Pool C

sac · January 21, 2014, 04:51:23 PM

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 21, 2014, 03:47:17 PM

●● Results versus ranked Division III teams as established at the time of selection.

does this mean we've done away with 'once ranked always ranked'?

Really need to release that final set of rankings to the public.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · January 21, 2014, 05:03:19 PM

They have done away with that... this may help you: http://youtu.be/tjqnwUNzwOk

And the men's committee would love to release the last rankings... but are not allowed by the NCAA.

KnightSlappy · January 22, 2014, 04:47:32 PM

According to the handbook, it looks like the SOS problem from last year has been fixed (as long as they apply the HAM to the percentage). As far as OWP/OOWP goes, the example clearly shows that the correct way is to calculate the OWP/OOWP as a percentage for each game and then average those percentages for the final OWP/OOWP.

The handbook does not seem mention the 70% in-region rule. It says 50%.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · January 22, 2014, 04:50:31 PM

Actually... that is a straight copy and paste from last year's handbook... so I am not sure if they have indeed fixed anything. I have asked and am awaiting word.

Gregory Sager · January 22, 2014, 05:47:14 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 22, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
According to the handbook, it looks like the SOS problem from last year has been fixed (as long as they apply the HAM to the percentage).

Works for me.

John Gleich · January 22, 2014, 10:31:37 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 22, 2014, 05:47:14 PM
Quote from: KnightSlappy on January 22, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
According to the handbook, it looks like the SOS problem from last year has been fixed (as long as they apply the HAM to the percentage).

Works for me.

I usually prefer about 10% more HAM.

Greek Tragedy · January 23, 2014, 12:36:58 AM

KnightSlappy · January 23, 2014, 10:39:16 AM

Time for some rankings chatter? Sure.

Mostly accurate through Wednesday. Sort is by RPI.

Seems to me that there are more .700's winning percentages than usual, but maybe I'm making that up.

RG   ##   WP     wSOS    wRPI    NAT   RRO   CONFER   TEAM
NE   01   0.933   0.593   0.678   002   0-0   NESCAC   Amherst
NE   02   0.750   0.579   0.621   012   0-0   NEWMAC   Babson
NE   03   0.750   0.574   0.618   014   0-0   LEC     Eastern Connecticut
NE   04   0.786   0.550   0.609   026   0-0   CCC     Salve Regina
NE   05   0.938   0.489   0.601   031   0-0   NEWMAC   WPI
NE   06   0.800   0.531   0.598   033   0-0   NESCAC   Williams
NE   07   0.933   0.484   0.596   035   0-0   NESCAC   Bowdoin
NE   08   0.688   0.562   0.593   038   0-0   NESCAC   Middlebury
NE   09   0.733   0.546   0.593   039   0-0   CCC     Nichols
NE   10   0.688   0.559   0.591   041   0-0   LEC     Rhode Island College
NE   11   1.000   0.445   0.584   052   0-0   GNAC    Albertus Magnus
NE   12   0.688   0.549   0.583   054   0-0   MASCAC   Salem State
NE   13   0.733   0.533   0.583   056   0-0   NEWMAC   Springfield
NE   14   0.538   0.591   0.578   061   0-0   NESCAC   Bates
NE   15   0.571   0.563   0.565   079   0-0   UAA     Brandeis
NE   16   0.923   0.438   0.559   088   0-0   NAC     Husson
NE   17   0.467   0.590   0.559   089   0-0   GNAC    St. Josephs (Maine)
NE   18   0.688   0.515   0.558   092   0-0   NECC    Southern Vermont
NE   19   0.588   0.530   0.545   114   0-0   MASCAC   Bridgewater State
NE   20   0.733   0.469   0.535   130   0-0   NEWMAC   MIT
RG   ##   WP     wSOS    wRPI    NAT   RRO   CONFER   TEAM
EA   01   0.917   0.571   0.657   004   0-0   SUNYAC   Brockport State
EA   02   0.786   0.583   0.633   007   0-0   SUNYAC   Plattsburgh State
EA   03   0.714   0.579   0.613   023   0-0   LL    Hobart
EA   04   0.833   0.532   0.607   028   0-0   SUNYAC   Geneseo State
EA   05   0.786   0.520   0.587   048   0-0   LL    Vassar
EA   06   0.500   0.600   0.575   065   0-0   SUNYAC   Buffalo State
EA   07   0.643   0.529   0.557   093   0-0   LL    Skidmore
EA   08   0.600   0.542   0.557   095   0-0   E8    Hartwick
EA   09   0.786   0.468   0.547   108   0-0   UAA     New York University
EA   10   0.538   0.545   0.543   115   0-0   UAA     Rochester
EA   11   0.571   0.525   0.537   125   0-0   SUNYAC   Oneonta State
EA   12   0.545   0.532   0.535   129   0-0   LL    Rochester Tech
EA   13   0.643   0.496   0.533   136   0-0   E8    St. John Fisher
EA   14   0.643   0.494   0.531   140   0-0   E8    Stevens
EA   15   0.692   0.454   0.514   169   0-0   E8    Nazareth
EA   16   0.600   0.484   0.513   172   0-0   SUNYAC   Cortland State
EA   17   0.688   0.453   0.512   180   0-0   SUNYAC   Oswego State
EA   18   0.455   0.523   0.506   191   0-0   LL    Clarkson
EA   19   0.636   0.455   0.500   198   0-0   E8    Alfred
EA   20   0.400   0.527   0.495   210   0-0   SUNYAC   New Paltz State
RG   ##   WP     wSOS    wRPI    NAT   RRO   CONFER   TEAM
AT   01   1.000   0.474   0.606   029   0-0   SKY     SUNY-Purchase
AT   02   0.813   0.527   0.598   034   0-0   NJAC    Richard Stockton
AT   03   0.824   0.496   0.578   062   0-0   NJAC    William Paterson
AT   04   0.875   0.471   0.572   072   0-0   CUNYAC   Staten Island
AT   05   0.625   0.549   0.568   077   0-0   CUNYAC   York (N.Y.)
AT   06   0.571   0.554   0.559   090   0-0   NJAC    Kean
AT   07   0.600   0.530   0.548   106   0-0   SKY     SUNY-Old Westbury
AT   08   0.733   0.483   0.545   113   0-0   SKY     Mount St. Mary
AT   09   0.706   0.488   0.543   116   0-0   NJAC    Rutgers-Newark
AT   10   0.588   0.517   0.535   131   0-0   CUNYAC   Baruch
AT   11   0.412   0.547   0.513   171   0-0   NJAC    Ramapo
AT   12   0.563   0.491   0.509   187   0-0   NJAC    New Jersey City
AT   13   0.438   0.516   0.496   209   0-0   NJAC    TCNJ
AT   14   0.714   0.422   0.495   212   0-0   SKY     Farmingdale State
AT   15   0.500   0.491   0.493   220   0-0   CUNYAC   Lehman
AT   16   0.308   0.539   0.481   245   0-0   NJAC    Montclair State
AT   17   0.333   0.528   0.480   248   0-0   CUNYAC   Brooklyn
AT   18   0.615   0.410   0.461   287   0-0   SKY     Sage
AT   19   0.545   0.427   0.457   293   0-0   IND     St. Josephs (Bklyn.)
AT   20   0.250   0.518   0.451   303   0-0   NJAC    Rowan
RG   ##   WP     wSOS    wRPI    NAT   RRO   CONFER   TEAM
MA   01   0.923   0.590   0.673   003   0-0   CAC     Wesley
MA   02   0.929   0.524   0.625   010   0-0   MACC    Messiah
MA   03   0.813   0.553   0.618   015   0-0   CC    Dickinson
MA   04   0.692   0.588   0.614   019   0-0   CAC     St. Marys (Md.)
MA   05   0.867   0.529   0.613   021   0-0   CAC     Mary Washington
MA   06   1.000   0.454   0.590   045   0-0   CSAC    Cabrini
MA   07   0.667   0.558   0.585   049   0-0   MACC    Alvernia
MA   08   0.733   0.534   0.584   053   0-0   LAND    Juniata
MA   09   0.714   0.540   0.583   055   0-0   CAC     Christopher Newport
MA   10   0.750   0.524   0.581   058   0-0   MACC    Stevenson
MA   11   0.733   0.528   0.579   060   0-0   MACC    Hood
MA   12   0.813   0.492   0.572   071   0-0   LAND    Scranton
MA   13   0.800   0.494   0.570   074   0-0   CC    McDaniel
MA   14   0.667   0.536   0.569   075   0-0   CSAC    Neumann
MA   15   0.733   0.513   0.568   076   0-0   LAND    Catholic
MA   16   0.357   0.628   0.561   085   0-0   MACC    Arcadia
MA   17   0.500   0.575   0.556   097   0-0   LAND    Drew
MA   18   0.786   0.479   0.555   098   0-0   CSAC    Gwynedd-Mercy
MA   19   0.563   0.542   0.547   107   0-0   MACC    Albright
MA   20   0.688   0.489   0.539   122   0-0   CC    Franklin and Marshall
RG   ##   WP     wSOS    wRPI    NAT   RRO   CONFER   TEAM
SO   01   0.750   0.585   0.626   009   0-0   ODAC    Randolph-Macon
SO   02   0.929   0.512   0.616   016   0-0   ASC     Texas-Dallas
SO   03   0.714   0.583   0.616   017   0-0   UAA     Emory
SO   04   0.923   0.485   0.594   036   0-0   SAA     Oglethorpe
SO   05   0.733   0.532   0.583   057   0-0   ODAC    Virginia Wesleyan
SO   06   0.714   0.530   0.576   063   0-0   ASC     Concordia (Texas)
SO   07   0.714   0.527   0.574   068   0-0   ODAC    Lynchburg
SO   08   0.600   0.554   0.566   078   0-0   SCAC    Schreiner
SO   09   0.750   0.501   0.563   082   0-0   ODAC    Guilford
SO   10   0.571   0.555   0.559   087   0-0   SAA     Birmingham-Southern
SO   11   0.583   0.540   0.551   101   0-0   ODAC    Bridgewater (Va.)
SO   12   0.800   0.466   0.550   105   0-0   SAA     Centre
SO   13   0.625   0.519   0.546   111   0-0   ODAC    Hampden-Sydney
SO   14   0.667   0.505   0.546   112   0-0   ASC     Louisiana College
SO   15   0.533   0.536   0.535   126   0-0   ASC     Mary Hardin-Baylor
SO   16   0.692   0.483   0.535   128   0-0   USAC    Maryville (Tenn.)
SO   17   0.533   0.529   0.530   143   0-0   ODAC    Randolph
SO   18   0.500   0.540   0.530   144   0-0   ODAC    Eastern Mennonite
SO   19   0.571   0.513   0.527   149   0-0   USAC    LaGrange
SO   20   0.643   0.485   0.525   155   0-0   SLIAC    Spalding
RG   ##   WP     wSOS    wRPI    NAT   RRO   CONFER   TEAM
GL   01   1.000   0.538   0.654   005   0-0   NCAC    Wooster
GL   02   0.813   0.544   0.611   024   0-0   NCAC    Ohio Wesleyan
GL   03   0.643   0.597   0.608   027   0-0   MIAA    Hope
GL   04   0.733   0.560   0.603   030   0-0   NCAC    DePauw
GL   05   0.733   0.555   0.600   032   0-0   OAC     Marietta
GL   06   0.923   0.480   0.591   042   0-0   PrAC    St. Vincent
GL   07   0.750   0.538   0.591   043   0-0   PrAC    Bethany
GL   08   0.643   0.559   0.580   059   0-0   OAC     Wilmington
GL   09   0.867   0.479   0.576   064   0-0   AMCC    Penn State-Behrend
GL   10   0.813   0.495   0.574   067   0-0   NCAC    Wittenberg
GL   11   0.813   0.493   0.573   069   0-0   OAC     Mount Union
GL   12   0.563   0.574   0.571   073   0-0   OAC     Baldwin Wallace
GL   13   0.615   0.547   0.564   080   0-0   UAA     Carnegie Mellon
GL   14   0.688   0.511   0.555   099   0-0   OAC     John Carroll
GL   15   0.643   0.509   0.543   117   0-0   UAA     Case Western Reserve
GL   16   0.583   0.523   0.538   123   0-0   PrAC    Grove City
GL   17   0.500   0.540   0.530   145   0-0   OAC     Ohio Northern
GL   18   0.438   0.557   0.527   150   0-0   OAC     Capital
GL   19   0.750   0.452   0.526   152   0-0   MIAA    Calvin
GL   20   0.500   0.524   0.518   164   0-0   NCAC    Denison
RG   ##   WP     wSOS    wRPI    NAT   RRO   CONFER   TEAM
MW   01   0.882   0.559   0.640   006   0-0   CCIW    Illinois Wesleyan
MW   02   0.882   0.535   0.622   011   0-0   CCIW    Augustana
MW   03   0.647   0.602   0.613   022   0-0   CCIW    Wheaton (Ill.)
MW   04   0.857   0.527   0.609   025   0-0   UAA     Washington U.
MW   05   0.667   0.569   0.594   037   0-0   CCIW    Carthage
MW   06   0.929   0.470   0.585   050   0-0   MWC     St. Norbert
MW   07   0.750   0.529   0.584   051   0-0   HCAC    Rose-Hulman
MW   08   0.615   0.561   0.574   066   0-0   UAA     Chicago
MW   09   0.667   0.542   0.573   070   0-0   HCAC    Mount St. Joseph
MW   10   0.765   0.495   0.562   083   0-0   NATHC    Marian
MW   11   0.688   0.519   0.561   084   0-0   CCIW    Elmhurst
MW   12   0.643   0.528   0.557   094   0-0   MWC     Ripon
MW   13   0.765   0.487   0.556   096   0-0   NATHC    Milwaukee Engineering
MW   14   0.688   0.504   0.550   104   0-0   HCAC    Hanover
MW   15   0.667   0.507   0.547   109   0-0   NATHC    Aurora
MW   16   0.750   0.478   0.546   110   0-0   NATHC    Lakeland
MW   17   0.786   0.461   0.542   118   0-0   HCAC    Defiance
MW   18   0.429   0.577   0.540   120   0-0   CCIW    North Central (Ill.)
MW   19   0.833   0.436   0.535   127   0-0   SLIAC    MacMurray
MW   20   0.563   0.509   0.522   157   0-0   NATHC    Edgewood
RG   ##   WP     wSOS    wRPI    NAT   RRO   CONFER   TEAM
WE   01   1.000   0.578   0.683   001   0-0   WIAC    UW-Stevens Point
WE   02   0.824   0.565   0.630   008   0-0   WIAC    UW-Whitewater
WE   03   0.818   0.554   0.620   013   0-0   SCAC    Colorado College
WE   04   0.813   0.548   0.614   018   0-0   MIAC    St. Thomas
WE   05   0.750   0.569   0.614   020   0-0   MIAC    St. Olaf
WE   06   1.000   0.457   0.593   040   0-0   IIAC    Dubuque
WE   07   0.750   0.537   0.590   044   0-0   NWC     Whitworth
WE   08   0.643   0.572   0.590   046   0-0   WIAC    UW-La Crosse
WE   09   0.625   0.574   0.587   047   0-0   WIAC    UW-Platteville
WE   10   0.688   0.523   0.564   081   0-0   MIAC    Augsburg
WE   11   0.667   0.523   0.559   086   0-0   NWC     Pacific
WE   12   0.667   0.522   0.558   091   0-0   IIAC    Loras
WE   13   0.818   0.467   0.555   100   0-0   SCIAC    Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
WE   14   0.800   0.468   0.551   102   0-0   SCIAC    Pomona-Pitzer
WE   15   0.692   0.504   0.551   103   0-0   IIAC    Buena Vista
WE   16   0.667   0.500   0.542   119   0-0   IIAC    Central
WE   17   0.688   0.490   0.540   121   0-0   MIAC    Gustavus Adolphus
WE   18   0.500   0.546   0.534   132   0-0   IIAC    Wartburg
WE   19   0.889   0.416   0.534   133   0-0   NWC     Lewis and Clark
WE   20   0.429   0.566   0.532   138   0-0   WIAC    UW-Oshkosh
RG   ##   WP     wSOS    wRPI    NAT   RRO   CONFER   TEAM
B    01   0.923   0.485   0.594   036   0-0   SAA     Oglethorpe
B    02   0.571   0.555   0.559   087   0-0   SAA     Birmingham-Southern
B    03   0.800   0.466   0.550   105   0-0   SAA     Centre
B    04   0.400   0.553   0.515   167   0-0   IND     Maine-Presque Isle
B    05   0.667   0.448   0.503   196   0-0   SAA     Rhodes

Pat Coleman · January 28, 2014, 12:43:34 PM

Not sure which board this was being discussed on most recently but here is the list of basketball waivers for this season:

Calvin College – men's basketball.
North Central College – men's basketball.
Olivet College – men's basketball.
Pacific Lutheran University – women's basketball.
Pine Manor College – women's basketball.
Salem College – women's basketball.
St. Joseph's College (Brooklyn) – men's and women's basketball.
Trinity Washington University – women's basketball.
Wesleyan College – women's basketball. (The one in Georgia)
William Peace University – men's basketball.

Greek Tragedy · January 28, 2014, 01:14:12 PM

Knightslappy,

Is that posted on your website? Saw eff. ranking for 12/18/13.

John Gleich · January 28, 2014, 01:32:30 PM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 28, 2014, 01:14:12 PM
Knightslappy,

Is that posted on your website? Saw eff. ranking for 12/18/13.

The one above it more recent... from just under a week ago (after Wed's games).

I started going through and picking out the highest rated RPI from each conference... but didn't finish.

ronk · January 28, 2014, 02:39:05 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2014, 12:43:34 PM
Not sure which board this was being discussed on most recently but here is the list of basketball waivers for this season:

Calvin College – men's basketball.
North Central College – men's basketball.
Olivet College – men's basketball.
Pacific Lutheran University – women's basketball.
Pine Manor College – women's basketball.
Salem College – women's basketball.
St. Joseph's College (Brooklyn) – men's and women's basketball.
Trinity Washington University – women's basketball.
Wesleyan College – women's basketball. (The one in Georgia)
William Peace University – men's basketball.

For clarity, does the waiver mean that all their games are considered in-region? Separately, do we have a list of those which didn't meet the 70% minimum and don't have a waiver?

KnightSlappy · January 28, 2014, 03:03:43 PM

Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 28, 2014, 01:14:12 PM
Knightslappy,

Is that posted on your website? Saw eff. ranking for 12/18/13.

Updated numbers have not been posted. Hopefully I'll have both efficiency rankings and RPI rankings updated on the site after this upcoming weekend. Maybe I'll post an RPI update after Wednesday.

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · January 28, 2014, 03:04:53 PM

ronk - it means all of their games will be allowed to be counted as regional games. However, I believe this is a one-year thing.

Pat Coleman · January 28, 2014, 03:43:46 PM

Sorry, there is more I did not catch the first time through.

Finlandia men and women
TLU men and women
UMPI men and women
NWU men and women
UCSC men and women

Hope men were denied a waiver. Luckily, they don't need one because they found 18 games. But I find this intriguing considering the discussions we've had on this board for years:

"Hope College – In-Region Competition Waiver Request. The committee did not
approve a request from Hope College to waive the in-region competition requirement for
the sport of men's basketball for the 2013-14 season. In its discussion, the committee
noted the apparent access to in-region opponents for the institution, as well as the late
submission of the waiver request."

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/March%2BTeleconference%2Bwith%2BAttachment%2BPOST.pdf