Pool C

[KnightSlappy]

KnightSlappy or Pat,
Now that Plattsburgh St. and Oneonta St. are ranked #2 and #3 in the East behind St. John Fisher, what are the chances, assuming Fisher wins a Pool A bid and 1 of these 2 SUNYAC teams wins the Pool A bid that the other one, with 1 more loss, gets a Pool C bid? 

Pat's Pool C projection has them both in: http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/25/taking-a-whack-at-pool-c/

ziggy and I did our projection without the benefit of the NCAA's rankings (we had to predict the rankings) so we had Oneonta as the Pool A and Plattsburgh as one of the teams left on the table.

[magicman]

KnightSlappy or Pat,
Now that Plattsburgh St. and Oneonta St. are ranked #2 and #3 in the East behind St. John Fisher, what are the chances, assuming Fisher wins a Pool A bid and 1 of these 2 SUNYAC teams wins the Pool A bid that the other one, with 1 more loss, gets a Pool C bid? 

Pat's Pool C projection has them both in: http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/25/taking-a-whack-at-pool-c/

ziggy and I did our projection without the benefit of the NCAA's rankings (we had to predict the rankings) so we had Oneonta as the Pool A and Plattsburgh as one of the teams left on the table.

Thanks,
I didn't see that link on the front page. I also was looking at the bracket Ziggy and you did the other day on the mitten sports report. I thought you had Ithaca in the field but didn't see them included in the brackets you made out. Was that the case or did I miss something?

[Mr. Ypsi]

What I find as a really intriguing possibility - what if the 5, 6, 7, or 8 seed wins the ODAC?  EMU, Guilford, and Va Wes would be locks to give the ODAC four teams; could Randy Mac give them five?!  (I know four has happened before; would five from a single conference be unprecedented?)

[fritzdis]

(added John Carroll)


Next Games for the "Bubble Bursters"

Williams (NESCAC, Northeast) – Saturday, vs Bates

William Paterson (NJAC, Atlantic) – Saturday, vs Richard Stockton

St. Thomas (MIAC, West) – Thursday, vs Carleton

Whitworth (NWC, West) – Thursday, vs Lewis & Clark

UW-Whitewater (WIAC, West) – Thursday, vs UW-Superior

Eastern Mennonite (ODAC, South) – Friday, vs Bridgewater (*neutral court)

MIT (NEWMAC, Northeast) – Saturday, vs Clark

Carthage (CCIW, Midwest) – Friday, vs Augustana

Central (IIAC, West) – Thursday, vs Dubuque

Cabrini (CSAC, Mid-Atlantic) – Friday, vs Neumann

St. Mary's (CAC, Mid-Atlantic) – Thursday, vs Marymount

Texas-Dallas (ASC, South) – Friday, vs Sul Ross St

St. John Fisher (E8, East) – Friday, vs Stevens

St. Norbert (MWC, Midwest) – Friday, vs Ripon

Wooster (NCAC, Great Lakes) – Friday, vs Ohio Wesleyan

John Carroll (OAC, Great Lakes) - Friday, vs Heidelberg


* only neutral court game I believe

As a "bubble burster" list (as opposed to a "locks" list), I think Merchant Marine, Albright, and maybe Franklin & Marshall should be considered, as they were all high in the regional rankings and have similar numbers as some of the teams on the list.

(All of the below is as of Sunday)

Merchant Marine had the same WP as Wooster with a higher OWP and OOWP.  Being second in the region behind William Patterson (who would get a quick Pool C bid should they lose), MM should be on the table early if they lose.  The caveat is that Richard Stockton may have passed MM with their win over Rutgers-Newark.  If WP wins the NJAC, RS could well be the first to the table from the Atlantic.

Albright had a higher WP, OWP, and OOWP than John Carroll.  They were also 2nd in the region, but if St. Mary's loses, they won't be picked as fast as Patterson.  If St. Mary's wins their AQ, however, Albright would probably be 1st to the table from the Mid-Atlantic region.  As the "best" (based on the rankings) Pool C candidate from the MACC, I'd classify them as a potential bubble-burster, even though Lycoming is the #1 seed.

F&M has numbers pretty similar to St. Norbert, but they're ranked higher in their region, so F&M would be more likely to get to the table early (it's not clear who would be higher in the final ranking if F&M and Cabrini both lose).

[ziggy]

KnightSlappy or Pat,
Now that Plattsburgh St. and Oneonta St. are ranked #2 and #3 in the East behind St. John Fisher, what are the chances, assuming Fisher wins a Pool A bid and 1 of these 2 SUNYAC teams wins the Pool A bid that the other one, with 1 more loss, gets a Pool C bid?  

Pat's Pool C projection has them both in: http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/25/taking-a-whack-at-pool-c/

ziggy and I did our projection without the benefit of the NCAA's rankings (we had to predict the rankings) so we had Oneonta as the Pool A and Plattsburgh as one of the teams left on the table.

Thanks,
I didn't see that link on the front page. I also was looking at the bracket Ziggy and you did the other day on the mitten sports report. I thought you had Ithaca in the field but didn't see them included in the brackets you made out. Was that the case or did I miss something?

We put Ithaca in the St. John Fisher pod.

Our biggest, and really only significant, variance from our rankings at the time of our projection to the latest regional rankings was in regard to Plattsburgh State's placement. Their .7273 winning percentage didin't do much for us considering the .4754 SOS (ranked 271 nationally). Clearly the NCAA feels otherwise which is either a good thing for them or a bad thing for Pool C hopefuls out of the East.

[magicman]

KnightSlappy or Pat,
Now that Plattsburgh St. and Oneonta St. are ranked #2 and #3 in the East behind St. John Fisher, what are the chances, assuming Fisher wins a Pool A bid and 1 of these 2 SUNYAC teams wins the Pool A bid that the other one, with 1 more loss, gets a Pool C bid?  

Pat's Pool C projection has them both in: http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/25/taking-a-whack-at-pool-c/

ziggy and I did our projection without the benefit of the NCAA's rankings (we had to predict the rankings) so we had Oneonta as the Pool A and Plattsburgh as one of the teams left on the table.

Thanks,
I didn't see that link on the front page. I also was looking at the bracket Ziggy and you did the other day on the mitten sports report. I thought you had Ithaca in the field but didn't see them included in the brackets you made out. Was that the case or did I miss something?

We put Ithaca in the St. John Fisher pod.

Our biggest, and really only significant, variance from our rankings at the time of our projection to the latest regional rankings was in regard to Plattsburgh State's placement. Their .7273 winning percentage didin't do much for us considering the .4754 SOS (ranked 271 nationally). Clearly the NCAA feels otherwise which is either a good thing for them or a bad thing for Pool C hopefuls out of the East.

Ziggy,
I can't find the St John Fisher pod either, but I did find the Ramapo, Merchant Marine, Cabrini, and Rutgers-Newark pod listed in 2 places, near the top and at the bottom of the right hand side. Must be 2 other teams not listed as well. Thought I was going blind for a while there.

[ziggy]

KnightSlappy or Pat,
Now that Plattsburgh St. and Oneonta St. are ranked #2 and #3 in the East behind St. John Fisher, what are the chances, assuming Fisher wins a Pool A bid and 1 of these 2 SUNYAC teams wins the Pool A bid that the other one, with 1 more loss, gets a Pool C bid?  

Pat's Pool C projection has them both in: http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/25/taking-a-whack-at-pool-c/

ziggy and I did our projection without the benefit of the NCAA's rankings (we had to predict the rankings) so we had Oneonta as the Pool A and Plattsburgh as one of the teams left on the table.

Thanks,
I didn't see that link on the front page. I also was looking at the bracket Ziggy and you did the other day on the mitten sports report. I thought you had Ithaca in the field but didn't see them included in the brackets you made out. Was that the case or did I miss something?

We put Ithaca in the St. John Fisher pod.

Our biggest, and really only significant, variance from our rankings at the time of our projection to the latest regional rankings was in regard to Plattsburgh State's placement. Their .7273 winning percentage didin't do much for us considering the .4754 SOS (ranked 271 nationally). Clearly the NCAA feels otherwise which is either a good thing for them or a bad thing for Pool C hopefuls out of the East.

Ziggy,
I can't find the St John Fisher pod either, but I did find the Ramapo, Merchant Marine, Cabrini, and Rutgers-Newark pod listed in 2 places, near the top and at the bottom of the right hand side. Must be 2 other teams not listed as well. Thought I was going blind for a while there.

Its on there, it was updated.

[magicman]

KnightSlappy or Pat,
Now that Plattsburgh St. and Oneonta St. are ranked #2 and #3 in the East behind St. John Fisher, what are the chances, assuming Fisher wins a Pool A bid and 1 of these 2 SUNYAC teams wins the Pool A bid that the other one, with 1 more loss, gets a Pool C bid?  

Pat's Pool C projection has them both in: http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2010/02/25/taking-a-whack-at-pool-c/

ziggy and I did our projection without the benefit of the NCAA's rankings (we had to predict the rankings) so we had Oneonta as the Pool A and Plattsburgh as one of the teams left on the table.

Thanks,
I didn't see that link on the front page. I also was looking at the bracket Ziggy and you did the other day on the mitten sports report. I thought you had Ithaca in the field but didn't see them included in the brackets you made out. Was that the case or did I miss something?

We put Ithaca in the St. John Fisher pod.

Our biggest, and really only significant, variance from our rankings at the time of our projection to the latest regional rankings was in regard to Plattsburgh State's placement. Their .7273 winning percentage didin't do much for us considering the .4754 SOS (ranked 271 nationally). Clearly the NCAA feels otherwise which is either a good thing for them or a bad thing for Pool C hopefuls out of the East.

Ziggy,
I can't find the St John Fisher pod either, but I did find the Ramapo, Merchant Marine, Cabrini, and Rutgers-Newark pod listed in 2 places, near the top and at the bottom of the right hand side. Must be 2 other teams not listed as well. Thought I was going blind for a while there.

Its on there, it was updated.

Well, it is now, but I just pulled the page up 20 minutes ago and it didn't have the Fisher pod on the bottom then. I used the link off your brother's post.

[Titan Q]

Someone's bubble is bursting tonight...

Carleton 66
St. Thomas 54

2:00 left

(Carleton will face Gustavus Adolphus in the MIAC title game.)

[John Gleich]

Stout leads Stevens Point 38-34 and Superior leads Whitewater 36-35, both games at the half.

[KnightSlappy]

Someone's bubble is bursting tonight...

Carleton 66
St. Thomas 54

2:00 left

(Carleton will face Gustavus Adolphus in the MIAC title game.)

St. Thomas cuts it to 4 with 1:00.

And the foul fest begins.

And now it's only a 3 point lead for Carleton with 41 seconds to go.

...but Carleton regains control and wins 73-67

[John Gleich]

Stout leads Stevens Point 49-42 with 15:51 in the half

[Mr. Ypsi]

Anyone expecting Carleton to down the Tommies tonite is either a Carlie or a liar!  

Now the countdown begins - will the Tommies be the very first Pool C, or will an even bigger fish get fried?

[WUPHF]

Now the countdown begins - will the Tommies be the very first Pool C, or will an even bigger fish get fried?

Hmm...how about some Walleye.  We are talking about the Minnesota afterall.  Carleton played a great game and everything fell for them tonight (65 percent in the second half).  St. Thomas almost got them in the end with a few big three pointers, but to no avail.

That is a big time upset!

[John Gleich]

Stout leads Stevens Point 49-42 with 15:51 in the half

Point now leads 65-57.  Whitewater leads 58-48