Pool C

[AO]

AO... how does the calculation affect the women? They don't use the multiplier! So there is no influence on any games!

In a men's game a 9-4 record for a team you played on the road would have a record of 11.25 and 5. A women's game on the road has no multiplier so that team is still 9-4.

Tell me how the new calculations actually affect the women?

From your example, using last year's calculation, you'd come up with a .555 OWP, this year under the total wins/total games you come up with a .560

[ziggy]

The only way to say there is no change is to say that the handbook has said one thing and the calculation has been done another way - like Pat has indicated is the case.

AO's point has to do with calculating OWP by averaging the individual win percentages vs. arriving at an OWP via the sum total of opponents' wins and loses.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

AHHHHHH!!!!!!! I see the point... thank you. As seen below...

Here is how my example works with the men:

Opp         W     L       Mult.        Raw W    Raw L
Team B    9    1    1.25    11.25    1.25
Team C    9    3    1.25    11.25    3.75
Team D    5    2    1.25    6.25    2.50
Team E    7    4    1.00    7.00    4.00
Team F    6    4    1.25    7.50    5.00
Team G    6    4    0.75    4.50    3.00
Team H    6    4    1.25    7.50    5.00
Team I    4    5    0.75    3.00    3.75
Team J    4    6    1.00    4.00    6.00
Team K    4    8    1.00    4.00    8.00
Team L    1    7    1.25    1.25    8.75
               Total:    67.50    51.00
               SOS (WP):    .5696

Now for the women:

Team B    9    1         .900
Team C    9    3         .750
Team D    5    2         .714
Team E    7    4         .636
Team F    6    4         .600
Team G    6    4         .600
Team H    6    4         .600
Team I    4    5         .444
Team J    4    6         .400
Team K    4    8         .333
Team L    1    7         .143
Total:      61    48
SOS:       .560             .556

OK... I apologize... I didn't see the point what so ever... and now I get it!

I will have to check with those in the know to see how this is affecting the women... which I assume it is. And AO... I will adjust my blog accordingly.

[Greek Tragedy]

Curious what the rankings will look like today in the Midwest and West rankings.

With #7 Augustana losing two games, they are surely to drop out? They did lose to two regionally ranked teams ahead of them. #8 St. Norbert also lost a game, to Grinnell. With two wins over the Green Knights, will Grinnell crack the rankings? Their SOS is still horrible. How about Westminster or Lakeland College? A team to look out for NEXT week could be Hanover. They play Transylvania and Rose-Hulman this week.

Over in the West #2 Whitworth dropped two. Whitewater could jump Point and the bottom 5 teams all took a loss.  I could see possibly Redlands and/or Northwestern (MN) jumping in. Northwestern has lost to Buena Vista, Luther and Whitewater while topping Wheaton. Redlands has lost to Whitworth and Buena Vista.

[John Gleich]

Curious what the rankings will look like today in the Midwest and West rankings.

With #7 Augustana losing two games, they are surely to drop out? They did lose to two regionally ranked teams ahead of them. #8 St. Norbert also lost a game, to Grinnell. With two wins over the Green Knights, will Grinnell crack the rankings? Their SOS is still horrible. How about Westminster or Lakeland College? A team to look out for NEXT week could be Hanover. They play Transylvania and Rose-Hulman this week.

Over in the West #2 Whitworth dropped two. Whitewater could jump Point and the bottom 5 teams all took a loss.  I could see possibly Redlands and/or Northwestern (MN) jumping in. Northwestern has lost to Buena Vista, Luther and Whitewater while topping Wheaton. Redlands has lost to Whitworth and Buena Vista.

Ain't gonna happen. Point swept Whitewater. Even if Point should lose to Stout tonight, SP will still be above WW.

[KnightSlappy]

Curious what the rankings will look like today in the Midwest and West rankings.

With #7 Augustana losing two games, they are surely to drop out? They did lose to two regionally ranked teams ahead of them. #8 St. Norbert also lost a game, to Grinnell. With two wins over the Green Knights, will Grinnell crack the rankings? Their SOS is still horrible. How about Westminster or Lakeland College? A team to look out for NEXT week could be Hanover. They play Transylvania and Rose-Hulman this week.

Over in the West #2 Whitworth dropped two. Whitewater could jump Point and the bottom 5 teams all took a loss.  I could see possibly Redlands and/or Northwestern (MN) jumping in. Northwestern has lost to Buena Vista, Luther and Whitewater while topping Wheaton. Redlands has lost to Whitworth and Buena Vista.

Ain't gonna happen. Point swept Whitewater. Even if Point should lose to Stout tonight, SP will still be above WW.

For the West I'll guess (not really adjusting for head-to-head except UWSP and UWW):

1. St. Thomas
2. UWSP
3. UWW
4. Whitworth (they're either above both UWSP and UWW or below both)
5. UW-Stout
6. Buena Vista (flip 5-6 if you want)
7. Augsburg
8. Redlands
9. Luther

[Greek Tragedy]

NEW RANKINGS ARE POSTED

[Pat Coleman]

On it thanks!

[Pat Coleman]

Thanks again! Regional rankings:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2013/02/13/ncaa-regional-rankings-week-2-2/

[Greek Tragedy]

I didn't mean to steal your thunder. 

[Greek Tragedy]

Curious what the rankings will look like today in the Midwest and West rankings.

With #7 Augustana losing two games, they are surely to drop out? They did lose to two regionally ranked teams ahead of them. #8 St. Norbert also lost a game, to Grinnell. With two wins over the Green Knights, will Grinnell crack the rankings? Their SOS is still horrible. How about Westminster or Lakeland College? A team to look out for NEXT week could be Hanover. They play Transylvania and Rose-Hulman this week.

Over in the West #2 Whitworth dropped two. Whitewater could jump Point and the bottom 5 teams all took a loss.  I could see possibly Redlands and/or Northwestern (MN) jumping in. Northwestern has lost to Buena Vista, Luther and Whitewater while topping Wheaton. Redlands has lost to Whitworth and Buena Vista.

Ain't gonna happen. Point swept Whitewater. Even if Point should lose to Stout tonight, SP will still be above ww.

Grinnell swept St. Norbert. So shouldn't they be ranked before St. Norbert?

Surprised to see Augie still ranked and above St. Norbert. I understand SOS and all, but really?

[Titan Q]

Grinnell swept St. Norbert. So shouldn't they be ranked before St. Norbert?

Surprised to see Augie still ranked and above St. Norbert. I understand SOS and all, but really?

Completely agree on St. Norbert/Grinnell - I don't get it.

Augustana beat St. Norbert, at St. Norbert (and not that it matters, but it was a blowout).  For me, head-to-head was applied properly here but not with St. Norbert/Grinnell. 

[Pat Coleman]

I didn't mean to steal your thunder. 

No, I was being sincere -- I wouldn't have even started checking the NCAA site for at least another hour. I do truly appreciate the heads-up. Just added our link in hopes that that is what people will distribute through the other boards.

[KnightSlappy]

Grinnell swept St. Norbert. So shouldn't they be ranked before St. Norbert?

Surprised to see Augie still ranked and above St. Norbert. I understand SOS and all, but really?

Completely agree on St. Norbert/Grinnell - I don't get it.

Augustana beat St. Norbert, at St. Norbert (and not that it matters, but it was a blowout).  For me, head-to-head was applied properly here but not with St. Norbert/Grinnell.

I don't think head-to-head should make it automatic that they're ranked higher. St. Norbert has the .539 to .481 SOS advantage. And this committee loves SOS more than any committee in recent memory.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

And as I have stated in other places, St. Norbert has one more result versus regionally ranked opponents and has three more games regionally on their record. Not sure if those are determining factors...

And Knight, while I agree SOS is certainly a major factor, I have seen decisions not necessarily based only on SOS. It is also a change from when SOS was ignored for WP instead. I think we are seeing a little of both in these decisions across the country.