Pool C

[CCHoopster]

That was a really good game between VWC and HSC. Been a pleasure to watch teams play games I normally wouldn't the past few days.

[Titan Q]

My final Pool C projection...

(Regional ranking noted is the most current - this will change in the final, super secret regional rankings)

In Comfortably
1. Illinois Wesleyan (CCIW) - .852/.560/8-3   Midwest #2
2. UW-Whitewater (WIAC) - .852/.579/4-2   West #2   
3. Wesley (CAC) - .870/.529/5-0   Mid-Atlantic #3
4. Williams (NESCAC) - .846/.567/4-3   Northeast #2    
5. Plattsburgh State (SUNYAC) - .815/.553/4-4   East #2
6. Randolph-Macon (ODAC) - .769/.559/4-3   South #1
7. Babson (NEWMAC) - .769/.567/3-5   Northeast #3
8. Augustana (CCIW) - .731/.555/5-4   Midwest #4
9. Eastern Connecticut (LEC) - .786/.546/3-4   Northeast #4
10. Geneseo State (SUNYAC) - .769/.554/2-4   East #3
11. St. Thomas (MIAC) - .815/.536/4-3   West #3
12. WPI (NEWMAC) - .846/.520/3-1  Northeast #5
13. Hope (MIAA) - .760/.555/2-4   Great Lakes #2 
14. Carthage (CCIW) - .625/.599/4-7   Midwest #6
15. Emory (UAA) - .680/.591/4-5  South #2

The Bubble - pick 4
16. DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   Great Lakes #5
17. William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3   Atlantic #4
18. Wittenberg (NCAC) - .750/.530/3-6   Great Lakes #6
19. Ohio Wesleyan (NCAC) - .741/.541/3-5   Great Lakes #7
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20. Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4   Northeast #6   
21. Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1   Mid-Atlantic #4
22. Middlebury (NESCAC) - .640/.562/3-6   Northeast #11
23. Stevenson (MACC) - .704/.531/4-3   Mid-Atlantic #5
24. Messiah (MACC) - .760/.532/2-4   Mid-Atlantic #6

Out
25. Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3   South #6
26. Rutgers-Newark (NJAC) - .704/.531/2-3   Atlantic #5
27. Staten Island (CUNYAC) - .893/.486/0-0   Atlantic #3
28. Bowdoin (NESCAC) - .792/.529/1-3   Northeast #7
29. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1  West #7
30. Pomona-Pitzer (SCIAC) .750/.514/3-1   West #8
31. Bethany (PrAC) - .800/.501/1-0   Great Lakes #3
32. Nichols (CCC) - .786/.521/0-2   Northeast #9
33. Guilford (ODAC) - .654/.525/1-6   South #7
34. St. Mary's (CAC) - .667/.565/1-6   Mid-Atlantic #9
35. Augsburg (MIAC) - .692/.517/1-4   West #9
36. Mount St. Mary (Sky) - .778/.506/0-5   Atlantic #6
37. Mount Union (OAC) - .769/.514/0-1   Great Lakes #4
38. Augsburg (MIAC) - .692/.517/1-4   West #926.
39. Dubuque (IIAC) - .783/.517/1-0   West #6
40. Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7   Midwest #8
41. NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6   East #6
42. Skidmore (LL) - .615/.532/2-4   East #6

[CCHoopster]

My final Pool C projection...

(Regional ranking noted is the most current - this will change in the final, super secret regional rankings)

In Comfortably
1. Illinois Wesleyan (CCIW) - .852/.560/8-3   Midwest #2
2. UW-Whitewater (WIAC) - .852/.579/4-2   West #2   
3. Wesley (CAC) - .870/.529/5-0   Mid-Atlantic #3
4. Williams (NESCAC) - .846/.567/4-3   Northeast #2    
5. Plattsburgh State (SUNYAC) - .815/.553/4-4   East #2
6. Randolph-Macon (ODAC) - .769/.559/4-3   South #1
7. Babson (NEWMAC) - .769/.567/3-5   Northeast #3
8. Augustana (CCIW) - .731/.555/5-4   Midwest #4
9. Eastern Connecticut (LEC) - .786/.546/3-4   Northeast #4
10. Geneseo State (SUNYAC) - .769/.554/2-4   East #3
11. St. Thomas (MIAC) - .815/.536/4-3   West #3
12. WPI (NEWMAC) - .846/.520/3-1  Northeast #5
13. Hope (MIAA) - .760/.555/2-4   Great Lakes #2 
14. Carthage (CCIW) - .625/.599/4-7   Midwest #6
15. Emory (UAA) - .680/.591/4-5  South #2

The Bubble - pick 4
16. DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   Great Lakes #5
17. Wittenberg (NCAC) - .750/.530/3-6   Great Lakes #6
18. Ohio Wesleyan (NCAC) - .741/.541/3-5   Great Lakes #7
19. William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3   Atlantic #4
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20. Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4   Northeast #6   
21. Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1   Mid-Atlantic #4
22. Middlebury (NESCAC) - .640/.562/3-6   Northeast #11
23. Stevenson (MACC) - .704/.531/4-3   Mid-Atlantic #5
24. Messiah (MACC) - .760/.532/2-4   Mid-Atlantic #6

Out
25. Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3   South #6
26. Rutgers-Newark (NJAC) - .704/.531/2-3   Atlantic #5
27. Staten Island (CUNYAC) - .893/.486/0-0   Atlantic #3
28. Bowdoin (NESCAC) - .792/.529/1-3   Northeast #7
29. Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1  West #7
30. Pomona-Pitzer (SCIAC) .750/.514/3-1   West #8
31. Bethany (PrAC) - .800/.501/1-0   Great Lakes #3
32. Nichols (CCC) - .786/.521/0-2   Northeast #9
33. Guilford (ODAC) - .654/.525/1-6   South #7
34. St. Mary's (CAC) - .667/.565/1-6   Mid-Atlantic #9
35. Augsburg (MIAC) - .692/.517/1-4   West #9
36. Mount St. Mary (Sky) - .778/.506/0-5   Atlantic #6
37. Mount Union (OAC) - .769/.514/0-1   Great Lakes #4
38. Augsburg (MIAC) - .692/.517/1-4   West #926.
39. Dubuque (IIAC) - .783/.517/1-0   West #6
40. Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7   Midwest #8
41. NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6   East #6
42. Skidmore (LL) - .615/.532/2-4   East #6

really thought the Mid-Atlantic would get minimum two pool c's maybe three. But one.... guess I was off on my thinking.

[sac]

Four Great Lakes Pool C's would really be unprecedented since we went to this SOS calculation.  We've never received more than 2.

[David Collinge]

I certainly like the idea of a four-bid NCAC. Maybe I should start extolling the virtues of Kenyon. They've got a ton of RROs!

[Titan Q]

Last 6 rounds...

Round 14
(AT) William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3 
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW) Carthage (CCIW) - .625/.599/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Emory (UAA) - .680/.591/4-5
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 15
(AT) William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3 
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW) Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Emory (UAA) - .680/.591/4-5
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 16
(AT) William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3 
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW) Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 17
(AT) William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3 
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) Wittenberg (NCAC) - .750/.530/3-6 
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW) Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 18
(AT) Rutgers-Newark (NJAC) - .704/.531/2-3
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) Wittenberg (NCAC) - .750/.530/3-6 
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW) Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 19
(AT) Rutgers-Newark (NJAC) - .704/.531/2-3
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) Ohio Wesleyan (NCAC) - .741/.541/3-5 
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW) Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

[magicman]

Last 6 rounds...

Round 14
(AT) William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3 
(E) Emory (UAA) - .680/.591/4-5
(GL) DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW) Carthage (CCIW) - .625/.599/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 15
(AT) William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3 
(E) Emory (UAA) - .680/.591/4-5
(GL) DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 16
(AT) William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3 
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 17
(AT) William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3 
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) Wittenberg (NCAC) - .750/.530/3-6 
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 18
(AT) Rutgers-Newark (NJAC) - .704/.531/2-3
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) Wittenberg (NCAC) - .750/.530/3-6 
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Round 19
(AT) Rutgers-Newark (NJAC) - .704/.531/2-3
(E) NYU (UAA) - .640/.546/0-6
(GL) Ohio Wesleyan (NCAC) - .741/.541/3-5 
(MA) Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1
(MW Chicago (UAA) - .583/.582/4-7
(NE) Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4
(S) Birmingham-Southern (SAA) - .630/.553/4-3
(W) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (SCIAC) - .818/.496/1-1

Q,
How did Emory get into the East for rounds 14 and 15?

[sac]

Is there any precedent to selecting a Pool C like Claremont-MS just to solve a geography problem?

[KnightSlappy]

Is there any precedent to selecting a Pool C like Claremont-MS just to solve a geography problem?

They do not select according to geography

[Pat Coleman]

I think in all my years I've seen one pick that I thought was geographically influenced, when U of Dallas made it in as a 13-12 Pool B years ago. Hopefully I have those facts right in my head.

[Ralph Turner]

I think in all my years I've seen one pick that I thought was geographically influenced, when U of Dallas made it in as a 13-12 Pool B years ago. Hopefully I have those facts right in my head.

Yes, in 2004, but Pool B was very weak that year, and I thought that UDallas was as good a pick as they could have made.

UDallas traveled 497 miles to Sul Ross. Sully barely beat them. Sully beat Trinity in San Antonio (in the old 48 bid tourney days.)

Sully then lost a real heart breaker to Lawrence in OT up at Puget Sound.

http://www.ascsports.org/custompages/mbball/2003-04/SRSU.HTM


I just noticed to 2 of Sully's losses were to D-1's (UTEP and UTSA) and they had blowout win over D-2 UT-Permian Basin.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Is there any precedent to selecting a Pool C like Claremont-MS just to solve a geography problem?

They do not select according to geography

Of course, if there's two teams extremely close criteria wise, it's got to be in the back of their minds.

[KnightSlappy]

Is there any precedent to selecting a Pool C like Claremont-MS just to solve a geography problem?

They do not select according to geography

Of course, if there's two teams extremely close criteria wise, it's got to be in the back of their minds.

I don't think the selection committee cares about geography though. The ncaa's accountants are the ones that care.

None of the committee members want to see that precedent set.

[KnightSlappy]

In Comfortably
1. Illinois Wesleyan (CCIW) - .852/.560/8-3   Midwest #2
2. UW-Whitewater (WIAC) - .852/.579/4-2   West #2   
3. Wesley (CAC) - .870/.529/5-0   Mid-Atlantic #3
4. Williams (NESCAC) - .846/.567/4-3   Northeast #2    
5. Plattsburgh State (SUNYAC) - .815/.553/4-4   East #2
6. Randolph-Macon (ODAC) - .769/.559/4-3   South #1
7. Babson (NEWMAC) - .769/.567/3-5   Northeast #3
8. Augustana (CCIW) - .731/.555/5-4   Midwest #4
9. Eastern Connecticut (LEC) - .786/.546/3-4   Northeast #4
10. Geneseo State (SUNYAC) - .769/.554/2-4   East #3
11. St. Thomas (MIAC) - .815/.536/4-3   West #3
12. WPI (NEWMAC) - .846/.520/3-1  Northeast #5
13. Hope (MIAA) - .760/.555/2-4   Great Lakes #2 
14. Carthage (CCIW) - .625/.599/4-7   Midwest #6
15. Emory (UAA) - .680/.591/4-5  South #2

The Bubble - pick 4
16. DePauw (NCAC) - .692/.545/4-5   Great Lakes #5
17. William Paterson (NJAC) - .778/.528/4-3   Atlantic #4
18. Wittenberg (NCAC) - .750/.530/3-6   Great Lakes #6
19. Ohio Wesleyan (NCAC) - .741/.541/3-5   Great Lakes #7
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20. Springfield (NEWMAC) - .731/.567/2-4   Northeast #6   
21. Dickinson (CC) - .778/.529/2-1   Mid-Atlantic #4
22. Middlebury (NESCAC) - .640/.562/3-6   Northeast #11
23. Stevenson (MACC) - .704/.531/4-3   Mid-Atlantic #5
24. Messiah (MACC) - .760/.532/2-4   Mid-Atlantic #6

Out
28. Bowdoin (NESCAC) - .792/.529/1-3   Northeast #7
34. St. Mary's (CAC) - .667/.565/1-6   Mid-Atlantic #9

I'd put Springfield up with the comfortable group and add Bowdoin and St. Mary's to the bubble. I'm also not quite sure what to do with Christopher Newport.

It gets extremely tight for the last three or four spots. The difference in RPI between the bubble teams here is 0.002.

I lean toward Bowdoin, Dickinson, Springfield, and William Paterson getting in from the bubble group.

[7express]

I'm obviously NOT Titan or KS, but here are my 19 pool C teams:

Locks:
1) Whitewater
2) Wesley
3) Plattsburgh
4) St. Thomas
5) Illinois Wesleyan
6) Babson
7) Randolph-Macon
8) Williams

Teams that should be in:
9) Augustana
10) Eastern Connecticut
11) Geneseo
12) Hope
13) Emory

Teams that will probably get in:
14) WPI
15) Carthage

My last 4 in (not necessarily in order):
16) William Paterson
17) Ohio Wesleyan
18) Wittenberg
19) Springfield

First 4 out (not necessarily in order)
20) Claremont-Mudd-Scripps
21) Dickinson
22) Messiah
23) Stevenson