Pool C

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yep - and New Paltz only is in region because of the 200 miles.

[KnightSlappy]

Anyone know if the NCAA is releasing the data like they did last year?

[Pat Coleman]

I would suspect they plan to but they probably hadn't considered how that would work once they changed to their new website.

[ziggy]

I would suspect they plan to but they probably hadn't considered how that would work once they changed to their new website.

The NCAA is full of forward thinkers

[Hugenerd]

Interesting AMCC dynamic.  La Roche is #2 in Mid-Atlantic (btw, thats higher than St. Mary's), while Penn State-Behrend is #6 in the Great Lakes.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Interesting AMCC dynamic.  La Roche is #2 in Mid-Atlantic (btw, thats higher than St. Mary's), while Penn State-Behrend is #6 in the Great Lakes.

I think we're seeing the multipliers have an effect here.  St. Mary's have only five in-region road games.  They've played a lot of neutral court games.  I think I read the neutral court games are calculated differently.

[Hugenerd]

Interesting AMCC dynamic.  La Roche is #2 in Mid-Atlantic (btw, thats higher than St. Mary's), while Penn State-Behrend is #6 in the Great Lakes.

I think we're seeing the multipliers have an effect here.  St. Mary's have only five in-region road games.  They've played a lot of neutral court games.  I think I read the neutral court games are calculated differently.

Yes, neutral have a 1.0 multiplier (home 0.6 and away is 1.4, as you know).

[Mr. Ypsi]

A point of clarification on primary criteria.  'Results against regionally-ranked teams' is a primary criterion if 'in-region'; a secondary criterion for those ranked in other regions.  What if the game itself was in-region (by another criterion) but the opponents are ranked in different regions - primary or secondary?

(What brought this question to mind was the women's IWU/DePauw game.  It is an in-region game, but IWU is #1 in the Central; DePauw is presumably #7 [i.e., not currently ranked] in the Great Lakes.  Primary or secondary?  Since DePauw won that game - though lost to Central #6 Millikin, also in-region by 200-mile rule - these could be important in getting 14-2 DePauw into the rankings.)

[Hugenerd]

I would say secondary.  As far as I know, there are different committees for each region.  Therefore, a committee in one region may not even know if a given team is ranked in another region when they are doing their rankings. 

Pat, do you know if there is a lot of communication between regions during this ranking process?  Do they really iterate based on secondary criteria after each region submits their initial list?

[Mr. Ypsi]

I would say secondary.  As far as I know, there are different committees for each region.  Therefore, a committee in one region may not even know if a given team is ranked in another region when they are doing their rankings. 

Pat, do you know if there is a lot of communication between regions during this ranking process?  Do they really iterate based on secondary criteria after each region submits their initial list?

True for the FIRST rankings, but haven't they gone to a 'once ranked, always ranked' set up?

I suspect you are correct, but the criterion is very vaguely written: "In-region results versus regionally ranked teams".  IWU/DePauw and Millikin/DePauw are both in-region games.  It doesn't spell out that the ranking must be in the same region.

[Pat Coleman]

I would say secondary.  As far as I know, there are different committees for each region.  Therefore, a committee in one region may not even know if a given team is ranked in another region when they are doing their rankings. 

Pat, do you know if there is a lot of communication between regions during this ranking process?  Do they really iterate based on secondary criteria after each region submits their initial list?

I don't think there is any at the level of the regional call but on the national call, obviously, all regions are supposed to be represented.

Indeed, men's basketball is a once-ranked/always-ranked sport.

Women's basketball, of course, is not.

Go figure.

[Mr. Ypsi]

I would say secondary.  As far as I know, there are different committees for each region.  Therefore, a committee in one region may not even know if a given team is ranked in another region when they are doing their rankings. 

Pat, do you know if there is a lot of communication between regions during this ranking process?  Do they really iterate based on secondary criteria after each region submits their initial list?

I don't think there is any at the level of the regional call but on the national call, obviously, all regions are supposed to be represented.

Indeed, men's basketball is a once-ranked/always-ranked sport.

Women's basketball, of course, is not.

Go figure.

It doesn't surprise me that different regional committees would interpret things differently.  It DOES surprise me that different genders of the same sport would have flat-out different selection rules.

I suspect I've already received the answer, but, Pat, if two teams are in-region, but ranked in different regions, IS the 'results against ranked teams' a secondary rather than primary criterion?

Do you have any idea whether committees tend to use common sense on rankings in other regions?  (For example, the Central region could have been pretty certain IWU victim Kean was going to be ranked; the GL region committee might have been uncertain about Millikin - whom DePauw lost to - but certainly could have assumed IWU - whom DePauw beat - would be regionally ranked.)

[Pat Coleman]

I believe "in-region results against regionally ranked teams" is meant to include games against teams ranked in other regions, if they are regional games.

[Hugenerd]

If they publish the pdf with all that information, like they did last year, you could check this. Any word on those documents being released?

[Ralph Turner]

If they publish the pdf with all that information, like they did last year, you could check this. Any word on those documents being released?

This is the only pdf with which I am familiar.

Championship Handbook

I may have overlooked it, but I have not seen that wording about "in-region, inter-regional" contestants who may be regionally ranked.