falls farther away from making Pool C as teams like Heidelberg and Albion (and their equivalents around the country) win games. They're just not going to be able to pass people at this rate.

[pabegg]

Pool C update for Wednesday night

Tonight it looks like we said goodbye to Albright. None of the other losers had a Pool C chance.

Widener, Hope, Capital, Stevens Point, Heidelberg and Whitewater are now in the tournament. We also know that the WIAC Pool A bid will go to Stevens Point or Whitewater while the other will get a very early Pool C bid.

Albion remains on the good side of the bubble with their win.
DeSales and Ohio Wesleyan keep alive faint Pool C chances

Current Pool C contenders (no games left to play)

Bates
UW-Platteville

[sciacguru]

Pool C update for Wednesday night

We also know that the WIAC Pool A bid will go to Stevens Point or Whitewater while the other will get a very early Pool C bid.

For Cal Lutheran's continued chance at a Pool C (if AQ doesnt work out), I think they are siliently cheering for Point to run the table.  Both UWSP and UWWW are in regardless, but CLU will take all the help possible.

[pabegg]

Pool C update for Wednesday night

We also know that the WIAC Pool A bid will go to Stevens Point or Whitewater while the other will get a very early Pool C bid.

For Cal Lutheran's continued chance at a Pool C (if AQ doesnt work out), I think they are siliently cheering for Point to run the table.  Both UWSP and UWWW are in regardless, but CLU will take all the help possible.

After tonight, their cheering is probably best directed elsewhere. Either UW school gets in ahead of them as a Pool C, so they really don't care who wins the WIAC. Better rooting options in the west would be Buena Vista or St. Thomas.

[pg04]

pabegg--In your opinion what does Brockport St. got to do to get Pool C bid if they dont get AQ by winning SUNY tourney? I thought getting to finals with Plattsburgh would do it, am I right?

Yes, I would like some analysis on this as well... Unfortunately I haven't followed this as closely as I usually do but does Brockport State have to win the SUNYAC to get in? 

[Ralph Turner]

pabegg--In your opinion what does Brockport St. got to do to get Pool C bid if they dont get AQ by winning SUNY tourney? I thought getting to finals with Plattsburgh would do it, am I right?

Yes, I would like some analysis on this as well... Unfortunately I haven't followed this as closely as I usually do but does Brockport State have to win the SUNYAC to get in? 

Practically speaking, yes.  I think that 13th is too close to the bubble.  That is five spots into the bubble.  Rochester is the first C off the table from the East Region at this minute.