Pool C

[thebear]

Then there's also the oddball situations that develop from moving teams out of region.

In '03-04 Potsdam won the conference tournament in a upset, got sent for a first rounder to PS-Behrend in Erie, 366 miles through the snow belt.  Bears won that Thursday night game, but then drew Wooster (with a first round bye) -  Bears played on Saturday night .  Potsdam - Wooster was 520 miles (through the snow belt).  That was probably punishment by the tournament gods for upsetting their Pool C apple cart.  Kids were gone from Wednesday noon until Sunday afternoon.

[ronk]

- 2 teams into or out of Texas (since the projection has 2 ASC teams and they can't play in the first round by rule)

They can play in the first round if the NCAA deems fit. Happens all the time in other sports. Could take the winner of a game like that and fly it to a bye team like with California.

From the handbook: Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as
long as geographic proximity is maintained.

You'd think they would change the emphasis and say they can't play each other as
long as geographic proximity is maintained.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

- 2 teams into or out of Texas (since the projection has 2 ASC teams and they can't play in the first round by rule)

They can play in the first round if the NCAA deems fit. Happens all the time in other sports. Could take the winner of a game like that and fly it to a bye team like with California.

From the handbook: Teams from the same conference do not have to play one another in the first round as
long as geographic proximity is maintained.

You'd think they would change the emphasis and say they can't play each other as
long as geographic proximity is maintained.

They don't have to, but the NCAA does it all the time for geographic orphans.

[Ralph Turner]

Then there's also the oddball situations that develop from moving teams out of region.

In '03-04 Potsdam won the conference tournament in a upset, got sent for a first rounder to PS-Behrend in Erie, 366 miles through the snow belt.  Bears won that Thursday night game, but then drew Wooster (with a first round bye) -  Bears played on Saturday night .  Potsdam - Wooster was 520 miles (through the snow belt).  That was probably punishment by the tournament gods for upsetting their Pool C apple cart.  Kids were gone from Wednesday noon until Sunday afternoon.

That was back before the current March Madness money gave us all of the extra Pool C bids.

Back then, the hosting mentality (IMHO) in the 3-team pods was

#3  -- be glad you're in the tourney  (Potsdam State)
#2  -- deserves to have a home game  (PSU-Behrend)
#1  -- deserves a first round bye.   (Wooster)

(This recalls the old Hoopsville lead-in...  "You wanna play that first round game... You haven't played a [NCAA] tourney game.")

Now, if you are the "weaker" seed from a conference and get moved to a weaker region, then the conference has a chance to go deeper into the playoffs, by knocking a good team out, if your conference really is one of the stronger one, and stronger than the teams in the conference going to the "out-of-region" bracket

IMHO, if your team is a relatively weak one, and you are moved to populate the bottom half of the bracket, then the committee has tried to seed the bracket closer to a #1 - #"64" scenario.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

For the record... the D3 committees in basketball have done a decent job seperating conference teams in the last maybe ten years that I can remember. There have been occasions where they have not done this in California (where I remember their hands were basically tied) and Texas (where I remember they later changed the pod so the teams would avoid each other in the first round).

I can't say conference vs. conference in the first round is something I am overly concerned about.

[kiltedbryan]

Pool C hopefuls around the country can breathe a huge sigh of relief as "cold, hard lead pipe lock" Wooster narrowly escapes in its NCAC quarterfinal with a 62-57 win over Allegheny.

Everything goes according to form in the NCAC tonight, with Ohio Wesleyan, Wabash and Wittenberg advance to the NCAC semifinals on Friday at Wooster. Wooster draws Ohio Wesleyan and Wabash and Wittenberg may be playing for an NCAA bid in the other semifinal.

[Just Bill]

Ramapo loses to Montclair State tonight in the NJAC tournament. Welcome to the bubble Road Runners.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Ramapo's loss means those already on the bubble are starting to feel it get unstable.

[Ralph Turner]

Atlantic Region
1 Ramapo 17-3 18-5 (NJAC):  2-0 for the week; plays lost to Montclair State in semis 2/22
2 Kean 16-5 17-7 (NJAC):  1-0 for the week; plays lost to New Jersey City in semis 2/22
3 Mount Saint Mary (N.Y.) 17-5 17-5 (SKY):  1-2 for the week; BYE into semis 2/24
4 SUNY-Purchase 19-4 19-4 (SKY):  2-0 for the week; BYE into semis 2/24
5 St. Joseph's (L.I.) 17-3 19-3 (SKY): 1-2 for the week; beat Mount Saint Vincent in quarterfinal 2/22

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/

[Greek Tragedy]

BOLD is conference leader meaning they get a Pool A bid
GREEN is Pool C candidate meaning they cannot get a Pool A bid


Atlantic Region
1 Ramapo 19-3 20-5 (NJAC):  LOST to Montclair State 67-64 in semis  
2 SUNY-Purchase 21-4 21-4 (SKY):  Plays Old Westbury in semis 2/24
3 Kean 17-5 18-7 (NJAC):  LOST to NJCU 75-61 in semis
4 St. Joseph's (L.I.) 18-5 20-5 (SKY):  BEAT Mount Saint Vincent 68-60, plays Mount Saint Mary in semis 2/24
5 Mount Saint Mary 18-7 18-7 (SKY):  Plays St. Joseph's (L.I.) in semis 2/24


East Region
1 Oswego State 22-3 22-3 (SUNYAC):   BEAT Potsdam State 64-50 in quarterfinals, plays Brockport State in semis 2/25  
2 Ithaca 19-5 20-5  (E8):  Plays St. John Fisher in semis 2/25
3 Rochester 19-3 20-4 (UAA):  Plays Emory 2/26
4 Stevens 19-6 19-6 (E8):  Plays Hartwick in semis 2/25
5 Hobart 19-5 19-6 (LL):  Plays Hamilton in semis 2/25
6 Buffalo State 15-6 18-6 (SUNYAC):  BEAT Cortland State 75-56 in quarterfinals, plays Plattsburgh State in semis 2/25

Great Lakes Region
1 Wooster 20-2 23-2 (NCAC):   BEAT Allegheny 62-57 in quarterfinals, plays Ohio Wesleyan in semis 2/25
2 Marietta 19-3 22-3 (OAC):  BEAT Wilmington 84-73 in quarterfinals, plays Heidelberg in semis 2/24
3 Penn State-Behrend 22-2 22-3 (AMCC):  Plays Medaille in semis 2/25
4 Hope 15-2 19-6 (MIAA):  BEAT Alma 110-77 in quarterfinals, plays Adrian in semis 2/25
5 Thiel 15-3 18-6 (PrAC):  BEAT Waynesburg 73-63 in quarterfinals, plays Thomas More in semis 2/24
6 Wabash 18-5 19-5 (NCAC):  BEAT Kenyon 72-61 in quarterfinals, plays Wittenberg in semis 2/25


Middle Atlantic Region
1 La Roche 22-2 23-2 (AMCC):  Plays Hilbert in semis 2/25
2 St. Mary's (Md.) 18-3 20-5 (CAC):   Plays Mary Washington in semis 2/24
3 Cabrini 20-5 20-5 (CSAC):  BEAT Neumann 79-76 in semis, plays Gwynedd-Mercy in final 2/25
4 Gwynedd-Mercy 19-4 20-5 (CSAC):  BEAT Keystone 85-65 in semis, plays Cabrini in final 2/25
5 Keystone 21-5 21-5 (CSAC):  LOST to Gwynedd-Mercy 85-65 in semis
6 Lebanon Valley 17-6 19-6 (MACC):  BEAT Widener 58-56 in semis, plays Alvernia in final 2/26
7 Franklin and Marshall 18-5 20-5:  (CC):  Plays Haverford in semis 2/26
8 DeSales 16-7 18-7 (MACF): BEAT Misericordia 78-69 in semis, plays Delaware Valley in final 2/26
9 Wesley 15-5 16-9 (CAC):  Plays Salisbury in semis 2/24


Midwest Region
1 Concordia (Wis.) 20-2 22-3 (NATH):   Plays Edgewood in semis 2/25
2 Augustana 21-2 22-2 (CCIW):  Plays Wheaton in semis 2/25
3 Manchester 18-5 19-6 (HCAC):  Plays winner of Rose-Hulman/Transylvania in semis 2/26  
4 Hanover 18-6 18-6 (HCAC):  Plays winner of Anderson/Bluffton in semis 2/26
5 Anderson 15-7 17-8 (HCAC):  Plays Bluffton in quarterfinals 2/25
6 Milwaukee Engineering 18-6 19-6 (NATH):  LOST to Aurora 72-67 in quarterfinals
7 Benedictine 17-6 18-7 (NATH):  BEAT Rockford 91-76 in quarterfinals, plays Aurora in semis 2/25  
8 St. Norbert 18-5 18-5 (MWC):  Plays Ripon in semis 2/25


Northeast Region
1 Williams 21-1 23-1 (NESCAC):  Plays Trinity (Conn.) in semis 2/26
2 Middlebury 20-1 23-1 (NESCAC):  Plays Amherst in semis 2/26
3 WPI 21-3 21-4 (NEWMAC):  Plays Coast Guard in semis 2/26
4 Becker 22-3 22-3 (NECC):  Plays Newbury in semis 2/25  
5 Amherst 21-2 22-2 (NESCAC):  Plays Middlebury in semis 2/26
6 Western Connecticut State 20-4 21-4 (LEC):  Plays Eastern Connecticut State in semis 2/25
7 Rhode Island College 17-7 17-7 (LEC):  Plays Keene State in semis 2/25
8 Elms 16-6 18-7 (NECC):  Plays Southern Vermont in semis 2/25
9 Eastern Connecticut State 15-7 17-8 (LEC):  Plays Western Connecticut State in semis 2/25  
10 Brandeis 16-8 16-8 (UAA):  Plays at NYU 2/26
11 Roger Williams 17-8 17-8 (CCC):  LOST to Endicott 71-68 in CCC quarterfinals


South Region
1 Virginia Wesleyan 20-3 22-3 (ODAC):   Plays Washington and Lee in quarterfinals 2/25
2 Randolph-Macon 20-4 21-4 (ODAC):  Plays Roanoke in quarterfinals 2/25
3 Texas-Dallas 19-4 20-5 (ASC):  Plays Concordia (Texas) in quarterfinals 2/25
4 Ferrum 18-4 21-4 (USAC):  Plays Christopher Newport 2/25
5 Eastern Mennonite 15-4 21-4 (ODAC):  Plays Hampden-Sydney in quarterfinals 2/25
6 North Carolina Wesleyan 14-4 19-6 (USAC):  Plays Greensboro in semis 2/25
7 Mary Hardin-Baylor 19-6 19-6 (ASC): Plays Texas-Tyler in quarterfinals 2/25  
8 Emory 18-5 19-5 (UAA):  Plays Rochester 2/25


West Region
1 Whitworth 24-1 24-1 (NWC):   Plays Pacific Lutheran in semis 2/24
2 St. Thomas 21-3 22-3 (MIAC):  Plays Hamline in semis 2/25
3 UW-Stevens Point 21-3 22-3 (WIAC):   Plays Superior in semis 2/24
4 Chapman 14-1 21-3 (IND):   BEAT La Sierra 61-56, plays Univ. of Dallas 2/25
5 Carleton 18-5 18-7 (MIAC):  Plays Gustavus Adolphus in semis 2/25
6 UW-River Falls 17-5 19-6 (WIAC):  Plays Platteville in semis 2/24
7 Whitman 13-5 18-7 (NWC):  Plays Lewis and Clark in semis 2/24
8 Lewis and Clark 12-5 18-7 (NWC):  Plays Whitman in semis 2/24
9 UW-Whitewater 16-8 17-8 (WIAC):  LOST to Superior 78-72 in quarterfinals

[magicman]

That's a lot of work Old School.  Good Job and plus k.

[Ralph Turner]

That's a lot of work Old School.  Good Job and plus k.

Ditto and thanks!

+1! 

[deiscanton]

Old School--

I just wanted to let you know that Rochester wrapped up the UAA automatic bid on Sunday, February 20, 2011-- Rochester got a 2 game lead over Emory with 1 game to play in the UAA when they won at Case on Sunday and 2nd place team Emory lost at Carnegie Mellon.   The UAA does not have a conference tournament, but concludes double round-robin play on Saturday, Feb. 26 when the respective travel partners play each other.  (Beginning this season, all of the UAA travel partners play each other on the first and last games of the UAA double round-robin.)

Emory and Brandeis should be marked in green to reflect this.

(Note: I believe that Brandeis is too far down in the regional rankings at this point to get a Pool C bid, and Emory may be too far down as well-- we will see.)

[Greek Tragedy]

Thanks deiscanton.  I know they don't have a post season tourney, but I was in tourney mode and didn't even think about putting Brandeis and Emory in green.  I'll correct that.  Good catch!