Pool C

[KnightSlappy]

So do either have a good shot, shot or no shot at a Pool C bid?

I have Centre as bubble-in and Oglethorpe as bubble-out currently.

Which is to say, the best way for them to both get is is probably for Oglethorpe (one of the few teams who don't need to lose to gain a Pool C) to win out, but for Centre to still win the Pool B bid.

[KnightSlappy]

Do I have it right that next year the CCIW and WIAC will be in the same region?

Yes, my understanding is that they will both be in the newly dubbed "Central" Region, just like on the Women's side.

So yeah, CCIW, WIAC, and Wash U in one region. Good luck everybody else (though the HCAC moves to the GL, so that will clear things out a little).

[sac]

1 Washington U. 18-2 18-2
2 Illinois Wesleyan 18-3 18-3
3 Wheaton (Ill.) 16-6 16-6
4 Augustana 16-6 16-6
5 St. Norbert 17-1 18-1
6 Carthage 13-7 14-8
8 Milwaukee School of Engineering 18-4 18-4

Just have to squeeze these two in there, should be no problem.
1 UW-Stevens Point 20-1 20-1
2 UW-Whitewater 19-3 19-3


Imagine what it will look like in years the WIAC has 3 good teams or if Chicago gets back on the national scene.  We've even had years the MWC has had two good teams.

[Titan Q]

1 Washington U. 18-2 18-2
2 Illinois Wesleyan 18-3 18-3
3 Wheaton (Ill.) 16-6 16-6
4 Augustana 16-6 16-6
5 St. Norbert 17-1 18-1
6 Carthage 13-7 14-8
8 Milwaukee School of Engineering 18-4 18-4

Just have to squeeze these two in there, should be no problem.
1 UW-Stevens Point 20-1 20-1
2 UW-Whitewater 19-3 19-3


Imagine what it will look like in years the WIAC has 3 good teams or if Chicago gets back on the national scene.  We've even had years the MWC has had two good teams.

And Chicago could be good next year - they have some really good young talent.

I just don't understand why they would do this.

[WUPHF]

I am going to start applying for jobs at Whitworth... 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Remember... Centre and Oglethorpe get a chance at the lone Pool B as KnightSlappy shows... if he thinks Centre is a Pool C bubble-in and Oglethorpe is a Pool C bubble-out... you can pretty much assume Centre is ahead of Oglethorpe in Pool B as well .

And yes... WIAC moves to the Central which already seems to be fine on the women's side. Makes more sense anyway.

[Titan Q]

And yes... WIAC moves to the Central which already seems to be fine on the women's side. Makes more sense anyway.

It makes sense to have 2 of the top conferences in the same region?  (In addition to the best program in another top conference - Wash U.)

[Greek Tragedy]

Does the West simply lose 9 WIAC teams? Is there a link or something that shows the complete realignment?

[KnightSlappy]

Does the West simply lose 9 WIAC teams? Is there a link or something that shows the complete realignment?

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2013/02/regional-realignment-coming

And yes... WIAC moves to the Central which already seems to be fine on the women's side. Makes more sense anyway.

It makes sense to have 2 of the top conferences in the same region?  (In addition to the best program in another top conference - Wash U.)

If you're going to be regional, you have to be regional. It doesn't make sense to group one part of the country by 2014 competitiveness.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yeah it makes sense... it also evens out regions by numbers and makes the regions for both men and women identical. There are big shifts on the east coast as well (except the Northeast where - it's impossible). This has been talked about for years and I knew the WIAC was going to move... they finally just made it happen and pulled the trigger a year ago.

[bopol]

If they got rid of the regional rankings and changed how the selection process was made, it wouldn't be an issue, but there is a likelihood that deserving Pool C candidates will not even be regionally ranked (hurting even those who are ranked).

I predict this will be messy.

[Titan Q]

If they got rid of the regional rankings and changed how the selection process was made, it wouldn't be an issue, but there is a likelihood that deserving Pool C candidates will not even be regionally ranked (hurting even those who are ranked).

I predict this will be messy.

This is the problem I see.  It seems like there will be Central Region Pool C candidates that would be competitive in the late rounds of the selection process against teams from other regions that will never get considered...because they're not regionally ranked.

And then the issue of impact to RRO - seems pretty significant.

The CCIW and WIAC regularly produce 3 NCAA tournament caliber teams, and often 4.  Throw in Wash U and the top MWC team and that's just a really crowded picture.

[Pat Coleman]

If they got rid of the regional rankings and changed how the selection process was made, it wouldn't be an issue, but there is a likelihood that deserving Pool C candidates will not even be regionally ranked (hurting even those who are ranked).

I predict this will be messy.

This is the problem I see.  It seems like there will be Central Region Pool C candidates that would be competitive in the late rounds of the selection process against teams from other regions that will never get considered...because they're not regionally ranked.

The year the WIAC got four teams in on the women's side, one of them was not regionally ranked, even in the final unpublished ranking, and still got in the field. We know this because there were more at-large Central Region teams chosen than spots in the ranking.

Being regionally ranked is actually not a prerequisite for selection. Remember each committee chair goes into the selection call with a list of several more teams ordered below the regional ranking cutoff in case they are needed on the board.

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

If they got rid of the regional rankings and changed how the selection process was made, it wouldn't be an issue, but there is a likelihood that deserving Pool C candidates will not even be regionally ranked (hurting even those who are ranked).

I predict this will be messy.

This is the problem I see.  It seems like there will be Central Region Pool C candidates that would be competitive in the late rounds of the selection process against teams from other regions that will never get considered...because they're not regionally ranked.

And then the issue of impact to RRO - seems pretty significant.

The CCIW and WIAC regularly produce 3 NCAA tournament caliber teams, and often 4.  Throw in Wash U and the top MWC team and that's just a really crowded picture.

Imagine if a committee member said something silly like you won't get 5 at large teams from the same region. A comment like that would never happen in D3... right football fans?

[KnightSlappy]

If they got rid of the regional rankings and changed how the selection process was made, it wouldn't be an issue, but there is a likelihood that deserving Pool C candidates will not even be regionally ranked (hurting even those who are ranked).

I predict this will be messy.

This is the problem I see.  It seems like there will be Central Region Pool C candidates that would be competitive in the late rounds of the selection process against teams from other regions that will never get considered...because they're not regionally ranked.

And then the issue of impact to RRO - seems pretty significant.

The CCIW and WIAC regularly produce 3 NCAA tournament caliber teams, and often 4.  Throw in Wash U and the top MWC team and that's just a really crowded picture.

This is one of the reasons why I don't like "results versus regionally ranked opponents. Especially when we're talking national selection across regions of different quality and with different number of teams (and ranked teams). It's just not as informative as it appears to be.