Pool C

[sac]

At this time last year Stevens Point

21-4      .840/.575/2-4


Benedictine this year

25-0     1.000/.523/4-0


You could certainly argue Benedictine has better criteria this year I think. 


Last years bracket also wasn't about keeping Augustana and Stevens Point apart, it was keeping Augustana and St. Thomas apart and to a larger degree, trying to divide up the Central/West and Great Lakes better than they had in past tournaments.
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/bracket

Augustana is clearly the #1 seed in their quarter of the bracket, its less clear who the #1 in Stevens Points quarter was but it looks like St. Thomas.  Point was a high seed, but not likely the #1

[AO]

At this time last year Stevens Point

21-4      .840/.575/2-4


Benedictine this year

25-0     1.000/.523/4-0


You could certainly argue Benedictine has better criteria this year I think. 


Last years bracket also wasn't about keeping Augustana and Stevens Point apart, it was keeping Augustana and St. Thomas apart and to a larger degree, trying to divide up the Central/West and Great Lakes better than they had in past tournaments.
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/bracket

Augustana is clearly the #1 seed in their quarter of the bracket, its less clear who the #1 in Stevens Points quarter was but it looks like St. Thomas.  Point was a high seed, but not likely the #1

What would you guess was my squad's seed when we knocked off the Tommies?   We might not have been a true #16 if they made all the sections equal but it still might be the biggest upset in tourney history.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Eh - I think with a .575 compared to a .523 there is a significant difference. In fact that is knocking on the door of .060 to equal four games - yes making it equal.

But I also don't look at the 2-4 and 4-0 and say that is just six and four. I know who UWSP played in those games and while Benedictine has a nice 4-0 v the CCIW... there isn't much diversity to their schedule with only NACC and CCIW teams. UWSP had a lot more diversity to give more information.

[sac]

At this time last year Stevens Point

21-4      .840/.575/2-4


Benedictine this year

25-0     1.000/.523/4-0


You could certainly argue Benedictine has better criteria this year I think. 


Last years bracket also wasn't about keeping Augustana and Stevens Point apart, it was keeping Augustana and St. Thomas apart and to a larger degree, trying to divide up the Central/West and Great Lakes better than they had in past tournaments.
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/bracket

Augustana is clearly the #1 seed in their quarter of the bracket, its less clear who the #1 in Stevens Points quarter was but it looks like St. Thomas.  Point was a high seed, but not likely the #1

What would you guess was my squad's seed when we knocked off the Tommies?   We might not have been a true #16 if they made all the sections equal but it still might be the biggest upset in tourney history.

That bracket had 12-16 Hendrix, 17-11 LaGrange.  Northwestern at 19-9 was probably anywhere from a 14 to a 12 'true' seed.

[HOPEful]

If they can put Augustana and Stevens Point on the opposite side of the bracket last year, I don't know why they couldn't do the same for Augustana and Benedictine.

Are Augustana and Benedictine really that much better than the next tier of teams that you worry about separating out just them?

Massey's top 20 includes 12 teams from Michigan, Ohio, Illinois, or Minnesota. And 2 of the top 5 schools will most likely be on the road the first weekend with their women hosting.

1. Benedictine
2. Auggie
3. Hope (won't host first weekend if women's team does)
4. St. Thomas (won't host first weekend if women's team does)
5. North Central
8. Marietta
9. Elmhurst
10. OWU
12. St. Norbert
13. Alma
14. John Carroll
17. Wooster

A pod in Ohio and/or Illinois is going to be inevitably stacked compared to those in the NE. But this is nothing new...

[sac]

Eh - I think with a .575 compared to a .523 there is a significant difference. In fact that is knocking on the door of .060 to equal four games - yes making it equal.

But I also don't look at the 2-4 and 4-0 and say that is just six and four. I know who UWSP played in those games and while Benedictine has a nice 4-0 v the CCIW... there isn't much diversity to their schedule with only NACC and CCIW teams. UWSP had a lot more diversity to give more information.

That SOS gap is .052    You've been quoted on this site many times saying .030 =2, but .060 doesn't necessarily = 4    That suggests a difference of 3 games, that seems to favor Benedictine.

Is that not the guideline?

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Stevens Point lost one of those RRO games to St. Thomas, clearly St. Thomas was a higher seed in that half of the bracket, ergo they were keeping Augustana and St. Thomas apart.

[KnightSlappy]

At this time last year Stevens Point

21-4      .840/.575/2-4


Benedictine this year

25-0     1.000/.523/4-0


You could certainly argue Benedictine has better criteria this year I think. 


Last years bracket also wasn't about keeping Augustana and Stevens Point apart, it was keeping Augustana and St. Thomas apart and to a larger degree, trying to divide up the Central/West and Great Lakes better than they had in past tournaments.
http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2015/bracket

Augustana is clearly the #1 seed in their quarter of the bracket, its less clear who the #1 in Stevens Points quarter was but it looks like St. Thomas.  Point was a high seed, but not likely the #1

What would you guess was my squad's seed when we knocked off the Tommies?   We might not have been a true #16 if they made all the sections equal but it still might be the biggest upset in tourney history.

That bracket had 12-16 Hendrix, 17-11 LaGrange.  Northwestern at 19-9 was probably anywhere from a 14 to a 12 'true' seed.

I had Northwestern As the No. 61 RPI (out of 62) entering last year's tournament. St. Thomas was No. 2, so that would have been a true 1 vs. 16 if going by RPI.

[fantastic50]

And 2 of the top 5 schools will most likely be on the road the first weekend with their women hosting.

1. Benedictine
2. Auggie
3. Hope (won't host first weekend if women's team does)
4. St. Thomas (won't host first weekend if women's team does)
5. North Central

I thought that the men had priority for hosting in even-numbered years?

[HOPEful]

I thought that the men had priority for hosting in even-numbered years?

Looks like I have been ill informed all year...

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

MEN have priority the first weekend. I know I have stated otherwise as of a week ago, but corrected myself recently. MEN have priority the first weekend, women the second weekend this season.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Eh - I think with a .575 compared to a .523 there is a significant difference. In fact that is knocking on the door of .060 to equal four games - yes making it equal.

But I also don't look at the 2-4 and 4-0 and say that is just six and four. I know who UWSP played in those games and while Benedictine has a nice 4-0 v the CCIW... there isn't much diversity to their schedule with only NACC and CCIW teams. UWSP had a lot more diversity to give more information.

That SOS gap is .052    You've been quoted on this site many times saying .030 =2, but .060 doesn't necessarily = 4    That suggests a difference of 3 games, that seems to favor Benedictine.

Is that not the guideline?

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Stevens Point lost one of those RRO games to St. Thomas, clearly St. Thomas was a higher seed in that half of the bracket, ergo they were keeping Augustana and St. Thomas apart.

The committee feels differently from what I can tell this season. .060=4 games this season. I am hoping to get a clarification.

Furthermore, .060 is the next milestone per a .030 measure... the question really becomes if that is 4 games, or is it 3.5 or better yet 4.5. I am saying it is knocking on the door and that makes some things a wash. I also looked at the rest of the criteria, not just those two.

[Greek Tragedy]

And 2 of the top 5 schools will most likely be on the road the first weekend with their women hosting.

1. Benedictine
2. Auggie
3. Hope (won't host first weekend if women's team does)
4. St. Thomas (won't host first weekend if women's team does)
5. North Central

I thought that the men had priority for hosting in even-numbered years?

Yeah, that didn't sound right because I knew the Tommies were on the road simply because the women hosted. It set up perfectly for St. Norbert, finally hosting a pod, but losing to Elmhurst in the 1st round. I really railed on them for blowing that opportunity.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

That scenario was the reminder. I poured over the handbooks and even the NCAA rules book and couldn't find it. I then just got it backwards for a period of time. But that scenario last year (along with Amherst) was the reminder that men have priority in the first weekend this year.

[fantastic50]

That scenario was the reminder. I poured over the handbooks and even the NCAA rules book and couldn't find it. I then just got it backwards for a period of time. But that scenario last year (along with Amherst) was the reminder that men have priority in the first weekend this year.

Confirmed, page 18 here...
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2015-16_DIIIMBB_HostOps_20160120.pdf

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

SMH Never thought to look through that damn manual. Looked through it a few weeks ago for something else.

Thanks! +k