Pool C

[Knightstalker]

William Paterson and Stockton advance to meet on Saturday for the NJAC championship.  The loser still has a shot at a Pool C bid, slim but a shot.

[SLP-O-8]

BV won 91-86 and Loras won 82-64 i believe to set up a huge game saturday night in Storm Lake.

[pabegg]

Pool C's night is over, with one upset as Webster goes down to Maryville MO. Despite an unbeaten conference regular season, it looks like six losses is just too much for at at-large bid out of such a weak conference.

St. Thomas is now in.
The Iowa runner-up (Buena Vista or Loras) is about 99% certain; I still have a nagging doubt about the possibility that they lose out.
The NJAC will have its top two teams in the final; the loser will be in contention (and likely the first Atlantic team on the board), but still not guaranteed a spot.

Emerson and Farmingdale have kept alive their slim Pool C chances, and moved one win away from the Pool A bid.

It's a good night for the bubble teams.

[Greek Tragedy]

William Paterson and Stockton advance to meet on Saturday for the NJAC championship.  The loser still has a shot at a Pool C bid, slim but a shot.

The Iowa runner-up (Buena Vista or Loras) is about 99% certain; I still have a nagging doubt about the possibility that they lose out.

I find it interesting that the loser of the William Paterson/Richard Stockton game that pits the top two teams in the Atlantic region has a "slimmer" chance of getting a Pool C bid than Loras, who is 8th in the West Region.  They will have at least one WIAC and one SCIAC ahead of them in the pecking order.

Of course, I thought Platteville would move up too.  So, what do I know?!

[Knightstalker]

I know every season is different, but there have been better NJAC runner up teams in previous years that haven't gotten a Pool C bid.

[Greek Tragedy]

I know every season is different, but there have been better NJAC runner up teams in previous years that haven't gotten a Pool C bid.

In terms of their regional ranking?  I mean #1 plays #2 in the region...and #3 plays #5 with #4 already losing.  I would think the loser of #1 v #2 wouldn't drop too far down their own region, let alone the overall rankings.

[with age comes?]

pabegg- do you think that Vassar has a ghost of a chance for a pool c bid if they lose to St Law in the liberty league championship and b-ports gets beat in the semi's of the sunyac of getting a pool c or does the weak non-conference schedule doom them unless they win the tournament?  Noticed they did not make your list of potential replacements in the east..

[fcnews]

Pool C update for Wednesday morning

Last night York PA said goodbye. None of the other losers last night had any chance at Pool C.

Occidental locked down their Pool C bid if they don't win the conference tournament, and Cal Lutheran guaranteed that they will be a Pool C contender if they don't. Webster kept their slim Pool C chances alive (probably a moot point, since they are perhaps the most prohibitive favorite in any conference tournament this weekend).

The SLIAC #1 seed has not won the conference tourney since 1994.

[sac]

Pool C update for Wednesday morning

Last night York PA said goodbye. None of the other losers last night had any chance at Pool C.

Occidental locked down their Pool C bid if they don't win the conference tournament, and Cal Lutheran guaranteed that they will be a Pool C contender if they don't. Webster kept their slim Pool C chances alive (probably a moot point, since they are perhaps the most prohibitive favorite in any conference tournament this weekend).

The SLIAC #1 seed has not won the conference tourney since 1994.

......and I was thinking 4 straight years in the MIAA was long.

[pabegg]

pabegg- do you think that Vassar has a ghost of a chance for a pool c bid if they lose to St Law in the liberty league championship and b-ports gets beat in the semi's of the sunyac of getting a pool c or does the weak non-conference schedule doom them unless they win the tournament?  Noticed they did not make your list of potential replacements in the east..

No chance.

Their strength of schedule absolutely kills them. It's worse than any serious Pool C competitor. The next worst is Emerson, who has two fewer losses and would be 50-50 if they lose their final.

On that schedule, Vassar would need three fewer losses to get in.

[pabegg]

William Paterson and Stockton advance to meet on Saturday for the NJAC championship.  The loser still has a shot at a Pool C bid, slim but a shot.

The Iowa runner-up (Buena Vista or Loras) is about 99% certain; I still have a nagging doubt about the possibility that they lose out.

I find it interesting that the loser of the William Paterson/Richard Stockton game that pits the top two teams in the Atlantic region has a "slimmer" chance of getting a Pool C bid than Loras, who is 8th in the West Region.  They will have at least one WIAC and one SCIAC ahead of them in the pecking order.

Of course, I thought Platteville would move up too.  So, what do I know?!

It's a reminder of the national nature of the tournament. Based on the ranking system, all four West conferences are "better" than the NJAC. So why should the NJAC benefit by being in a weaker area?

Loras and BV also did better with their conference schedule, with a combined 5 losses over 32 games versus 6 over 26 for Stockton and Paterson. So they separated themselves from the league pack a little more. After all, we're not talking about a bid for the MIAC, where the second place team lost 6 conference games.

Heck, the Platteville versus Paterson argument could be very relevant come Sunday if Stockton wins the NJAC. With the lack of upsets, that could be the discussion for C spot #17.

[BJ - DSU SID]

PaBegg,

What's your opinion on DeSales (Mid-Atlantic) pool "C" chances?

[pabegg]

PaBegg,

What's your opinion on DeSales (Mid-Atlantic) pool "C" chances?

Not good. They probably pass York in the regional rankings to sit at #4. Assuming Widener and either Ursinus or Gettysburg get the Pool A bids, they'll be second in Pool C consideration for the Mid-Atlantic. The Centennial runner-up will go early, leaving DeSales as the Mid-Atlantic team under consideration for a long time.

Their OWP is just not good, comparable to Albion and Farmingdale. Their only ranked opponent is Albright (who may fall out after their loss).

They needed some of the teams ahead of them to lose this week, as so far it hasn't been there.

[BJ - DSU SID]

Thanks...hopefully we don't have to worry about a possible "C" bid and we get the "A", but I just wanted to see your thoughts before things get crazy tomorrow.

Enjoy the weekend's action.

[SLP-O-8]

William Paterson and Stockton advance to meet on Saturday for the NJAC championship.  The loser still has a shot at a Pool C bid, slim but a shot.

The Iowa runner-up (Buena Vista or Loras) is about 99% certain; I still have a nagging doubt about the possibility that they lose out.

I find it interesting that the loser of the William Paterson/Richard Stockton game that pits the top two teams in the Atlantic region has a "slimmer" chance of getting a Pool C bid than Loras, who is 8th in the West Region.  They will have at least one WIAC and one SCIAC ahead of them in the pecking order.

Of course, I thought Platteville would move up too.  So, what do I know?!

It's a reminder of the national nature of the tournament. Based on the ranking system, all four West conferences are "better" than the NJAC. So why should the NJAC benefit by being in a weaker area?

Loras and BV also did better with their conference schedule, with a combined 5 losses over 32 games versus 6 over 26 for Stockton and Paterson. So they separated themselves from the league pack a little more. After all, we're not talking about a bid for the MIAC, where the second place team lost 6 conference games.

Heck, the Platteville versus Paterson argument could be very relevant come Sunday if Stockton wins the NJAC. With the lack of upsets, that could be the discussion for C spot #17.

Hopefully both teams get in because they both are very tough teams to deal with.  I dont suppose it hurts having the NCAA committee chairman being from your conference either.  Im sure he has seen both teams play plenty this year and will take that into consideration