Pool C

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RPI Rankings Through Sunday. vRRO based on last week's rankings.

RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
NE   01   0.917   0.580   0.664   003   A      22-2    8-0   NESCAC   Amherst
NE   02   0.875   0.549   0.631   006   C      21-3    4-2   NESCAC   Williams
NE   03   0.800   0.563   0.622   011   C      20-5    3-4   NEWMAC   Babson
NE   04   0.800   0.544   0.608   019   A      20-5    3-3   LEC      Eastern Connecticut
NE   05   0.880   0.517   0.608   020   A      22-3    3-1   NEWMAC   WPI
NE   06   0.750   0.556   0.604   025   C      18-6    1-4   NEWMAC   Springfield
NE   07   0.958   0.476   0.597   029   A      23-1    1-0   GNAC     Albertus Magnus
NE   08   0.792   0.530   0.595   032   C      19-5    1-3   NESCAC   Bowdoin
NE   09   0.800   0.516   0.587   042   A      20-5    0-2   CCC      Nichols
NE   10   0.667   0.555   0.583   049   C      16-8    2-4   NESCAC   Middlebury
NE   11   0.680   0.548   0.581   053   C      17-8    0-3   LEC      Rhode Island College
ne   12   0.917   0.446   0.563   074   A      22-2    1-0   NAC      Husson
ne   13   0.667   0.521   0.557   080   A      16-8    1-3   MASCAC   Salem State
ne   14   0.500   0.574   0.556   083   C      12-12   0-8   UAA      Brandeis
ne   15   0.739   0.492   0.554   085   C      17-6    1-2   GNAC     Johnson and Wales
ne   16   0.680   0.496   0.542   113   C      17-8    2-5   NEWMAC   MIT
ne   17   0.667   0.497   0.540   122   C      16-8    0-5   LEC      Western Connecticut
ne   18   0.500   0.552   0.539   125   C      11-11   1-5   NESCAC   Colby
ne   19   0.545   0.535   0.538   128   C      12-10   1-5   NESCAC   Trinity (Conn.)
ne   20   0.720   0.474   0.535   133   C      18-7    1-2   NAC      Castleton State
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
EA   01   0.875   0.542   0.625   009   A      21-3    3-2   SUNYAC   Brockport State
EA   02   0.840   0.534   0.610   017   C      21-4    3-3   SUNYAC   Plattsburgh State
EA   03   0.792   0.545   0.606   021   C      19-5    2-3   SUNYAC   Geneseo State
EA   04   0.667   0.548   0.577   056   C      16-8    0-5   UAA      New York University
EA   05   0.760   0.512   0.574   061   A      19-6    0-1   LL       Hobart
EA   06   0.640   0.528   0.556   081   C      16-9    2-4   LL       Skidmore
ea   07   0.714   0.503   0.556   082   A      15-6    0-3   E8       Nazareth
ea   08   0.652   0.517   0.551   090   C      15-8    1-2   E8       Stevens
ea   09   0.640   0.517   0.548   099   C      16-9    2-4   SUNYAC   Oswego State
ea   10   0.720   0.490   0.548   102   C      18-7    0-2   LL       Vassar
ea   11   0.609   0.526   0.547   104   C      14-9    2-3   E8       St. John Fisher
ea   12   0.609   0.516   0.539   124   C      14-9    2-3   E8       Hartwick
ea   13   0.391   0.584   0.535   132   C      9-14    2-6   UAA      Rochester
ea   14   0.609   0.507   0.533   140   C      14-9    1-2   LL       Clarkson
ea   15   0.480   0.547   0.531   147   C      12-13   1-7   SUNYAC   Buffalo State
ea   16   0.560   0.512   0.524   160   C      14-11   1-5   SUNYAC   Cortland State
ea   17   0.625   0.485   0.520   167   C      15-9    0-4   LL       Rochester Tech
ea   18   0.480   0.528   0.516   176   C      12-13   0-6   SUNYAC   Oneonta State
ea   19   0.650   0.466   0.512   187   C      13-7    1-1   E8       Alfred
ea   20   0.652   0.446   0.498   213   C      15-8    0-2   NEAC     Morrisville State
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
AT   01   0.920   0.506   0.610   018   A      23-2    4-1   SKY      SUNY-Purchase
AT   02   0.840   0.528   0.606   022   A      21-4    3-2   NJAC     Richard Stockton
AT   03   0.923   0.477   0.589   039   A      24-2    0-0   CUNYAC   Staten Island
AT   04   0.800   0.511   0.583   048   C      20-5    2-2   NJAC     William Paterson
AT   05   0.731   0.523   0.575   060   C      19-7    3-2   NJAC     Rutgers-Newark
AT   06   0.800   0.485   0.564   073   C      20-5    0-4   SKY      Mount St. Mary
at   07   0.720   0.490   0.548   100   C      18-7    0-4   CUNYAC   York (N.Y.)
at   08   0.542   0.536   0.538   129   C      13-11   2-7   NJAC     Kean
at   09   0.520   0.511   0.513   183   C      13-12   2-6   NJAC     New Jersey City
at   10   0.560   0.497   0.512   185   C      14-11   0-6   SKY      SUNY-Old Westbury
at   11   0.680   0.456   0.512   189   C      17-8    0-5   SKY      Farmingdale State
at   12   0.560   0.493   0.510   193   C      14-11   0-4   CUNYAC   Baruch
at   13   0.391   0.548   0.509   195   C      9-14    2-8   NJAC     Montclair State
at   14   0.480   0.512   0.504   202   C      12-13   2-4   CUNYAC   Brooklyn
at   15   0.435   0.522   0.500   209   C      10-13   1-3   LAND     Merchant Marine
at   16   0.565   0.475   0.497   214   C      13-10   0-4   SKY      Sage
at   17   0.360   0.527   0.485   240   C      9-16    1-7   NJAC     Ramapo
at   18   0.381   0.519   0.484   243   C      8-13    0-6   NJAC     Rowan
at   19   0.478   0.486   0.484   244   C      11-12   0-5   CUNYAC   Lehman
at   20   0.435   0.489   0.475   269   C      10-13   0-4   CUNYAC   Hunter
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
MA   01   0.880   0.544   0.628   008   A      22-3    2-1   LAND     Scranton
MA   02   0.958   0.505   0.619   014   A      23-1    2-0   CSAC     Cabrini
MA   03   0.909   0.520   0.617   015   A      20-2    3-0   CAC      Wesley
MA   04   0.792   0.527   0.593   033   C      19-5    3-4   MACC     Messiah
MA   05   0.783   0.529   0.592   035   C      18-5    1-2   CAC      Mary Washington
MA   06   0.800   0.522   0.592   036   A      20-5    2-1   CC       Dickinson
MA   07   0.682   0.557   0.588   040   C      15-7    1-5   CAC      St. Marys (Md.)
MA   08   0.720   0.541   0.586   045   A      18-7    4-4   MACC     Alvernia
MA   09   0.652   0.553   0.578   055   C      15-8    3-4   CAC      Christopher Newport
ma   10   0.720   0.522   0.572   065   C      18-7    5-3   MACC     Stevenson
ma   11   0.708   0.504   0.555   084   C      17-7    1-3   CSAC     Neumann
ma   12   0.783   0.475   0.552   089   C      18-5    0-2   CSAC     Gwynedd-Mercy
ma   13   0.708   0.498   0.551   091   C      17-7    0-3   CC       McDaniel
ma   14   0.680   0.507   0.550   093   C      17-8    2-1   CC       Franklin and Marshall
ma   15   0.625   0.522   0.548   101   C      15-9    2-4   MACC     Hood
ma   16   0.583   0.535   0.547   103   C      14-10   0-5   CC       Johns Hopkins
ma   17   0.583   0.535   0.547   105   C      14-10   2-1   LAND     Juniata
ma   18   0.591   0.528   0.544   110   C      13-9    0-2   LAND     Susquehanna
ma   19   0.583   0.528   0.542   114   C      14-10   0-5   LAND     Catholic
ma   20   0.625   0.513   0.541   118   C      15-9    1-2   CC       Muhlenberg
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
SO   01   0.708   0.596   0.624   010   C      17-7    2-4   UAA      Emory
SO   02   0.800   0.559   0.619   013   A      20-5    3-3   ODAC     Randolph-Macon
SO   03   0.750   0.545   0.597   030   C      18-6    3-2   ODAC     Virginia Wesleyan
SO   04   0.850   0.510   0.595   031   B      17-3    2-1   SAA      Centre
SO   05   0.880   0.494   0.591   037   A      22-3    1-1   ASC      Texas-Dallas
SO   06   0.640   0.555   0.576   059   C      16-9    6-3   SAA      Birmingham-Southern
SO   07   0.680   0.535   0.571   066   C      17-8    1-5   ODAC     Guilford
SO   08   0.640   0.543   0.567   069   A      16-9    3-3   SCAC     Trinity (Texas)
so   09   0.773   0.492   0.562   076   A      17-5    0-3   USAC     Maryville (Tenn.)
so   10   0.739   0.502   0.561   078   C      17-6    2-2   SAA      Oglethorpe
so   11   0.520   0.560   0.550   092   C      13-12   2-7   ODAC     Hampden-Sydney
so   12   0.708   0.496   0.549   095   C      17-7    1-1   ASC      Hardin-Simmons
so   13   0.652   0.508   0.544   109   C      15-8    0-5   ODAC     Lynchburg
so   14   0.680   0.497   0.543   111   C      17-8    2-2   ASC      Mary Hardin-Baylor
so   15   0.583   0.527   0.541   116   C      14-10   4-0   SCAC     Schreiner
so   16   0.565   0.531   0.539   123   C      13-10   3-2   ODAC     Eastern Mennonite
so   17   0.696   0.481   0.535   134   A      16-7    0-2   SLIAC    Spalding
so   18   0.625   0.501   0.532   144   C      15-9    1-3   ASC      Concordia (Texas)
so   19   0.524   0.534   0.532   146   C      11-10   2-3   ODAC     Bridgewater (Va.)
so   20   0.583   0.513   0.530   148   C      14-10   0-6   ODAC     Randolph
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
GL   01   0.913   0.534   0.629   007   A      21-2    5-1   NCAC     Wooster
GL   02   0.783   0.544   0.604   026   A      18-5    2-4   MIAA     Hope
GL   03   0.750   0.534   0.588   041   C      18-6    0-4   OAC      Marietta
GL   04   0.833   0.504   0.587   043   A      20-4    1-0   PrAC     Bethany
GL   05   0.760   0.528   0.586   044   C      19-6    2-3   NCAC     Ohio Wesleyan
GL   06   0.800   0.510   0.583   050   A      20-5    2-1   OAC      Mount Union
GL   07   0.708   0.539   0.581   052   C      17-7    4-4   NCAC     DePauw
gl   08   0.760   0.511   0.574   062   C      19-6    2-3   NCAC     Wittenberg
gl   09   0.652   0.533   0.563   075   C      15-8    1-4   OAC      Wilmington
gl   10   0.640   0.533   0.560   079   C      16-9    2-3   OAC      Ohio Northern
gl   11   0.840   0.456   0.552   086   A      21-4    1-0   AMCC     Penn State-Behrend
gl   12   0.810   0.464   0.550   094   C      17-4    1-3   MIAA     Calvin
gl   13   0.762   0.473   0.545   108   C      16-5    1-1   PrAC     St. Vincent
gl   14   0.542   0.543   0.543   112   C      13-11   2-5   UAA      Case Western Reserve
gl   15   0.542   0.534   0.536   131   C      13-11   1-4   PrAC     Thomas More
gl   16   0.520   0.540   0.535   135   C      13-12   0-6   OAC      Baldwin Wallace
gl   17   0.600   0.507   0.530   150   C      15-10   0-5   OAC      John Carroll
gl   18   0.480   0.545   0.529   152   C      12-13   2-4   OAC      Capital
gl   19   0.739   0.455   0.526   156   C      17-6    0-0   AMCC     Hilbert
gl   20   0.435   0.556   0.526   158   C      10-13   1-5   UAA      Carnegie Mellon
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
MW   01   0.917   0.589   0.671   002   A      22-2    6-2   UAA      Washington U.
MW   02   0.880   0.554   0.635   005   A      22-3    6-2   CCIW     Illinois Wesleyan
MW   03   0.955   0.510   0.621   012   A      21-1    0-1   MWC      St. Norbert
MW   04   0.680   0.592   0.614   016   C      17-8    5-5   CCIW     Wheaton (Ill.)
MW   05   0.652   0.590   0.605   023   C      15-8    4-6   CCIW     Carthage
MW   06   0.760   0.551   0.603   028   C      19-6    4-3   CCIW     Augustana
MW   07   0.800   0.513   0.585   046   A      20-5    0-1   HCAC     Rose-Hulman
MW   08   0.609   0.574   0.582   051   C      14-9    3-6   UAA      Chicago
mw   09   0.760   0.511   0.573   063   A      19-6    1-1   NATHC    Marian
mw   10   0.826   0.486   0.571   067   C      19-4    0-3   HCAC     Defiance
mw   11   0.808   0.491   0.571   068   C      21-5    0-0   NATHC    Milwaukee Engineering
mw   12   0.500   0.589   0.566   071   C      11-11   3-7   CCIW     North Central (Ill.)
mw   13   0.692   0.518   0.561   077   C      18-8    0-3   NATHC    Aurora
mw   14   0.720   0.496   0.552   087   C      18-7    1-1   NATHC    Lakeland
mw   15   0.680   0.509   0.552   088   C      17-8    1-3   HCAC     Hanover
mw   16   0.667   0.510   0.549   096   C      16-8    1-2   HCAC     Mount St. Joseph
mw   17   0.583   0.537   0.549   097   C      14-10   2-6   CCIW     Elmhurst
mw   18   0.652   0.511   0.546   106   C      15-8    0-2   MWC      Ripon
mw   19   0.762   0.473   0.545   107   C      16-5    0-2   MWC      Grinnell
mw   20   0.652   0.499   0.538   130   C      15-8    1-3   MWC      Carroll
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
WE   01   0.960   0.579   0.674   001   A      24-1    5-1   WIAC     UW-Stevens Point
WE   02   0.880   0.563   0.642   004   C      22-3    4-1   WIAC     UW-Whitewater
WE   03   0.840   0.527   0.605   024   A      21-4    4-2   MIAC     St. Thomas
WE   04   0.800   0.538   0.604   027   C      20-5    1-5   MIAC     St. Olaf
WE   05   0.800   0.524   0.593   034   A      20-5    0-3   NWC      Whitworth
WE   06   0.818   0.513   0.589   038   C      18-4    1-0   IIAC     Dubuque
WE   07   0.850   0.495   0.584   047   A      17-3    1-1   SCIAC    Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
WE   08   0.636   0.560   0.579   054   C      14-8    1-4   WIAC     UW-La Crosse
we   09   0.700   0.536   0.577   057   C      14-6    2-1   SCAC     Colorado College
we   10   0.783   0.508   0.577   058   C      18-5    1-0   SCIAC    Pomona-Pitzer
we   11   0.583   0.570   0.573   064   C      14-10   1-7   WIAC     UW-Platteville
we   12   0.720   0.516   0.567   070   C      18-7    1-4   MIAC     Augsburg
we   13   0.762   0.500   0.565   072   A      16-5    1-2   IIAC     Central
we   14   0.625   0.523   0.549   098   C      15-9    3-4   MIAC     St. Johns
we   15   0.500   0.555   0.541   115   C      11-11   1-4   WIAC     UW-Stout
we   16   0.640   0.508   0.541   117   C      16-9    1-5   MIAC     Gustavus Adolphus
we   17   0.478   0.562   0.541   119   C      11-12   0-7   WIAC     UW-Oshkosh
we   18   0.640   0.507   0.540   121   C      16-9    0-4   NWC      Whitman
we   19   0.684   0.490   0.538   126   C      13-6    1-1   NWC      Lewis and Clark
we   20   0.571   0.527   0.538   127   C      12-9    0-2   IIAC     Luther
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
B    01   0.850   0.510   0.595   031   B      17-3    2-1   SAA      Centre
b    02   0.640   0.555   0.576   059   C      16-9    6-3   SAA      Birmingham-Southern
b    03   0.739   0.502   0.561   078   C      17-6    2-2   SAA      Oglethorpe
b    04   0.560   0.500   0.515   177   C      14-11   0-5   SAA      Rhodes
                              
Regions are sorted by RPI                              
RPI isn't an actual selection criterion                              
Pool A designates AQ conference leader (using RPI as tiebreaker)                              
Adjust accordingly for results vs. regionally ranked opponents                              

Can you explain what this means? What does "NAT" stand for? What criteria is used to determine tourney hosting? What does vRRO and RPI signify? What is most important to the NCAA? Will they choose more Pool A or Pool C teams to host? Or does it not matter?

[KnightSlappy]

Can you explain what this means?

It's a loose approximation of the regional rankings using RPI as a guide.

What does "NAT" stand for?

National RPI Rank.

What criteria is used to determine tourney hosting?

Same criteria as for the regional rankings and selection, but geography plays heavily into the hosting decision (i.e. they try as much as possible to keep teams within 500 miles to save on $$).

Here is a good FAQ from D3hoops.com:
http://d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament#seed (just replace versus 'regional competition' with 'all Division III opponents')

What does vRRO and RPI signify?

vRRO is shorthand for results "versus regionally ranked opponents". RPI is a standard way for combining winning percentage and strength of schedule, but it isn't actually used by the Division III selection committee.

What is most important to the NCAA?

That the status quo is maintained.

Will they choose more Pool A or Pool C teams to host? Or does it not matter?

Pool doesn't matter for hosting.

[AO]

Quick Quiz:
Which team has the better SOS?
Team A:
Road vs. 20-0
Road vs. 10-17
Road vs  7-20

Team B:
Road vs. 17-5
Home vs. 10-17
Home vs. 7-20

Time's Up.

These two teams have the same OWP according to NCAA calculations.

[NEHoopsFan99]

Thank you KnightSlappy! Very informative. So what criteria (since they don't use RPI) does the ncaa use to seed the teams nationally? Is it some calculation similar to RPI? Then..could we assume the teams that will host will likely be the top 16 teams on the national level (with a few outliers due to geography issues)? Does the NAT RPI ranking listed above give a good picture of what teams will host? Or am I assuming too much?

Oh also how do they deal with distributing the regions when there are a disproportionate number of good teams in one area and few in other regions? I.e. Will they have exactly 2 teams from each region host or could there be 3 hosting from one region and only 1 hosting in another?

[Pat Coleman]

There is definitely a chance more than two teams in any given region will host. Partially dependent, as you said, on where the "good" teams are but also based on where there are just plain more teams. You need more than two hosts in New England in any given year, for example.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Pool doesn't matter for hosting.

That's not entirely true.  It isn't high in their calculations and there's nothing official denoting it, but there are times when they'll give hosting to a Pool A over a Pool C if geography and rankings are close enough to allow for a decision.

It's rare, but it certainly has come into play from time to time.

Just as a "for instance" - there are plenty of occasions in which Williams and Amherst are virtually identical as candidates (maybe not this year, but often), when one beats the other in the NESCAC final to even the season series at 1-1.  They'll usually go with the Pool A over the Pool C in that instance.

But in the grand scheme of things, it's not worth worrying about.

[KnightSlappy]

Pool doesn't matter for hosting.

That's not entirely true.  It isn't high in their calculations and there's nothing official denoting it, but there are times when they'll give hosting to a Pool A over a Pool C if geography and rankings are close enough to allow for a decision.

It's rare, but it certainly has come into play from time to time.

Just as a "for instance" - there are plenty of occasions in which Williams and Amherst are virtually identical as candidates (maybe not this year, but often), when one beats the other in the NESCAC final to even the season series at 1-1.  They'll usually go with the Pool A over the Pool C in that instance.

But in the grand scheme of things, it's not worth worrying about.

But where did they end up in the final regional rankings (now hidden)? Geography being equal, they're not going to pass over the NE #2 to allow the NE #3 to host just because #3 was a Pool A winner.

[NEHoopsFan99]

So if RPI is close to the formula used to determine hosting wouldn't the host teams be pretty close the following:

Amherst
Williams
Babson

Brockport State

Scranton
Cabrini
Wesley

Emory
Randolph-Macon

Wooster

Wash U
Illinois Wesleyan
St Norbert
Wheaton (Ill)

UWSP
UWW

Would this 16 make sense? Could there be 3 NE, and 4 MW and 0 Atlantic hosts? Will they really try to get #1-16 in the country by their criteria to host 1st and 2nd rounds?
For example in the NE, what teams do you think will actually end up hosting?

[Just Bill]

You're kind of doing it backwards if you are trying to pick the hosts before you pick all 62 teams. The geographic component is such a big part of it. You could have a fantastic undefeated team, but if no other tournament teams are located within 500 miles, they ain't going to host.

[NEHoopsFan99]

Personally I don't understand why Emory's RPI is so high, in fact it's uncertain if they'll even make the tourney. I imagine it would be far more likely that St. Thomas would host. Other than that do you think a clear host team is missing?

[KnightSlappy]

Personally I don't understand why Emory's RPI is so high, in fact it's uncertain if they'll even make the tourney. I imagine it would be far more likely that St. Thomas would host. Other than that do you think a clear host team is missing?

Emory has the best strength of schedule in the country.

They won't host though, because it doesn't look like three other teams could get there in 500 miles. I think Centre will host a pod because Emory could get there by bus.

[NEHoopsFan99]

But couldn't Randolph Macon also host Emory? I don't see why the NCAA would have Centre host over Randolph Macon. But I guess other than the Emory issue, I don't foresee a circumstance where a certain team with a remote geographic location getting into the tournament would impact the host locations.

[KnightSlappy]

But couldn't Randolph Macon also host Emory? I don't see why the NCAA would have Centre host over Randolph Macon. But I guess other than the Emory issue, I don't foresee a circumstance where a certain team with a remote geographic location getting into the tournament would impact the host locations.

Emory to Randolph-Macon is 546 miles, so that would have to be a flight. Randolph-Macon will probably host a pod anyway though.

[NEHoopsFan99]

But doesn't Emory fly to most away games anyway? Seems so silly that that would be a deciding factor. But maybe that's really how the NCAA does it. How have they dealt with Emory in years past? What about SoCal and Washington schools?

[realist]

But doesn't Emory fly to most away games anyway? Seems so silly that that would be a deciding factor. But maybe that's really how the NCAA does it. How have they dealt with Emory in years past? What about SoCal and Washington schools?

The difference is in the tournament the flight is an NCAA expense, and is not the schools expense like UAA travel.  While it might seem silly to you and I the NCAA is very concerned with keeping travel cost down as indicated by the under 500 limit is a road trip.  Regarding some of the schools you mentioned, it isn't that the NCAA won't fly teams it is more they keep the flights to a bare minimum.  Yes that at times may result in some interesting matchups.  Geography definitely plays a part in hosting a pod in some circumstances.