Pool C

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Thanks for the info, Q.  I wonder if those italicised teams would have become Pool C had there been 18 bids.  I think we would have seen more of those "passed over" spots filled in.

[Knightstalker]

Q, New Jersey City was a Pool B team last year.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Lebanon Valley was the other Pool C team; Albright won the AQ in the MACC.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

If you notice.  Last year's Pool C's went by in-region winning percentage of those high in the SOSI.

Lebanon Valley was 18-5, with a .782 in-region winning percentage.  That made the difference for teams with good numbers.

[John Gleich]

Great post Q... it'll be interesting to see how it all works out this year, and I'd be interested in seeing a breakdown after the selections have been made.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Actually, looking at it that way really makes it seem totally mathematical.  They took the QOWI list and out of the top 15 non-Pool A or B teams, picked the best 7 in-region winning percentages.

It could be conceivable that they would do the same this year, perhaps with the top 25 or 30 C elligible teams.

[dewcrew88]

Looking back at last year, below is the QOWI Pat posted after the Saturday games, heading into Selection Sunday 2005 (page 2 of this thread).  Final Pool A and B teams are crossed off...the Pool C's selected are in bold.  In region records from the final regional polls are included for the top Pool C candidates.

(Whatever games were played on Selection Sunday last year are not factored in below obviously.)

31-40
John Carroll    9.833 (19-5, .792)  C

New Jersey City    9.762 (13-7, .650)   C

41-50
Wheaton (Ill.)    9.737 (15-4, .789)   C

So last year, the selection committee chose these three for Pool C bids, and Utica was 19-5 in region, just like John Carroll, and better than NJCU and Wheaton. So I definitely think that Utica College could have a chance at the Pool C.

[tommygun]

There has been much discussion about pool C in the GL region.  I am not clear if people think CMU has a shot at a pool C bid.  While it is likely they will get an A it is certainly not impossible that they won't.  If this happens with a loss to Rochester their QQWI would not drop all that sigificantly so they would still probably be in the top 20 (or thereabouts) in the country with their QQWI.  As an earlier post showed even last year the top 25 QQWI's all got in (admittedly most were not pool C.) 

It just seems that they must at least have a shot at a pool C bid (as they have been ranked in the region all three weeks on top of everything else.)  I am not suggesting they would definitely get in (obviously con. tourn. upsets obviously have something to do with that), but seems like they have to have a shot.  Of course all of this is moot if they beat Rochester or Wahington U.  loses to Chicago.

[Mr. Ypsi]

If CM is not the A, I'd view them as a near-lock for a C.

(For the sake of all other C contenders, go CM, get the A!  WashU is much more 'bubble-ish'.)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I'll be interested to see if Pat and crew can run the QOWI numbers quick enough on Sunday for us to see them before the announcement.  I'd like to test that theory about taking the best regional winning percenatage from a group of high QOWI C contenders.

[David Collinge]

I forgot about CMU when I posted about Pool C in the GL earlier today.  Maybe it's just as well, because I think you'd almost have to be a committee member to figure out in advance if they are a Pool C or not.  On the one hand, they have a great QoWI, still tops in the GL and 14th-best in the nation.  (Their QoWI would be about 10.158 with a loss to Rochester.)  On the other hand, their in-region win % is pretty mediocre, at least by GL standards: at 14-5 (.737) (again assuming the required loss to Rochester), they'd trail between 8-11 other teams in the GL alone, including at least three other Pool C contenders. 

It comes down to the GL Committee and where they decide to slot CMU in the final secret poll.  There's nothing that says that the national committee has to view the primary criteria the same way the regional committees do.  The national committee may look at the Tartans' QoWI and think they're a winner, but if the regional committee slots CMU behind Albion and/or Lake Erie (which is possible, since CMU has to lose to Rochester to become a Pool C, leaving them at 14-5 vs. LEC's potential 18-5 and Albion's potential 13-4), then CMU may never reach the national table for the national committee to debate.

[fisheralum03]

upset from SUNYAC semi's. SUNYIT coached by Tom Murphy, upsets Cortland State 81-74. What does that do the Cortland in terms of a POOL C bid?? I think they will get in but will it hurt there chances of getting a home game?? I do remember one year where Brockport lost I think in the semi's of the conference tournament and got the top seed in the EAST/NE Bracket. They also lost to UR in the ELITE 8 on their home court though. I may have the years wrong, but Brockport did get a home game

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Cortland is still in, no problem.

So now we're at RMC, Cortland, Gordon, and York as locks?  Only 14 more bids left.

Throw in the nonAQ from Tufts/Amherst, Witt/Woo, and Hope/Calvin, you're down to 11 remaining.  It's getting scary.

[fisheralum03]

I never thought Cortland would not be in but was thinking about the situation where Brockport got a great seeding even though they didn't win the conference tournament. I know, you can't base a season on a conference tournament.

[mrmike88]

How much will the loss to SUNYIT hurt Cortland's QOWI, and will they continue to hold the top spot in their region?