Pool C

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

There are only 9 teams in the 11-20 section.  I just wanted to warn people, before they start doing all their numbers and edits for posts, etc.

[Pat Coleman]

#20 New York University     10.333     17-4

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I think I got this right.  The top 18 not leading a conference currently. (Number 19 is Williams, if anyone was curious).

1-10
Amherst     12.091     21-1
Lawrence    11.444    18-0
Trinity (Texas)    11.188    14-2
Worcester Polytech    11.143    18-3
Mississippi College    10.950    19-1
Carnegie Mellon    10.938    13-3
York (Pa.)    10.905    19-2
Cortland State    10.900    19-1
Occidental    10.833    11-1
St. John Fisher    10.789    18-1
               
11-20
Wooster    10.737    18-1
Augustana    10.700    18-2
Tufts    10.682    18-4
Wittenberg    10.667    16-2
Lincoln    10.563    12-4 (Pool B lock)
Virginia Wesleyan    10.522    20-3
Illinois Wesleyan    10.471    13-4
Transylvania    10.364    18-4
Baldwin-Wallace    10.333    19-2

21-30
Hope    10.267    13-2
Carroll    10.263    17-2
Gordon    10.250    18-2
William Paterson    10.238    15-6
UW-La Crosse    10.227    17-5
Calvin    10.200    9-1
Baruch    10.190    19-2
New Jersey    10.158    14-5
Randolph-Macon    10.143    16-5
Trinity (Conn.)    10.111    14-4

31-40
Rochester    10.056    13-5
Bates    10.050    15-5
Widener    10.048    18-3
St. Thomas    10.045    17-5
Carleton    10.000    15-4
Howard Payne    9.950    15-5
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.947    15-4
Washington U.    9.875    11-5
Ursinus    9.857    17-4
Wartburg    9.842    16-3

41-50
Albion    9.833    10-2
Puget Sound    9.800    13-2
Lakeland    9.800    16-4
Fisk    9.769    9-4 (Pool B)
Westfield State    9.762    14-7
UW-Stout    9.737    15-4
Johns Hopkins    9.684    15-4
Alvernia    9.667    18-3
Keene State    9.650    14-6
Christopher Newport    9.636    9-2

51-60
UW-Whitewater    9.611    13-5
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.600    14-6 (Pool B)
Whitworth    9.600    15-5

[dballa]

Actually Hoops Fan, Howard Payne leads the ASC West by a half game(Depending on what happens with their game against Sul Ross St tonight).  So I guess that would put Williams in your top 18.

[sac]

You have Hope crossed out and Calvin highlighted.......that should be reversed.

[Ralph Turner]

I think I got this right.  The top 18 not leading a conference currently. (Number 19 is Williams, if anyone was curious).

1-10
Amherst     12.091     21-1
Lawrence    11.444    18-0
Trinity (Texas)    11.188    14-2
Worcester Polytech    11.143    18-3
Mississippi College    10.950    19-1  ASC-East Division
Carnegie Mellon    10.938    13-3
York (Pa.)    10.905    19-2
Cortland State    10.900    19-1
Occidental    10.833    11-1
St. John Fisher    10.789    18-1
               
11-20
Wooster    10.737    18-1
Augustana    10.700    18-2
Tufts    10.682    18-4
Wittenberg    10.667    16-2
Lincoln    10.563    12-4 (Pool B lock)
Virginia Wesleyan    10.522    20-3
Illinois Wesleyan    10.471    13-4
Transylvania    10.364    18-4
Baldwin-Wallace    10.333    19-2
#20  New York University     10.333     17-4

21-30
Hope    10.267    13-2                      per sac
Carroll    10.263    17-2
Gordon    10.250    18-2
William Paterson    10.238    15-6
UW-La Crosse    10.227    17-5
Calvin    10.200    9-1                           per sac
Baruch    10.190    19-2
New Jersey    10.158    14-5
Randolph-Macon    10.143    16-5
Trinity (Conn.)    10.111    14-4

31-40
Rochester    10.056    13-5
Bates    10.050    15-5
Widener    10.048    18-3
St. Thomas    10.045    17-5
Carleton    10.000    15-4
Howard Payne    9.950    15-5 ASC-West Division
SUNY-Farmingdale    9.947    15-4
Washington U.    9.875    11-5
Ursinus    9.857    17-4
Wartburg    9.842    16-3

41-50
Albion    9.833    10-2
Puget Sound    9.800    13-2
Lakeland    9.800    16-4
Fisk    9.769    9-4 (Pool B)
Westfield State    9.762    14-7
UW-Stout    9.737    15-4
Johns Hopkins    9.684    15-4
Alvernia    9.667    18-3
Keene State    9.650    14-6
Christopher Newport    9.636    9-2

51-60
UW-Whitewater    9.611    13-5
Maryville (Tenn.)    9.600    14-6 (Pool B)
Whitworth    9.600    15-5

[Greek Tragedy]

You also have La Crosse crossed out.  Whitewater (11-3)leads the conference.  Stout (11-4) is a half game back, followed by Point (10-4) and then La Crosse at 9-5, with Oshkosh.

[Ralph Turner]

You also have La Crosse crossed out.  Whitewater (11-3)leads the conference.  Stout (11-4) is a half game back, followed by Point (10-4) and then La Crosse at 9-5, with Oshkosh.

Oh c'mon Old school!  The lead for the WIAC will change 4 times on the night of Feb 15th alone!   

Besides, we outsiders are just waiting for UW-duJour to claim the AQ and then allocate one other Pool C and move on.   

[Ralph Turner]

Howard Payne lost at Sul Ross State tongiht and falls back into a tie with McMurry in the ASC-West.

With respect to the ASC, we have 2 more sets of game, all 16 teams, playing on Thursday and Saturday.

That will set up the 8-team tourney which is hosted on the West this year.

[diehardfan]

Interesting... SOSI wise, if Elmhurst wins their last two regular season games, they actually have an ouside shot at a Pool C even with a loss in the tourney. Their regional win % will probably knock them out of contention though, right?

[Ralph Turner]

diehardfan, Elmhurst has some vulnerability as some of their in-region opponents drop an "increment" in the QOWI.

But Elmhurst is 5-2 in the Midwest Region.

The CCIW used the QOWI to its advantage.  I am listing the in-region non-conference record for each CCIW team and the impact it has on the QOWI increment*.

Augie is     8-0  (no change in QOWI increment over in-conference.)
IWU          5-0   (no change)
Elmhurst   5-2   no change
NCC          5-0   +1 increment in QOWI (from >.500 to >.665)
Wheaton   3-4  no change
Carthage   3-3  no change
Millikin        5-2  +1 increment in QOWI (from >.332 to >.500
NPU           1-7  no change

Moving up a QOWI increment meant that every decision with NCC and Millikin was worth 2 more QOWI points.  In a double round-robin (14-game) conference season, that adds 8 points to the numerator or 0.57 points to the QOWI Index for each team.

(*For lack of a specific term, let us divided the QOWI point allocation to 4 increments:  >.665, >.499, >.332, <.333.)

[Ralph Turner]

I am going to assume that the Conference team with the highest in-region ranking listed in the Feb 8th Regional rankings will be the Pool A.

Twenty-two teams remain after we strike the "Pool A's".  We can use this information in conjunction with Hoops Fan's compilation of Pool C's by QOWI.  (Corrections appreciated.)

Atlantic
1. Baruch 18-1 20-3  CUNYAC
2. William Paterson 14-5 15-6  NJAC
3. New Jersey 12-5 14-5   NJAC
4. SUNY-Farmingdale 12-4 15-4  Skyline
5. Mount St. Mary 15-4 18-4  Skyline

East
1. Cortland State 18-1 19-2  SUNYAC
2. St. John Fisher 14-1 16-3  E8
3. New York University 16-3 17-3  UAA  (CMU leads)
4. Hamilton 13-3 17-3  LL
5. Rochester 11-5 14-6  UAA

Great Lakes
1. Wooster 16-1 20-1  NCAC
2. Hope 13-1 19-1 MIAA 
3. Carnegie Mellon 13-2 17-3   UAA
4. Baldwin-Wallace 16-2 18-2  OAC
5. Wittenberg 14-2 19-2  NCAC
6. Calvin 7-1 16-5  MIAA  (Remember that Tri-State is Provisional)

Mid-Atlantic
1. York (Pa.) 16-2 18-2  CAC
2. Widener 16-3 17-3  MACC
3. Ursinus 15-3 16-5  CC
4. Lincoln 11-4 19-4  Indep Pool B
T5. Alvernia 14-3 17-4   PnAC
T5. Johns Hopkins 14-3 16-4   CC
7. Catholic 13-4 15-5   CAC
8. Messiah 13-5 14-7   MACC

Midwest
1. Lawrence 17-0 19-0  MWC
2. Augustana 18-0 19-1  CCIW
3. Transylvania 17-3 18-3  HCAC
T4. Carroll 16-2 18-2  MWC
T4. Illinois Wesleyan 11-3 17-3  CCIW
6 Lakeland 14-3 18-5  LMC
7. North Central 10-4 16-4  CCIW
8. Washington U. 10-5 13-7  UAA

Northeast
1. Amherst 19-1 20-2  NESCAC
2. Worcester Polytechnic 18-1 19-1  NEWMAC
3. Tufts 16-3 17-4  NESCAC
4. Gordon 16-2 17-3  CCC-N
5. Bates 14-3 18-3  NESCAC
6. Williams 16-5 17-5  NESCAC
7. Trinity (Conn.) 13-3 16-4   NESCAC
8. Salem State 14-5 14-6   MASCAC
9. Norwich 12-3 12-5  GNAC
10. Keene State 11-6 14-6  LEC

South
1. Mississippi College 17-1 19-1  ASC-E
2. Trinity (Texas) 12-2 16-5   SCAC
3. Virginia Wesleyan 18-3 19-3  ODAC
4. Fisk 9-2 14-7  GSAC   Pool B
5. Howard Payne 15-3 16-3   ASC-W
6. Randolph-Macon 14-5 17-5  ODAC
7. Southwestern 12-4 16-5  SCAC 
8. Maryville (Tenn.) 13-5 17-5  GSAC  Pool B

West
1. Occidental 9-1 16-2  SCIAC
2. Puget Sound 12-1 17-3  NWC
3. UW-Stout 14-3 17-4  WIAC
4. UW-La Crosse 15-5 17-5  WIAC
5. Wartburg 15-3 17-4  IIAC
6. Willamette 15-3 14-6  NWC
7. Carleton 12-4 15-5  MIAC
8. UW-Whitewater 11-5 15-5  WIAC

I believe that every "Pool C" team, except the UAA's,  is from a conference with a Post-season tourney, so everyone of these teams will sustain another loss.  (Remember, I have already allocated each conference's  Pool A.)

[Pat Coleman]

One we should keep an eye on is the SCIAC. With no postseason tourney, if Occidental loses at CMS (which I and SCIAC fans would say is a better than average possibility) and CMS wins out, CMS would win the automatic bid and Oxy would be a near-lock in Pool C.

[Greek Tragedy]

Interesting... SOSI wise, if Elmhurst wins their last two regular season games, they actually have an ouside shot at a Pool C even with a loss in the tourney. Their regional win % will probably knock them out of contention though, right?

Wouldn't that give Elmhurst EIGHT losses?  I don't think many teams with SIX losses are going to get in!

[Gregory Sager]

Interesting... SOSI wise, if Elmhurst wins their last two regular season games, they actually have an ouside shot at a Pool C even with a loss in the tourney. Their regional win % will probably knock them out of contention though, right?

Wouldn't that give Elmhurst EIGHT losses?  I don't think many teams with SIX losses are going to get in!

No, that'd give them seven.