Pool C

[Bucket]

And to your initial point: I thunk Williams would move into lock status with a win over Tufts.

I don't think any .704 team can be considered a lock heading into the Pool C process.  I think Williams would have a very good chance in that scenario...but lock is too strong.

Agreed. Your terminology of "comfortably in" would be better based on a win over Tufts for the Ephs, but probably toward the bottom of that list.

I'd have to look at things before the actual Pool C process, but seems to me like .704 would always be in the bubble group...even if at the very top of that bubble list.

Gotcha. Well, at least my Panthers are safe.

[4samuy]

Amherst is our first team officially in the Pool C mix; they dropped a first round game to Williams today.

And of course Amherst has earned a tournament bid.  Give me a break

[Pat Coleman]

Amherst is our first team officially in the Pool C mix; they dropped a first round game to Williams today.

And of course Amherst has earned a tournament bid.  Give me a break

Don't think you're going to get one here. Going to be a week on the bubble for Amherst.

[4samuy]

Amherst is our first team officially in the Pool C mix; they dropped a first round game to Williams today.

And of course Amherst has earned a tournament bid.  Give me a break

Don't think you're going to get one here. Going to be a week on the bubble for Amherst.

I've been hard on Amherst all year. Yeah they beat Babson, but I've watched a good amount of their games and IMO they have not earned a bid.

[kiko]

Amherst is our first team officially in the Pool C mix; they dropped a first round game to Williams today.

And of course Amherst has earned a tournament bid.  Give me a break

Don't think you're going to get one here. Going to be a week on the bubble for Amherst.

I've been hard on Amherst all year. Yeah they beat Babson, but I've watched a good amount of their games and IMO they have not earned a bid.

The eye test doesn't matter.  The only thing that matters is:

* Amherst: .739/.595/6-4

[Greek Tragedy]

Amherst is our first team officially in the Pool C mix; they dropped a first round game to Williams today.

And of course Amherst has earned a tournament bid.  Give me a break

Don't think you're going to get one here. Going to be a week on the bubble for Amherst.

I've been hard on Amherst all year. Yeah they beat Babson, but I've watched a good amount of their games and IMO they have not earned a bid.

The eye test doesn't matter.  The only thing that matters is:

* Amherst: .739/.595/6-4

Normally, most would be right about Amherst not getting a bid. But, this year the parity is crazy and I think we'll even see a 9-loss team as a Pool C. Huge SoS, 10 results against RRO. The winning % is down, but I think they'll sneak in. Everyone else is getting another loss too.

[Titan Q]

Normally, most would be right about Amherst not getting a bid. But, this year the parity is crazy and I think we'll even see a 9-loss team as a Pool C. Huge SoS, 10 results against RRO. The winning % is down, but I think they'll sneak in. Everyone else is getting another loss too.

Those are not really sneak-in numbers in my opinion.  Amherst has a very strong Pool C resume due to SOS (second only to Middlebury) and RRO (most wins vs RRO on the board; tied for most games vs RRO) - those numbers are going to jump off the page at some point in the process.

[Bucket]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

[middhoops]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

In the RPI numbers it states that road games get a 1.25 value where home games are .75, so isn't it already baked in the stats?
Amherst played 11 games before NESCAC and Little 3 seasons began.  They beat Anna Maria (5-20), lost to Springfield and Eastern Conn on the road.  The 8 home games were wins, including Babson.
Amherst then cancelled their game with RIC on the road due to weather, rather than reschedule it.  Apparently their travel budget is limited.

[Titan Q]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

That is not anywhere in the criteria, so unless they go off script for some reason I'd say that is not a factor.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

In the RPI numbers it states that road games get a 1.25 value where home games are .75, so isn't it already baked in the stats?
Amherst played 11 games before NESCAC and Little 3 seasons began.  They beat Anna Maria (5-20), lost to Springfield and Eastern Conn on the road.  The 8 home games were wins, including Babson.
Amherst then cancelled their game with RIC on the road due to weather, rather than reschedule it.  Apparently their travel budget is limited.

Well to be honest, it wasn't like there was a lot of room near the end of the season to get their game in against RIC.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

In the RPI numbers it states that road games get a 1.25 value where home games are .75, so isn't it already baked in the stats?
Amherst played 11 games before NESCAC and Little 3 seasons began.  They beat Anna Maria (5-20), lost to Springfield and Eastern Conn on the road.  The 8 home games were wins, including Babson.
Amherst then cancelled their game with RIC on the road due to weather, rather than reschedule it.  Apparently their travel budget is limited.

Well to be honest, it wasn't like there was a lot of room near the end of the season to get their game in against RIC.

If RIC goes out early in the LEC, there's nothing to keep them from doing it now, is there?  As long as its done before Sunday?

[AO]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

In the RPI numbers it states that road games get a 1.25 value where home games are .75, so isn't it already baked in the stats?
Amherst played 11 games before NESCAC and Little 3 seasons began.  They beat Anna Maria (5-20), lost to Springfield and Eastern Conn on the road.  The 8 home games were wins, including Babson.
Amherst then cancelled their game with RIC on the road due to weather, rather than reschedule it.  Apparently their travel budget is limited.

I don't think they've fixed the multiplier yet?  As of last year, road games did not help SOS, they were merely more important.  So if you played a poor team at home it wouldn't hurt your SOS as much as if you played them on the road.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

In the RPI numbers it states that road games get a 1.25 value where home games are .75, so isn't it already baked in the stats?
Amherst played 11 games before NESCAC and Little 3 seasons began.  They beat Anna Maria (5-20), lost to Springfield and Eastern Conn on the road.  The 8 home games were wins, including Babson.
Amherst then cancelled their game with RIC on the road due to weather, rather than reschedule it.  Apparently their travel budget is limited.

I don't think they've fixed the multiplier yet?  As of last year, road games did not help SOS, they were merely more important.  So if you played a poor team at home it wouldn't hurt your SOS as much as if you played them on the road.

That isn't the "problem" with the multiplier. The multiplier is still there.. it is how they add it in that can be wonky. With Amherst, it will have an affect since their schedule is unbalanced and more games are are home - as best as I know how the multiplier is working right now.

Next year, they will tweak the math again. I wish I could go into it, but I need to have a long call with KnightSlappy to make sure I have it right in my head first.

But no matter what... your opponent's record is multiplied by 0.75 for home games and 1.25 for away games.

[KnightSlappy]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

In the RPI numbers it states that road games get a 1.25 value where home games are .75, so isn't it already baked in the stats?
Amherst played 11 games before NESCAC and Little 3 seasons began.  They beat Anna Maria (5-20), lost to Springfield and Eastern Conn on the road.  The 8 home games were wins, including Babson.
Amherst then cancelled their game with RIC on the road due to weather, rather than reschedule it.  Apparently their travel budget is limited.

I don't think they've fixed the multiplier yet?  As of last year, road games did not help SOS, they were merely more important.  So if you played a poor team at home it wouldn't hurt your SOS as much as if you played them on the road.

This is correct.