Pool C

[Ralph Turner]

Looks good except Guilford isn't the ODAC #1 seed, Eastern Mennonite is... but I think both of them are in anyway, so it's moot.

Revised...

(In order of Knightslappy's national ranking)

1. Williams (1)   NE
2. William Paterson (3)   Atl
3. St. Thomas (4)  W
4. Whitworth (7)    W
5. UW-Whitewater (8) - OK if Stevens Point wins the A since they are a lock C  W
6. Eastern Mennonite (9) - OK if Guilford of Va. Wesleyan wins the A since both are C locks anyway  S
7. MIT (11)  NE
8. Carthage (13)   MW
9. Central (14)      W
10. Cabrini (15)     MA
11. St. Mary's (16)     MA
12. Texas-Dallas (17)    S
13. St. John Fisher (19)     E
14. St. Norbert (21)           MW
15. Wooster (22)       GL

Titan, I have taken your ranking and placed them on the table, region by region, round by round.

[augie_superfan]

Q,

The two teams that jump out to me on that list are Cabrini and Central.  They both have very nice in-region records but have pretty weak SOS.  Also, I know we are just going by KnightSlappy's rankings which are a good estimate but Cabrini was 5th in region last week.  They both may be locks if they make their tourney final and play well.

At this time last year, everyone was counting St. Marys (MD) as a lock and we saw their 20-3 record failed to hold up after getting upset in their conference tourney.  Buena Vista also had a similar fate last year.

[Titan Q]

Q,

The two teams that jump out to me on that list are Cabrini and Central.  They both have very nice in-region records but have pretty weak SOS.  Also, I know we are just going by KnightSlappy's rankings which are a good estimate but Cabrini was 5th in region last week.  They both may be locks if they make their tourney final and play well.

At this time last year, everyone was counting St. Marys (MD) as a lock and we saw their 20-3 record failed to hold up after getting upset in their conference tourney.  Buena Vista also had a similar fate last year.

I struggled with those two.  You could be right, Augie...who knows.

[Pat Coleman]

Looks good except Guilford isn't the ODAC #1 seed, Eastern Mennonite is... but I think both of them are in anyway, so it's moot.

Revised...

(In order of Knightslappy's national ranking)

1. Williams (1) - OK if Middlebury wins the A...they are a lock C
2. William Paterson (3)
3. St. Thomas (4)
4. Whitworth (7)
5. UW-Whitewater (8) - OK if Stevens Point wins the A since they are a lock C
6. Eastern Mennonite (9) - OK if Guilford of Va. Wesleyan wins the A since both are C locks anyway
7. MIT (11)
8. Carthage (13)
9. Central (14)
10. Cabrini (15)
11. St. Mary's (16)
12. Texas-Dallas (17)
13. St. John Fisher (19)
14. St. Norbert (21)
15. Wooster (22)

I'm not sure that there can be 15 mortal locks.

The list I ... admittedly ad hoc'ed ... on the show Sunday night went down to the first nine but not any deeper.

[Titan Q]

I'm not sure that there can be 15 mortal locks.

Yes, "mortal locks" is probably too strong a term for some of those teams.

In any event, it's a list of "bubble bursters"...the teams the Pool C hopefuls needs to root for.

[Hugenerd]

There is a link to the final region rankings at:

MIT Basketball Blog

it is also now on the front page at:

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/24/2010-regional-ranking-week-4/

[John Gleich]

I also posted the rankings in the D3hoops blog LINK

[Greek Tragedy]

Men's rankings BOLD is conference leaders Purple are Pool C candidates Atlantic Region 1.(1) William Paterson 22-2 23-2 (NJAC) BEAT Ramapo in NJAC semis; plays Richard Stockton in NJAC Final on Saturday 2.(2) Merchant Marine 20-4 21-4 (LAND) BEAT Susquehanna in Landmark semis; plays Scranton in Landmark Final on Saturday 3.(3) Rutgers-Newark  16-5 20-6 (NJAC) LOST to Richard Stockton in NJAC semis 4.(5) Richard Stockton 19-5 19-6 (NJAC) BEAT Rutgers-Newark in NJAC semis; plays William Paterson in NJAC Final on Saturday 5.(4) Ramapo 17-7 18-8 (NJAC) LOST to William Paterson in NJAC semis; Previously ranked:  York (N.Y.) (CUNYAC) East Region 1.(1) St. John Fisher 20-4 21-4 (Empire 8); plays Stevens in Empire 8 semis on Friday 2.(6) Plattsburgh State 17-6 18-7 (SUNYAC) tied with Oneonta State; BEAT New Paltz State in SUNYAC quarterfinals; plays Brockport State in SUNYAC semis on Friday 3.(3) Oneonta State 19-5 20-5 (SUNYAC) tied with Plattsburgh State; BEAT Oswego State in SUNYAC quarterfinals; plays Cortland State in SUNYAC semis on Friday 4.(NA) Ithaca 15-6 18-7 (Empire 8)  plays Nazareth in Empire 8 semis on Friday   5.(2) Medaille 20-4 21-4 (AMCC); plays Frostburg State in AMCC semis on Friday 6.(5) New York University 15-8 16-8 (UAA); plays at Brandeis on Saturday Dropping out:  Stevens (Empire 8) Previously ranked:  Nazareth (Empire 8), Rochester (UAA) Great Lakes Region 1.(2) John Carroll 17-5 19-5 (OAC); BEAT Marietta in OAC quarterfinals; plays Heidelberg in OAC semis on Friday. 2.(3) Wooster 20-4 20-5 (NCAC); BEAT Kenyon in NCAC quarterfinals; plays Ohio Wesleyan in NCAC semis on Friday. 3.(1) Hope 13-3 18-7 (MIAA); BEAT Trine in MIAA quarterfinals; plays Adrian in MIAA semis on Friday. 4.(4) Calvin 13-3 17-8 (MIAA); BEAT Alma in MIAA quarterfinals; plays Olivet in MIAA semis on Friday. 5.(6) Thomas More 19-6 19-6 (PrAC) tied with Grove City; BEAT Waynesburg in PrAC quarterfinals; plays Bethany in PrAC semis on Thursday. 6.(NA) Wilmington 17-6 18-7 (OAC); BEAT Mount Union in OAC quarterfinals; plays Capital in OAC semis on Friday. Dropping out:  Wittenberg (NCAC) Middle Atlantic Region 1.(4) St. Mary's (Md.) 20-3 22-3 (CAC); plays Marymount in CAC semis on Thursday. 2.(1) Albright 18-5 19-5 (MACC) tied with Lycoming; BEAT Messiah in MACC semis; plays Lycoming in MACC Final on Saturday 3.(2) Franklin and Marshall 21-4 21-4 (Centennial); plays Muhlenberg in Centennial semis on Saturday 4.(5) Cabrini 23-2 23-2 (CSAC); BEAT Immaculata in CSAC semis; plays Neumann in CSAC Final on Saturday 5.(3) Lycoming 16-5 20-5 (MACC) tied with Albright; BEAT Elizabethtown in MACC semis; plays Albright in MACC Final on Saturday 6.(6) DeSales 19-4 20-5 (MACF); BEAT King's in MACF semis; plays Misericordia in MACF Final on Saturday 7.(8) Messiah 15-5 16-8 (MACC); LOST to Albright in MACC semis 8.(7) York (Pa.) 18-6 19-6 (CAC); plays Wesley in CAC semis on Thursday 9.(NA) Wesley 14-5 17-7 (CAC); BEAT Salisbury in CAC 1st round; plays York (Pa.) in CAC semis on Thursday Dropping out:  Catholic (LAND) Previously ranked:  Elizabethtown (MACC); Alvernia (MACC) Midwest Region 1.(1) Washington U. 19-2 22-2 (UAA); plays at Chicago on Saturday 2.(2) Carthage 16-3 20-5 (CCIW); plays Augustana in CCIW semis on Friday 3.(4) Wheaton (Ill.) 17-7 18-7 (CCIW); plays Illinois Wesleyan in CCIW semis on Friday 4.(5) Illinois Wesleyan 18-6 19-6 (CCIW); plays Wheaton in CCIW semis on Friday 5.(3) St. Norbert 19-3 20-3 (MWC); plays Ripon in MWC semis on Friday 6.(6) Anderson 19-4 21-4 (HCAC); plays Manchester in HCAC semis on Friday 7.(7) Defiance 18-5 20-5 (HCAC); BEAT Franklin in HCAC 1st round; plays Hanover in HCAC semis on Friday 8.(8) Augustana 16-8 16-9 (CCIW); plays Carthage in CCIW semis on Friday Northeast Region 1.(1) Williams 22-0 24-1 (NESCAC); plays Bates in NESCAC semis on Friday 2.(3) Middlebury 19-2 23-2 (NESCAC); plays Colby in NESCAC semis on Friday 3.(2) MIT 21-2 22-3 (NEWMAC); plays Clark in NEWMAC semis on Saturday 4.(5) Colby 17-4 19-5 (NESCAC); plays Middlebury in NESCAC semis on Friday 5.(4) Brandeis 18-6 18-6 (UAA); plays NYU on Saturday 6.(7) Rhode Island College 18-7 18-7 (LEC); plays Mass-Dartmouth in LEC semis on Friday 7.(6) Bridgewater State 16-5 17-7 (MASCAC); plays Worcester State in MASCAC semis on Thursday 8.(9) Gordon 20-4 21-4 (CCC); BEAT Endicott in CCC quarterfinals; plays Colby-Sawyer in CCC semis on Thursday 9.(11) Western Connecticut 17-6 18-6 (LEC); plays Eastern Connecticut in LEC semis on Friday 10.(10) WPI 17-6 18-6 (NEWMAC); BEAT Coast Guard in NEWMAC quarterfinals; plays Springfield in NEWMAC semis on Saturday 11.(8)Eastern Connecticut 17-8 17-8 (LEC); BEAT Keene State in LEC quarterfinals; plays Western Connecticut in LEC semis on Friday Previously ranked:  Mass-Dartmouth (LEC); Albertus Magnus (GNAC) South Region 1.(1) Eastern Mennonite 17-2 21-3 (ODAC) tied with Guilford; plays Bridgewater in ODAC quarterfinals on Friday 2.(2) Guilford 23-2 23-2 (ODAC) tied with Eastern Mennonite; plays Lynchburg in ODAC quarterfinals on Friday 3.(3) Texas-Dallas 20-3 21-4 (ASC-East); plays Sul Ross State in ASC quarterfinals on Friday 4.(4) Virginia Wesleyan 19-4 21-4 (ODAC); plays Washington and Lee in ODAC quarterfinals on Friday 5.(6) Randolph-Macon 14-5 20-5 (ODAC); plays Hampden-Sydney in ODAC quarterfinals on Friday 6.(7) Maryville (Tenn.) 14-3 21-4 (GSAC) Pool B; plays Huntingdon in GSAC semis on Friday 7.(5) Austin 19-6 19-6 (SCAC); plays Rhodes in SCAC quarterfinals on Friday 8.(8) Mary Hardin-Baylor 19-5 19-6 (ASC-West); plays Texas-Tyler in ASC quarterfinals on Friday Previously ranked:  Mississippi College (ASC-East) West Region 1.(1) UW-Whitewater 21-4 21-4 (WIAC); plays Superior in WIAC semis on Thursday 2.(3) St. Thomas 20-2 23-2 (MIAC); plays Carleton in MIAC semis on Thursday 3.(4) Whitworth 21-2 23-2 (NWC); plays Lewis and Clark in NWC semis on Thursday 4.(2) UW-Stevens Point 20-4 21-4 (WIAC); plays Stout in WIAC semis on Thursday 5.(5) Central 19-2 21-4 (IIAC); plays Dubuque in IIAC semis on Thursday 6.(7) Chapman 17-1 23-2 (Independent) Pool B 7.(9) La Crosse 16-7 17-8 (WIAC); LOST to Superior in WIAC quarterfinals 8.(6) Claremont–Mudd-Scripps 15-4 19-5 (SCIAC) 9.(8) Augsburg 17-7 18-7 (MIAC); BEAT St. John's in MIAC quarterfinals; plays Gustavus Adolphus in MIAC semis on Thursday

[magicman]

Old School,
In the East region you are showing Ithaca losing to Stevens. Actually Ithaca beat Stevens 76-63, but that game was played on Feb 19th and is already included in their regional record of 15-6. It was Ithaca's final game of the regular season and earned them the #2 seed in the Empire 8 tournament. Stevens beat Elmira 73-49 on Feb 23 in their final regular season game which gave them the 4th seed.

[Greek Tragedy]

Thats the game I looked at.  I thought Ithaca, but it was Elmira on the 23rd. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Just a reminder... we will get the actual FINAL regional rankings Sunday or Monday... so we know how teams lined up for selections and bracketing.

[KnightSlappy]

Just a reminder... we will get the actual FINAL regional rankings Sunday or Monday... so we know how teams lined up for selections and bracketing.

Are they going to re-bracket after Pat sends in the corrections? 

[Titan Q]

Next Games for the "Bubble Bursters"

Williams (NESCAC, Northeast) – Saturday, vs Bates

William Paterson (NJAC, Atlantic) – Saturday, vs Richard Stockton

St. Thomas (MIAC, West) – Thursday, vs Carleton

Whitworth (NWC, West) – Thursday, vs Lewis & Clark

UW-Whitewater (WIAC, West) – Thursday, vs UW-Superior

Eastern Mennonite (ODAC, South) – Friday, vs Bridgewater (*neutral court)

MIT (NEWMAC, Northeast) – Saturday, vs Clark

Carthage (CCIW, Midwest) – Friday, vs Augustana

Central (IIAC, West) – Thursday, vs Dubuque

Cabrini (CSAC, Mid-Atlantic) – Friday, vs Neumann

St. Mary's (CAC, Mid-Atlantic) – Thursday, vs Marymount

Texas-Dallas (ASC, South) – Friday, vs Sul Ross St

St. John Fisher (E8, East) – Friday, vs Stevens

St. Norbert (MWC, Midwest) – Friday, vs Ripon

Wooster (NCAC, Great Lakes) – Friday, vs Ohio Wesleyan


* only neutral court game I believe

[ziggy]

Next Games for the "Bubble Bursters"

Williams (NESCAC, Northeast) – Saturday, vs Bates

UW-Whitewater (WIAC, West) – Thursday, vs UW-Superior

I only view these as bubble bursters if Middlebury and UW-Stevens Point don't go on to win conference tournaments following a loss by either Williams or Whitewater

[Titan Q]

Next Games for the "Bubble Bursters"

Williams (NESCAC, Northeast) – Saturday, vs Bates

UW-Whitewater (WIAC, West) – Thursday, vs UW-Superior

I only view these as bubble bursters if Middlebury and UW-Stevens Point don't go on to win conference tournaments following a loss by either Williams or Whitewater

Absolutely agree.