Pool C

[sac]

bopol - per Stevenson/Carthage... I am not ignoring the one-loss difference... and you shouldn't ignore the four-win difference. Stevenson's WP is .704... Carthage is .651. That is what I am talking about.

And I really can't see how Messiah who is 0-2 versus Stevenson, played one more game against a RRO while Stevenson played two this past week, and other data moves them ahead of the Mustangs. You keep saying you don't think Messiah moves ahead... but what data says they do? Stevenson I think has a higher SOS or they are a wash.

And again, I don't see St. Olaf not making the tournament if they don't win the AQ. They have a .539+ SOS and are going to have seven or so games vRRO.

They're off Q's board right now

[bopol]

bopol - per Stevenson/Carthage... I am not ignoring the one-loss difference... and you shouldn't ignore the four-win difference. Stevenson's WP is .704... Carthage is .651. That is what I am talking about.

And I really can't see how Messiah who is 0-2 versus Stevenson, played one more game against a RRO while Stevenson played two this past week, and other data moves them ahead of the Mustangs. You keep saying you don't think Messiah moves ahead... but what data says they do? Stevenson I think has a higher SOS or they are a wash.

And again, I don't see St. Olaf not making the tournament if they don't win the AQ. They have a .539+ SOS and are going to have seven or so games vRRO.

Maybe, I guess we'll have to wait.

St. Olaf - doesn't matter; they are about to win...

[CCHoopster]

Doesn't matter regarding the Oles from St. Olaf. They're in, sharpie.

[NEHoopsFan99]

You still think Babson will get in before WPI? It's getting so confusing because essentially the entire NE lost their games this weekend. Could that mean only 2 NE teams get Pool C's? Or do you still think there will be 3+ NE pool C teams

2 bids. I really think the Mid Atlantic gets 3 pool C with Wesley, Stevenson and Messiah or Dickinson. Easily 2 pool C for the MA I think. Could be wrong, just personal guess.

So you're saying only one team out of Babson, WPI and EConn will make it in addition to Williams? Seems harsh considering the NE is the largest region by far

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I don't see WPI moving ahead of Babson... so yes, Babson goes in ahead of WPI... then E. Connecticut... and then WPI and Springfield remain and it matters who is at the table first.

[Hugenerd]

I don't see WPI moving ahead of Babson... so yes, Babson goes in ahead of WPI... then E. Connecticut... and then WPI and Springfield remain and it matters who is at the table first.

Do you think WPI could move ahead of East Conn?  If, for example, MIT gets in the rankings and gives them a 5-2 v. RRO?

[sac]

Hampden Sydney is within 2 of Va Wes. with under 10 to go

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

You still think Babson will get in before WPI? It's getting so confusing because essentially the entire NE lost their games this weekend. Could that mean only 2 NE teams get Pool C's? Or do you still think there will be 3+ NE pool C teams

I think there will be four, but only Williams, Babson, and EConn are locks.

[KnightSlappy]

All three NEWMACs could get Pool C bids.

[Jon]

Yes, one-ranked, always-ranked no longer applies.  This makes it even more aggravating that we don't see the final rankings - can't even know vRRO except by guesswork.

Mr. Ypsi, not sure anyone got back to you on this.  I think vRRO will relate to teams ranked the week before, so you shouldn't have to guess at vRRO.  It would be impossible for committees to rank teams using a ranking criteria from its and other regions that are being done at the same time.

[Hugenerd]

You still think Babson will get in before WPI? It's getting so confusing because essentially the entire NE lost their games this weekend. Could that mean only 2 NE teams get Pool C's? Or do you still think there will be 3+ NE pool C teams

I think there will be four, but only Williams, Babson, and EConn are locks.

I havent been paying attention all season, but just looking at numbers now, I think WPI's resume is just as good as EConn's, even better if MIT can break into rankings and give them 5-2 v. RRO.

[Hugenerd]

Yes, one-ranked, always-ranked no longer applies.  This makes it even more aggravating that we don't see the final rankings - can't even know vRRO except by guesswork.

Mr. Ypsi, not sure anyone got back to you on this.  I think vRRO will relate to teams ranked the week before, so you shouldn't have to guess at vRRO.  It would be impossible for committees to rank teams using a ranking criteria from its and other regions that are being done at the same time.

I think that's taken care of when all the regional committees are done and it gets kicked up to the national committee.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Yes, one-ranked, always-ranked no longer applies.  This makes it even more aggravating that we don't see the final rankings - can't even know vRRO except by guesswork.

Mr. Ypsi, not sure anyone got back to you on this.  I think vRRO will relate to teams ranked the week before, so you shouldn't have to guess at vRRO.  It would be impossible for committees to rank teams using a ranking criteria from its and other regions that are being done at the same time.

The RACs will look at the vRRO data from Week 3 when putting their final rankings together. THEN the national committee (after any changes) will get new vRRO data and readjust accordingly. That has been what I have been told by committee members for years and how we have seen it work, especially last year.

[KnightSlappy]

Just missing the ODAC final, but it might be a couple hours before I can update again.

RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
NE   01   0.923   0.587   0.671   003   A      24-2    9-0   NESCAC   Amherst
NE   02   0.846   0.567   0.637   006   C      22-4    4-3   NESCAC   Williams
NE   03   0.769   0.568   0.618   016   C      20-6    3-5   NEWMAC   Babson
NE   04   0.731   0.567   0.608   021   C      19-7    2-4   NEWMAC   Springfield
NE   05   0.786   0.546   0.606   024   C      22-6    3-4   LEC      Eastern Connecticut
NE   06   0.963   0.486   0.605   027   A      26-1    1-0   GNAC     Albertus Magnus
NE   07   0.846   0.521   0.602   030   C      22-4    3-1   NEWMAC   WPI
NE   08   0.714   0.556   0.596   036   A      20-8    1-4   LEC      Rhode Island College
NE   09   0.792   0.529   0.595   037   C      19-5    1-3   NESCAC   Bowdoin
NE   10   0.786   0.522   0.588   045   C      22-6    0-2   CCC      Nichols
NE   11   0.640   0.562   0.582   055   C      16-9    3-6   NESCAC   Middlebury
ne   12   0.926   0.450   0.569   072   A      25-2    1-0   NAC      Husson
ne   13   0.714   0.519   0.568   076   A      20-8    4-5   NEWMAC   MIT
ne   14   0.520   0.574   0.561   087   C      13-12   2-9   UAA      Brandeis
ne   15   0.720   0.501   0.556   093   C      18-7    1-2   GNAC     Johnson and Wales
ne   16   0.654   0.520   0.553   098   C      17-9    1-3   MASCAC   Salem State
ne   17   0.654   0.510   0.546   113   C      17-9    0-6   LEC      Western Connecticut
ne   18   0.643   0.513   0.546   114   C      18-10   1-3   GNAC     St. Josephs (Maine)
ne   19   0.654   0.505   0.542   124   C      17-9    2-3   CCC      Salve Regina
ne   20   0.720   0.482   0.542   125   A      18-7    0-2   NECC     Mitchell
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
EA   01   0.885   0.553   0.636   007   A      23-3    4-2   SUNYAC   Brockport State
EA   02   0.815   0.553   0.619   014   C      22-5    4-4   SUNYAC   Plattsburgh State
EA   03   0.769   0.554   0.608   022   C      20-6    2-4   SUNYAC   Geneseo State
EA   04   0.778   0.523   0.587   047   A      21-6    1-2   LL       Hobart
EA   05   0.640   0.546   0.569   071   C      16-9    0-6   UAA      New York University
EA   06   0.696   0.516   0.561   085   C      16-7    0-1   E8       Nazareth
ea   07   0.630   0.534   0.558   090   C      17-10   2-5   SUNYAC   Oswego State
ea   08   0.704   0.503   0.553   099   C      19-8    3-3   LL       Vassar
ea   09   0.615   0.532   0.553   101   C      16-10   2-4   LL       Skidmore
ea   10   0.640   0.521   0.551   102   A      16-9    0-3   E8       Hartwick
ea   11   0.625   0.521   0.547   108   C      15-9    1-2   E8       Stevens
ea   12   0.609   0.526   0.547   110   C      14-9    1-2   E8       St. John Fisher
ea   13   0.417   0.585   0.543   122   C      10-14   4-7   UAA      Rochester
ea   14   0.583   0.519   0.535   143   C      14-10   1-5   LL       Clarkson
ea   15   0.480   0.548   0.531   152   C      12-13   1-7   SUNYAC   Buffalo State
ea   16   0.625   0.488   0.522   172   C      15-9    2-4   LL       Rochester Tech
ea   17   0.538   0.515   0.521   175   C      14-12   1-5   SUNYAC   Cortland State
ea   18   0.462   0.537   0.518   179   C      12-14   0-7   SUNYAC   Oneonta State
ea   19   0.680   0.459   0.514   188   A      17-8    0-2   NEAC     Morrisville State
ea   20   0.619   0.476   0.512   193   C      13-8    0-0   E8       Alfred
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
AT   01   0.926   0.522   0.623   013   A      25-2    5-1   SKY      SUNY-Purchase
AT   02   0.852   0.537   0.615   017   A      23-4    4-2   NJAC     Richard Stockton
AT   03   0.778   0.528   0.591   042   C      21-6    4-3   NJAC     William Paterson
AT   04   0.893   0.486   0.588   046   C      25-3    0-0   CUNYAC   Staten Island
AT   05   0.778   0.506   0.574   064   C      21-6    0-5   SKY      Mount St. Mary
AT   06   0.704   0.531   0.574   065   C      19-8    2-3   NJAC     Rutgers-Newark
at   07   0.741   0.502   0.562   083   A      20-7    1-4   CUNYAC   York (N.Y.)
at   08   0.520   0.546   0.540   129   C      13-12   1-8   NJAC     Kean
at   09   0.556   0.515   0.525   163   C      15-12   0-7   SKY      SUNY-Old Westbury
at   10   0.667   0.467   0.517   182   C      18-9    0-6   SKY      Farmingdale State
at   11   0.520   0.511   0.513   190   C      13-12   1-6   NJAC     New Jersey City
at   12   0.560   0.494   0.511   196   C      14-11   0-3   CUNYAC   Baruch
at   13   0.391   0.549   0.509   197   C      9-14    2-8   NJAC     Montclair State
at   14   0.480   0.516   0.507   198   C      12-13   2-4   CUNYAC   Brooklyn
at   15   0.417   0.534   0.505   203   C      10-14   1-3   LAND     Merchant Marine
at   16   0.542   0.480   0.495   221   C      13-11   0-4   SKY      Sage
at   17   0.458   0.496   0.486   242   C      11-13   0-4   CUNYAC   Lehman
at   18   0.360   0.529   0.486   243   C      9-16    1-7   NJAC     Ramapo
at   19   0.381   0.520   0.485   244   C      8-13    0-6   NJAC     Rowan
at   20   0.417   0.499   0.478   263   C      10-14   0-5   CUNYAC   Hunter
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
MA   01   0.889   0.545   0.631   011   A      24-3    2-1   LAND     Scranton
MA   02   0.962   0.513   0.625   012   A      25-1    3-0   CSAC     Cabrini
MA   03   0.870   0.529   0.614   018   C      20-3    5-0   CAC      Wesley
MA   04   0.800   0.540   0.605   028   A      20-5    4-2   CAC      Mary Washington
MA   05   0.741   0.550   0.598   034   A      20-7    4-4   MACC     Alvernia
MA   06   0.654   0.571   0.591   040   C      17-9    4-7   CAC      Christopher Newport
MA   07   0.778   0.529   0.591   041   C      21-6    2-1   CC       Dickinson
MA   08   0.667   0.565   0.590   043   C      16-8    1-6   CAC      St. Marys (Md.)
MA   09   0.760   0.532   0.589   044   C      19-6    2-4   MACC     Messiah
ma   10   0.704   0.530   0.574   067   C      19-8    4-3   MACC     Stevenson
ma   11   0.692   0.527   0.568   075   C      18-8    1-4   CSAC     Neumann
ma   12   0.615   0.550   0.566   077   A      16-10   2-5   CC       Johns Hopkins
ma   13   0.692   0.510   0.556   094   C      18-8    0-3   CC       McDaniel
ma   14   0.583   0.543   0.553   100   C      14-10   0-4   LAND     Susquehanna
ma   15   0.615   0.527   0.549   105   C      16-10   2-5   MACC     Hood
ma   16   0.750   0.481   0.548   106   C      18-6    0-2   CSAC     Gwynedd-Mercy
ma   17   0.583   0.535   0.547   109   C      14-10   2-1   LAND     Juniata
ma   18   0.654   0.511   0.547   111   C      17-9    2-2   CC       Franklin and Marshall
ma   19   0.600   0.523   0.542   123   C      15-10   1-2   CC       Muhlenberg
ma   20   0.522   0.543   0.538   135   C      12-11   3-6   CAC      Salisbury
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
SO   01   0.680   0.590   0.613   019   C      17-8    4-5   UAA      Emory
SO   02   0.769   0.559   0.612   020   C      20-6    4-3   ODAC     Randolph-Macon
SO   03   0.870   0.514   0.603   029   B      20-3    1-2   SAA      Centre
SO   04   0.893   0.505   0.602   032   A      25-3    0-1   ASC      Texas-Dallas
SO   05   0.769   0.536   0.595   038   A      20-6    3-2   ODAC     Virginia Wesleyan
SO   06   0.679   0.547   0.580   057   A      19-9    1-4   SCAC     Trinity (Texas)
SO   07   0.630   0.552   0.572   068   C      17-10   4-3   SAA      Birmingham-Southern
SO   08   0.731   0.516   0.570   070   C      19-7    3-5   SAA      Oglethorpe
so   09   0.571   0.563   0.565   080   C      16-12   3-7   ODAC     Hampden-Sydney
so   10   0.704   0.513   0.561   086   C      19-8    1-2   ASC      Hardin-Simmons
so   11   0.654   0.525   0.557   091   C      17-9    1-6   ODAC     Guilford
so   12   0.739   0.494   0.556   095   C      17-6    1-2   USAC     Maryville (Tenn.)
so   13   0.577   0.530   0.542   126   C      15-11   3-2   ODAC     Eastern Mennonite
so   14   0.680   0.491   0.538   132   C      17-8    0-3   SLIAC    Spalding
so   15   0.654   0.499   0.538   133   C      17-9    2-1   ASC      Mary Hardin-Baylor
so   16   0.625   0.509   0.538   134   C      15-9    0-5   ODAC     Lynchburg
so   17   0.577   0.524   0.537   139   C      15-11   3-0   SCAC     Schreiner
so   18   0.522   0.538   0.534   148   C      12-11   2-4   ODAC     Bridgewater (Va.)
so   19   0.577   0.512   0.528   158   C      15-11   0-3   ASC      Texas-Tyler
so   20   0.600   0.504   0.528   159   C      15-10   0-2   ASC      Concordia (Texas)
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
GL   01   0.923   0.543   0.638   005   A      24-2    7-2   NCAC     Wooster
GL   02   0.760   0.556   0.607   023   C      19-6    2-4   MIAA     Hope
GL   03   0.741   0.542   0.592   039   C      20-7    3-5   NCAC     Ohio Wesleyan
GL   04   0.750   0.530   0.585   048   C      21-7    3-6   NCAC     Wittenberg
GL   05   0.720   0.538   0.583   051   C      18-7    0-4   OAC      Marietta
GL   06   0.692   0.545   0.582   052   C      18-8    4-5   NCAC     DePauw
GL   07   0.692   0.542   0.579   058   A      18-8    1-2   OAC      Wilmington
gl   08   0.769   0.514   0.578   059   C      20-6    0-1   OAC      Mount Union
gl   09   0.800   0.501   0.575   063   C      20-5    1-0   PrAC     Bethany
gl   10   0.826   0.483   0.569   073   A      19-4    2-4   MIAA     Calvin
gl   11   0.852   0.466   0.563   081   A      23-4    1-0   AMCC     Penn State-Behrend
gl   12   0.792   0.483   0.560   088   A      19-5    1-1   PrAC     St. Vincent
gl   13   0.615   0.534   0.554   096   C      16-10   1-2   OAC      Ohio Northern
gl   14   0.621   0.519   0.545   116   C      18-11   1-3   OAC      John Carroll
gl   15   0.560   0.539   0.545   117   C      14-11   3-6   UAA      Case Western Reserve
gl   16   0.556   0.535   0.540   128   C      15-12   1-4   PrAC     Thomas More
gl   17   0.731   0.473   0.537   136   C      19-7    0-0   AMCC     Hilbert
gl   18   0.519   0.543   0.537   137   C      14-13   0-4   OAC      Baldwin Wallace
gl   19   0.462   0.543   0.523   168   C      12-14   1-3   OAC      Capital
gl   20   0.417   0.554   0.520   176   C      10-14   1-8   UAA      Carnegie Mellon
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
MW   01   0.920   0.588   0.671   002   A      23-2    9-2   UAA      Washington U.
MW   02   0.852   0.560   0.633   008   C      23-4    8-3   CCIW     Illinois Wesleyan
MW   03   0.958   0.523   0.632   009   A      23-1    0-1   MWC      St. Norbert
MW   04   0.704   0.607   0.631   010   A      19-8    8-5   CCIW     Wheaton (Ill.)
MW   05   0.625   0.599   0.606   025   C      15-9    4-7   CCIW     Carthage
MW   06   0.731   0.555   0.599   033   C      19-7    5-4   CCIW     Augustana
MW   07   0.815   0.523   0.596   035   A      22-5    2-1   HCAC     Rose-Hulman
MW   08   0.583   0.582   0.582   053   C      14-10   4-7   UAA      Chicago
mw   09   0.778   0.516   0.581   056   A      21-6    0-0   NATHC    Marian
mw   10   0.808   0.491   0.570   069   C      21-5    0-0   NATHC    Milwaukee Engineering
mw   11   0.792   0.494   0.568   074   C      19-5    0-3   HCAC     Defiance
mw   12   0.500   0.588   0.566   078   C      11-11   3-8   CCIW     North Central (Ill.)
mw   13   0.679   0.528   0.566   079   C      19-9    1-4   HCAC     Hanover
mw   14   0.667   0.527   0.562   082   C      18-9    0-1   NATHC    Aurora
mw   15   0.739   0.499   0.559   089   C      17-6    0-3   MWC      Grinnell
mw   16   0.654   0.520   0.554   097   C      17-9    1-4   HCAC     Mount St. Joseph
mw   17   0.583   0.538   0.550   103   C      14-10   2-6   CCIW     Elmhurst
mw   18   0.692   0.498   0.546   112   C      18-8    0-0   NATHC    Lakeland
mw   19   0.625   0.518   0.545   115   C      15-9    0-2   MWC      Ripon
mw   20   0.625   0.518   0.545   118   C      15-9    1-4   MWC      Carroll
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
WE   01   0.963   0.586   0.680   001   A      26-1    6-1   WIAC     UW-Stevens Point
WE   02   0.852   0.579   0.647   004   C      23-4    4-2   WIAC     UW-Whitewater
WE   03   0.815   0.553   0.618   015   A      22-5    2-5   MIAC     St. Olaf
WE   04   0.815   0.536   0.605   026   C      22-5    4-3   MIAC     St. Thomas
WE   05   0.815   0.531   0.602   031   A      22-5    1-1   NWC      Whitworth
WE   06   0.783   0.518   0.584   049   C      18-5    1-0   IIAC     Dubuque
WE   07   0.625   0.570   0.584   050   C      15-9    1-5   WIAC     UW-La Crosse
WE   08   0.577   0.583   0.582   054   C      15-11   1-8   WIAC     UW-Platteville
we   09   0.783   0.509   0.577   060   A      18-5    1-2   IIAC     Central
we   10   0.818   0.496   0.577   061   C      18-4    1-1   SCIAC    Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
we   11   0.682   0.540   0.576   062   C      15-7    2-4   SCAC     Colorado College
we   12   0.750   0.515   0.574   066   C      18-6    3-1   SCIAC    Pomona-Pitzer
we   13   0.692   0.518   0.561   084   C      18-8    1-4   MIAC     Augsburg
we   14   0.583   0.548   0.557   092   C      14-10   1-2   IIAC     Luther
we   15   0.630   0.522   0.549   104   C      17-10   1-6   MIAC     Gustavus Adolphus
we   16   0.682   0.503   0.548   107   A      15-7    2-3   SCIAC    Chapman
we   17   0.600   0.526   0.544   119   C      15-10   3-4   MIAC     St. Johns
we   18   0.650   0.508   0.543   121   C      13-7    1-2   NWC      Lewis and Clark
we   19   0.583   0.524   0.539   131   C      14-10   1-2   IIAC     Buena Vista
we   20   0.615   0.511   0.537   138   C      16-10   0-5   NWC      Whitman
                              
RG   ##   WP      bSOS    bRPI    NAT   Pool   D3      RRO   CONFER   TEAM
B    01   0.870   0.514   0.603   029   B      20-3    1-2   SAA      Centre
b    02   0.630   0.552   0.572   068   C      17-10   4-3   SAA      Birmingham-Southern
b    03   0.731   0.516   0.570   070   C      19-7    3-5   SAA      Oglethorpe
b    04   0.556   0.511   0.522   171   C      15-12   1-5   SAA      Rhodes

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I'm thinking Babson and Eastern get in, as well as whoever's higher between WPI and Springfileld, my guess WPI.