Pool C

[Just Bill]

That's ONE. How about Augie?

Augustana certainly should be considered, as well as Plattsburgh, Amherst, UW-Whitewater, Centre, and Hope. Guilford, if they win today might get into the mix. But the top 4 right now should be, Hope, Whitewater, Plattsburgh, and Augustana, because of their runs to their conference championships. You should be rewarded for that. At least that's usually what happens in Div. I.

This is Division III, not Division I. It doesn't work that way here. In D3, the five primary criteria are applied, a final set of regional rankings are created, and then the bracket is seeded according to how those regional rankings play out (with such additional considerations as geography and seating capacity thrown in as well). At least three of the four top seeds in each of the four sections of the bracket will get a bye, and possibly all four will get them if a second bye isn't needed for the geographic orphans on the West Coast and in the Mid-South.

This "run to the conference championship" stuff doesn't enter into it at all, because that's not one of the five primary criteria.

Well, performance in the last 25% of a team's schedule IS in the secondary criteria, so that's kind of like what he's talking about, but it's hard to know how often that really comes into consideration.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Something to consider in terms of the primary criterion of 'record against ranked teams' - alas, we don't see the final rankings, but some guess can be made.  F'rinstance, IWU (which fell out last week) will almost certainly be back.  Not enough to help themselves, probably, but it gives an extra win each to WashU (which won't need it) and to Oxy (which might).  (For seeding purposes, it also gives THREE more wins to Augie, though if Elmhurst drops out, there goes the gain.)

What other ins or outs would people expect in terms of regional rankings?

[scottiedawg]

As far as teams that are candidates for a geographically isolated bye, I only see Mary Hardin Baylor, Lawrence, and Millsaps as possibilities.  Thoughts?

[sac]

Well, performance in the last 25% of a team's schedule IS in the secondary criteria, so that's kind of like what he's talking about, but it's hard to know how often that really comes into consideration.

Read the fine print, only if the committee seeks persmission from the national committee......my assumption would be this only comes up in the event of ties.

[sac]

As far as teams that are candidates for a geographically isolated bye, I only see Mary Hardin Baylor, Lawrence, and Millsaps as possibilities.  Thoughts?

I would say that's probably accurate, though I'm unsure of Lawrence, you could put Aurora, Chicago and Steven Point there pretty easily.  They've used the bye up in Minnesota a couple times in recent years, I'd say thats a good bet as well.  I'm kind of likeing Hope to get a bye, but there seems to be plenty of teams to get to Holland rather easily.

Between Whitewater/Augustana/Lawrence I have a hunch only 2 of those will be hosting.

[Ralph Turner]

As far as teams that are candidates for a geographically isolated bye, I only see Mary Hardin Baylor, Lawrence, and Millsaps as possibilities.  Thoughts?

Millsaps can be bused to UMHB.

Maryville MO Fontbonne College in St Louis can be bused to Millsaps (497 miles).

Maryville TN can be bused to Millsaps.

However, UMHB can ascend to #1 in the South with the Centre loss.

Does Chapman play PP and then the winner go to Belton (UMHB)?

Here is my off-the-wall southwestern bracket...

Millsaps hosts as a #2 for geographic proximity sake and plays #3 Maryville TN
UMHB plays #4 Maryville MO.

My bad!  Thanks!

[sac]

As far as teams that are candidates for a geographically isolated bye, I only see Mary Hardin Baylor, Lawrence, and Millsaps as possibilities.  Thoughts?

Millsaps can be bused to UMHB.

Maryville MO can be bused to Millsaps.

Marville TN can be bused to Millsaps.

However, UMHB can ascend to #1 in the South with the Centre loss.

Does Chapman play PP and then the winner go to Belton (UMHB)?

What about Whitworth?

[Ralph Turner]

As far as teams that are candidates for a geographically isolated bye, I only see Mary Hardin Baylor, Lawrence, and Millsaps as possibilities.  Thoughts?

Millsaps can be bused to UMHB.

Maryville MO can be bused to Millsaps.

Marville TN can be bused to Millsaps.

However, UMHB can ascend to #1 in the South with the Centre loss.

Does Chapman play PP and then the winner go to Belton (UMHB)?

What about Whitworth?

Use an away home bye 3-pod for the west coast teams.

[Just Bill]

As far as teams that are candidates for a geographically isolated bye, I only see Mary Hardin Baylor, Lawrence, and Millsaps as possibilities.  Thoughts?

How is Lawrence geographically isolated?  UWSP, UWW, Aurora and Chicago are all easy trips.

[hickory_cornhusker]

As far as teams that are candidates for a geographically isolated bye, I only see Mary Hardin Baylor, Lawrence, and Millsaps as possibilities.  Thoughts?

Millsaps can be bused to UMHB.

Maryville MO can be bused to Millsaps.

Marville TN can be bused to Millsaps.

However, UMHB can ascend to #1 in the South with the Centre loss.

Does Chapman play PP and then the winner go to Belton (UMHB)?

What about Whitworth?

Use an away home bye 3-pod for the west coast teams.

I think Occidental will get in and you could have a 4 team west coast pod. Only one flight needed. Only problem is that Whitworth is probably the most deserving to host out of those 4 teams and that will require 3 flights.

[Gregory Sager]

As far as teams that are candidates for a geographically isolated bye, I only see Mary Hardin Baylor, Lawrence, and Millsaps as possibilities.  Thoughts?

How is Lawrence geographically isolated?  UWSP, UWW, Aurora and Chicago are all easy trips.

Perhaps by "geographically isolated" scottiedawg was thinking more in terms of depth of snow than of number of miles.

[Just Bill]

Well, performance in the last 25% of a team's schedule IS in the secondary criteria, so that's kind of like what he's talking about, but it's hard to know how often that really comes into consideration.

Read the fine print, only if the committee seeks persmission from the national committee......my assumption would be this only comes up in the event of ties.

The entire secondary criteria is only used in the case of a tie.  I don't get your point.

My point was performance at the end of the season is in the criteria, although its the secondary criteria and, without being on the committee, it's hard to know how often its really used.  I would guess rarely.

[sac]

Well, performance in the last 25% of a team's schedule IS in the secondary criteria, so that's kind of like what he's talking about, but it's hard to know how often that really comes into consideration.

Read the fine print, only if the committee seeks persmission from the national committee......my assumption would be this only comes up in the event of ties.

The entire secondary criteria is only used in the case of a tie.  I don't get your point.

My point was performance at the end of the season is in the criteria, although its the secondary criteria and, without being on the committee, it's hard to know how often its really used.  I would guess rarely.

Exactly, to break ties that can't be broken with secondary criteria.

[Ralph Turner]

As far as teams that are candidates for a geographically isolated bye, I only see Mary Hardin Baylor, Lawrence, and Millsaps as possibilities.  Thoughts?

Millsaps can be bused to UMHB.

Maryville MO can be bused to Millsaps.

Marville TN can be bused to Millsaps.

However, UMHB can ascend to #1 in the South with the Centre loss.

Does Chapman play PP and then the winner go to Belton (UMHB)?

What about Whitworth?

Use an away home bye 3-pod for the west coast teams.

I think Occidental will get in and you could have a 4 team west coast pod. Only one flight needed. Only problem is that Whitworth is probably the most deserving to host out of those 4 teams and that will require 3 flights.

In that case, fly Whitworth the midwest.  One flight!

[ILive4This]

With Amherst and UMD losing in their tournaments, any chance Brandeis Men host games in the tournament?