Pool C

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Well, we've now made it through Wednesday without any bubbles burst.  The Atlantic region has run into hard times - they may not get any Pool C entrants once again.

[Greek Tragedy]

New Jersey City lost tonight.  They head into Pool C, but they're a very marginal team at 18-8 with a .523 or so.

I thought we thought Stockton was in, so how can the #1 team in the region be out now?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

New Jersey City lost tonight.  They head into Pool C, but they're a very marginal team at 18-8 with a .523 or so.

I thought we thought Stockton was in, so how can the #1 team in the region be out now?

I never thought anyone from the Atlantic was in.  Stockton had (has) the best chance, but they're likely going to win the NJAC AQ now.  I don't see an 18-8 team with a .520 getting in; that's a stretch - possible, but unlikely.

[fantastic50]

It appears that DeSales will go down in the MAFC, which likely makes it a one-bid league, although DeSales can't be ruled out for Pool C.

[sac]

Well, we've now made it through Wednesday without any bubbles burst.  The Atlantic region has run into hard times - they may not get any Pool C entrants once again.

I have 2014 as the only year the Atlantic didn't get a Pool C team since 2009, the East Region had no Pool C last year.

2009  Baruch
2010  Rutgers-Newark, Stockton St.
2011  Ramapo
2012  St. Joseph's
2013  Rutgers-Newark
2014  none
2015  William Patterson

[Greek Tragedy]

DeSales on the verge of going down.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Not that it matters for this year, but it should be noted that both Whitewater and Stevens Point ended their seasons tonight.  This is the first time since 2000-2001 that neither of those teams have played past the WIAC semifinals.

[magicman]

Well, we've now made it through Wednesday without any bubbles burst.  The Atlantic region has run into hard times - they may not get any Pool C entrants once again.

I have 2014 as the only year the Atlantic didn't get a Pool C team since 2009, the East Region had no Pool C last year.

2009  Baruch
2010  Rutgers-Newark, Stockton St.
2011  Ramapo
2012  St. Joseph's
2013  Rutgers-Newark
2014  none
2015  William Patterson

That is correct, sac. Plattsburgh State with a 19-8 record, and wins over 3 other teams that won their conferences did not get a Pool C bid last year. However in the 2012-13 season Plattsburgh State did get a Pool C bid with a 19-8 record. I'll be surprised if an 18-8 New Jersey City team gets a bid this year.

[KnightSlappy]

I'll do nightly updates on the ranking data now that the public data is behind us.

http://detroitjockcity.com/division-iii-mens-basketball-regional-rankings-data/

Quick straw poll: I had been holding out on updates between Sundays and Wednesdays until the rankings come out. Is that something you all like, or would you rather have seen nightly updates these last couple weeks?

[magicman]

I like lots of updates but you're the one doing the work, so I'll take what you give me.

[ronk]

I'll do nightly updates on the ranking data now that the public data is behind us.

http://detroitjockcity.com/division-iii-mens-basketball-regional-rankings-data/

Quick straw poll: I had been holding out on updates between Sundays and Wednesdays until the rankings come out. Is that something you all like, or would you rather have seen nightly updates these last couple weeks?

Maybe just this week when important games are every day. Plus publishing will eliminate the non-transparency of the NCAA committee.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

I'll do nightly updates on the ranking data now that the public data is behind us.

http://detroitjockcity.com/division-iii-mens-basketball-regional-rankings-data/

Quick straw poll: I had been holding out on updates between Sundays and Wednesdays until the rankings come out. Is that something you all like, or would you rather have seen nightly updates these last couple weeks?

Honestly, I use your numbers to gauge what the committee is thinking... so if you were to update them on Sunday and then on Tuesday before rankings come out and I go to look on Tuesday to see what might happen, I might get numbers all jacked up. In the final week after the final rankings are done I think it is okay to update them a few times, but I think prior to the last rankings I rather see what the committee is actually looking at if that makes any sense.

Another thought to the final week, you might not want to update them too often or arguments on these pages and elsewhere might start to get confusing. I would pick maybe every other day with the weekend being the exception. Or just Wednesday and then the weekend. Again, cuts down on confusion.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Better source: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/ LOL

It looks like to me that Aurora is close to moving ahead of Chicago, but if I'm remembering correctly from last week that Aurora lost a win vs. RRO and Chicago gained one.

And, it looks to me that NCC has to be close to moving past St. Norbert.  I'm wondering if there are any scenarios where that would happen.....is it possible for NCC to overtake St. Norbert if both win out?

Dave, or anyone else, what are your thoughts?

From what I have been able to learn on the national level at the very least... they like SNC head of NCC for varying reasons. I don't think they would suddenly change their mind this week unless the equation changed in some manner.

I believe NJCU is out.  Hopefully, Stockton gets the AQ with a final win over TCNJ.😉

Go Ospreys!!

This is going to sound strange, but NJCU has some secondary criteria and other data that is helping them out from what I can learn from around the committees. While it seems strange, their numbers against those with an above .600 winning percentage along with their vRRO helped get them into first. I am not sure Stockton would actually move ahead of them should they still be an at-large team. And I think NJCU will make for an interesting argument at the table. Remember, there are going to be a LOT of 5, 6, 7, and even 8 (of not more) loss teams who enter the conversation this year - it is just that kind of year.

Is NJCU out? I don't think I can say that for sure. I will say they did themselves no favors and if they are out it is because they didn't get the title game.

It appears that DeSales will go down in the MAFC, which likely makes it a one-bid league, although DeSales can't be ruled out for Pool C.

The fact the committees (regional and national) couldn't get the better winning percentage of DeSales (with a similiar SOS) ahead of Stockton and NJCU tells you DeSales is in trouble. The Atlantic lost too many games this season to secure a lot of bids and by not getting at least an extra win under their belt, DeSales probably just screwed themselves. The other major problem for DeSales: their LONE win in the regional rankings is now no longer there. Delaware Valley fell out of the regional rankings. Not sure they get back in to help DeSales. They played a better schedule this season, but they didn't take advantage of opportunities that would have helped themselves.

Not that it matters for this year, but it should be noted that both Whitewater and Stevens Point ended their seasons tonight.  This is the first time since 2000-2001 that neither of those teams have played past the WIAC semifinals.

That certainly is interesting... along with the fact that the WIAC won't get any extra bids this season. Even the ODAC is in trouble of that along with the UAA - but those conferences still have a chance.

[ronk]

 Question about a RAC and regional rankings:
    In the MA currently Scranton is #5 and F&M 6th; let's suppose F&M loses in the semis(like Scranton did) and Danzig and Robinson are their conference's RAC representatives. Are we to believe that each coach or any other RAC rep will not be lobbying for their own team's best regional ranking position? They'll probably take the high road but is the oversee by the national RAC the only check against personal bias? Come Pool C selection time, the national committee coach whose team is at the table, is excused from the discussion.  Just wondering?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Question about a RAC and regional rankings:
    In the MA currently Scranton is #5 and F&M 6th; let's suppose F&M loses in the semis(like Scranton did) and Danzig and Robinson are their conference's RAC representatives. Are we to believe that each coach or any other RAC rep will not be lobbying for their own team's best regional ranking position? They'll probably take the high road but is the oversee by the national RAC the only check against personal bias? Come Pool C selection time, the national committee coach whose team is at the table, is excused from the discussion.  Just wondering?

They have to come off the call, ronk. Danzig and Robinson would not be allowed to participate in any conversations regarding their teams. It simply isn't allowed. When it comes to selections on the national level, if a coach's team comes to the table... they get off the call. Donohue from Catholic sat on hold/mute/off for a very long time a few years ago.