Pool C

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

KnightSlappy... they weren't ranked.

ronk - she has never had a track record of being informative... so why start now LOL.

So then Marietta

Nope.

[KnightSlappy]

KnightSlappy... they weren't ranked.

ronk - she has never had a track record of being informative... so why start now LOL.

So then Marietta

Nope.

So Capital remained ranked then with an SOS below .500 and only one game, a loss, to a team actually ranked at the time of the final rankings.

And Hope was not ranked even though they had a .064 SOS advantage and a 1-4 in games versus teams that were all actually ranked in the end. Even giving up the .078 in WP, it seems like the committee had been taking this resume over the other every time this year.

Unless they somehow decided upon Baldwin Wallace? I just don't see how Hope's large SOS (and games versus actually ranked teams) doesn't put them over the top when compared to all three of these OAC schools.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

KnightSlappy... they weren't ranked.

ronk - she has never had a track record of being informative... so why start now LOL.

So then Marietta

Nope.

So Capital remained ranked then with an SOS below .500 and only one game, a loss, to a team actually ranked at the time of the final rankings.

And Hope was not ranked even though they had a .064 SOS advantage and a 1-4 in games versus teams that were all actually ranked in the end. Even giving up the .078 in WP, it seems like the committee had been taking this resume over the other every time this year.

Unless they somehow decided upon Baldwin Wallace? I just don't see how Hope's large SOS (and games versus actually ranked teams) doesn't put them over the top when compared to all three of these OAC schools.

Does it really matter when the spot didn't make it to the table anyway?

[ziggy]

KnightSlappy... they weren't ranked.

ronk - she has never had a track record of being informative... so why start now LOL.

So then Marietta

Nope.

So Capital remained ranked then with an SOS below .500 and only one game, a loss, to a team actually ranked at the time of the final rankings.

And Hope was not ranked even though they had a .064 SOS advantage and a 1-4 in games versus teams that were all actually ranked in the end. Even giving up the .078 in WP, it seems like the committee had been taking this resume over the other every time this year.

Unless they somehow decided upon Baldwin Wallace? I just don't see how Hope's large SOS (and games versus actually ranked teams) doesn't put them over the top when compared to all three of these OAC schools.

Does it really matter when the spot didn't make it to the table anyway?

Absolutely. Randolph's Pool C bid goes to prove how much a new team breaking into the final regional rankings can be. Hope getting ranked at the end would have helped Calvin to the point it may have been the difference between hosting RHIT and traveling to Terre Haute.

[Flying Dutch Fan]

KnightSlappy... they weren't ranked.

ronk - she has never had a track record of being informative... so why start now LOL.

So then Marietta

Nope.

So Capital remained ranked then with an SOS below .500 and only one game, a loss, to a team actually ranked at the time of the final rankings.

And Hope was not ranked even though they had a .064 SOS advantage and a 1-4 in games versus teams that were all actually ranked in the end. Even giving up the .078 in WP, it seems like the committee had been taking this resume over the other every time this year.

Unless they somehow decided upon Baldwin Wallace? I just don't see how Hope's large SOS (and games versus actually ranked teams) doesn't put them over the top when compared to all three of these OAC schools.

Does it really matter when the spot didn't make it to the table anyway?

Absolutely. Randolph's Pool C bid goes to prove how much a new team breaking into the final regional rankings can be. Hope getting ranked at the end would have helped Calvin to the point it may have been the difference between hosting RHIT and traveling to Terre Haute.

...and there it is.  We all knew two Calvin fans arguing for Hope to be ranked couldn't simply be for Hope's benefit (I kid, I kid)  

[sac]

KnightSlappy... they weren't ranked.

ronk - she has never had a track record of being informative... so why start now LOL.

So then Marietta

Nope.

So Capital remained ranked then with an SOS below .500 and only one game, a loss, to a team actually ranked at the time of the final rankings.

And Hope was not ranked even though they had a .064 SOS advantage and a 1-4 in games versus teams that were all actually ranked in the end. Even giving up the .078 in WP, it seems like the committee had been taking this resume over the other every time this year.

Unless they somehow decided upon Baldwin Wallace? I just don't see how Hope's large SOS (and games versus actually ranked teams) doesn't put them over the top when compared to all three of these OAC schools.

Maybe going to 9 ranking positions isn't such a good idea, 3 more opportunities to completely screw it up.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

KnightSlappy... they weren't ranked.

ronk - she has never had a track record of being informative... so why start now LOL.

So then Marietta

Nope.

So Capital remained ranked then with an SOS below .500 and only one game, a loss, to a team actually ranked at the time of the final rankings.

And Hope was not ranked even though they had a .064 SOS advantage and a 1-4 in games versus teams that were all actually ranked in the end. Even giving up the .078 in WP, it seems like the committee had been taking this resume over the other every time this year.

Unless they somehow decided upon Baldwin Wallace? I just don't see how Hope's large SOS (and games versus actually ranked teams) doesn't put them over the top when compared to all three of these OAC schools.

Maybe going to 9 ranking positions isn't such a good idea, 3 more opportunities to completely screw it up.

Yeah, but with 9 slots, it seems likely Hope and Calvin would both be ranked at least once each year.  Even in an off year like this one, Hope would have surely gotten in.  It's also going to be a boon for the HCAC, which is likely to get more teams into the rankings in the GL than they did in the MW.

It certainly adds some depth to the region.

[Ralph Turner]

The benefit that the Northeast has is its weaker conferences that contrubute to the # of teams ranked, but rarely have a team strong enough to occupy "their" slot.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

The benefit that the Northeast has is its weaker conferences that contrubute to the # of teams ranked, but rarely have a team strong enough to occupy "their" slot.

It's the same advantage for SOS as well.  A Becker or an Anna Maria can have a pretty good record without actually being a competitive game for the top regional teams.

[sac]

Not addressing the 75 school Northeast region is a failure in my opinion.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

sac - I have talked about this with those who knew how they were tackling it and long conversations with Pat... I have come to the conclusion... how in the world would they have done it. Remember the criteria and recommendations they were given.

[Pat Coleman]

There's just no easy way to do it with the map. All of those leagues have teams in both western and eastern New England. It doesn't work to carve one or two out.

I've been saying that for a couple of years. We're pretty much screwed on that.

[sac]

There's just no easy way to do it with the map. All of those leagues have teams in both western and eastern New England. It doesn't work to carve one or two out.

I've been saying that for a couple of years. We're pretty much screwed on that.

Let's move one conference to the East, you pick up all the East in-region teams that weren't before and you still keep all the Northeast Region teams because of administrative region.  It's actually a win for the conference that moves East.

The 70% thing really makes moving a Northeast conference less of a deal than moving the Heartland to me.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

There's just no easy way to do it with the map. All of those leagues have teams in both western and eastern New England. It doesn't work to carve one or two out.

I've been saying that for a couple of years. We're pretty much screwed on that.

Let's move one conference to the East, you pick up all the East in-region teams that weren't before and you still keep all the Northeast Region teams because of administrative region.  It's actually a win for the conference that moves East.

The 70% thing really makes moving a Northeast conference less of a deal than moving the Heartland to me.

To me, I think not trying to equal the rest of the regions makes less sense to me.  Sure, they eliminated really small regions, but they more or less moved the size around.  The large Mid-Atlantic is now replaced with a pretty large Great Lakes.

If you assume NE is going to be a large outlier, there could have been more of a push to equal out the others.

The CCC (my home conference) was in the Atlantic region for women's play when I was a student and it was very strange to basically never play teams actually from the region.  Back then the tournament was more structured by region with CCC teams always traveling to NJ in the post-season.

It would certainly be easier to move a conference over, but it would mess with the geography and it wouldn't necessarily help with the advantages the NE teams get from the geographic density.

[KnightSlappy]

Average number of "regionally ranked games played" by conference.

UAA      11.1
ODAC     10.2
CCIW     9.1
SUNYAC   8.9
NEWMAC   8.4
WIAC     8.2
CAC      8.1
NESCAC   7.1
MACC     6.9
NJAC     6.6
MIAC     6.4
LEC      6.4
E8       6.1
LAND     6.0
IIAC     5.5
CC       5.4
HCAC     5.2
NCAC     5.1
ASC      5.1
NWC      5.0
OAC      4.9
SKY      4.9
MIAA     4.9
PrAC     4.6
USAC     4.4
MASCAC   4.0
MACF     4.0
LL       3.7
CCC      3.4
CSAC     3.4
GNAC     2.9
MWC      2.7
SCIAC    2.6
GSAC     2.5
NECC     2.0
NEAC     1.7
CUNYAC   1.7
UMAC     1.6
SCAC     1.5
NAC      1.4
NATHC    1.3
IND      1.3
SLIAC    1.0
SAA      0.8
AMCC     0.7