Pool C

[KnightSlappy]

This seems like a simple OWP question I should know the answer to, but I don't...

Does your result vs a given in-region opponent count in the calculation of your own OWP?  For example, IWU beat Benedictine...then Benedictine beat Cornell (both games in-region for BU).  As far as IWU's OWP, is Benedictine 1-1 or 1-0 right now?

Thanks for your help.

1-0. You removes games versus yourself in the OWP calcultion, but not the OOWP calcultion.

So, you can't hurt your SOS by winning a game, you actually boost is slightly.

[KnightSlappy]

I'm tracking in-region WP, OWP, OOWP, SOS, and RPI again this year in the regional-ranking format. I'll be posting the charts on my blog, becuase it's a little easier to format things in HTML than it is using the forum. 

Permalink: http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/2010-2011-d3-mens-regional-rankings.html

Way too early to do this, but I'm starting now anyway. As always, let me know if you see any errors. I'm sure there are still bugs to be worked out of the spreadsheet.

[KnightSlappy]

The handbook is out: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf

61 bids. 42 Pool A's, 2 Pool B's, and only 17 Pool C's 

Looks like no Pool A status for the NECC?... Nope... The handbook looks wrong. Lists NECC as an AQ conference, but also lists all the teams as Pool B. Looks like maybe it should actually be 18 C's and 1 B?

Here's the OWP/OOWP adjustment:
Home/Away Multiplier. A multiplier of 1.4 shall be added to the OWP for those
games played away from home. In addition, the same multiplier (1.4) shall be included
for those games played on the road for the OOWP. A multiplier of 1/0 (no positive
or negative effect) will be included in the OWP and OOWP for all neutral games. A
multiplier of 0.6 shall be included in the OWP and OOWP for all home games.

[hopefan]

The handbook is wrong.... NEVER!!....     Again and again....

[Ralph Turner]

Thanks for finding the Handbook.

I had checked a couple of times last week, but my searches were not finding it.  This says it is a November 19, 2010 update.  Looks like there will be a few more updates.      

I agree with your assessment...1 Pool B bid.

[ziggy]

The handbook is wrong.... NEVER!!....     Again and again....

The bracket is also wrong...again.

[Ralph Turner]

The handbook is wrong.... NEVER!!....     Again and again....

The bracket is also wrong...again.

+1!  They only bracketed for 60 teams!

[KnightSlappy]

Also just found out that the 42 conferences have been granted automatic bids for the "2009" championship. If we're retroactively handing out bids, can we go back and see if Calvin would have made a 61 team field? 

They also claim a 6.5 tournament access ratio, but even though 403 / 6.5 = 62 (exactly), we're only seeing 61 bids.

[Ralph Turner]

Also just found out that the 42 conferences have been granted automatic bids for the "2009" championship. If we're retroactively handing out bids, can we go back and see if Calvin would have made a 61 team field?  

They also claim a 6.5 tournament access ratio, but even though 403 / 6.5 = 62 (exactly), we're only seeing 61 bids.

The funding for the tournaments usually lags a year.  Next year (2011-12), we should have 62 bids.  That should be an extra Pool C bid. 

Also, remember that the Commonwealth Coast Conference goes away in 2011-12.  That throws about 12 more teams into Pool B for 2 years.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Also, remember that the Commonwealth Coast Conference goes away in 2011-12.  That throws about 12 more teams into Pool B for 2 years.

It's not official yet, but that's not going to happen.

[CrashDavisD3]

The handbook is wrong.... NEVER!!....     Again and again....

The bracket is also wrong...again.

NCAA should had over the all the handbooks for all sports to CAL TECH Students. The accuracy and quality would improve 1000%.....

[Ralph Turner]

Also, remember that the Commonwealth Coast Conference goes away in 2011-12.  That throws about 12 more teams into Pool B for 2 years.

It's not official yet, but that's not going to happen.

That post begs the question...

Has the threat to disband The Commonwealth Coast Conference had the desired effect of "chasing" away the "uninvited"?

If the teams that were not wanted have moved to other conferences, then why go thru Pool B without the Automatic Qualifier (AQ) for 2 years?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Also, remember that the Commonwealth Coast Conference goes away in 2011-12.  That throws about 12 more teams into Pool B for 2 years.

It's not official yet, but that's not going to happen.

That post begs the question...

Has the threat to disband The Commonwealth Coast Conference had the desired effect of "chasing" away the "uninvited"?

If the teams that were not wanted have moved to other conferences, then why go thru Pool B without the Automatic Qualifier (AQ) for 2 years?

There's no official word yet, but the rumblings I'm hearing say exactly that - the nine defectors will probably rejoin the one remaining team and play with ten next year.

When you think about it, it makes the most sense.

[KnightSlappy]

12/2 handbook update: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf

18 Pool C's and 1 Pool B. That looks better.

[Ralph Turner]

12/2 handbook update: http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/champ_handbooks/basketball/2011/11_3_mbasketball.pdf

18 Pool C's and 1 Pool B. That looks better.

The guys in Indianapolis must have discovered the Pool C message board at D3boards.com.              

(Did you see if any other clerical errors or typos were corrected?)



I think that that is the cleanest revision that I can remember.

And to have occurred by December 2nd is remarkable.  Now let's look at the Women's...

which I do not find posted yet.