Pool C

[smedindy]

Weird question - how does the vacation of games for Daniel Webster affect anyone in "C"? What do they do in those cases?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Weird question - how does the vacation of games for Daniel Webster affect anyone in "C"? What do they do in those cases?

Not sure off the top of my head, though they don't go down as suddenly wins if they had been losses. I will reach out for an answer, though.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

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[iwumichigander]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

That is not anywhere in the criteria, so unless they go off script for some reason I'd say that is not a factor.

Agree -the criteria is what the criteria is.  I think if the committee goes "off script" it will be geographically driven (not really off script"$ or selections 63 and 64 due to both expanded tournament and a "reward" to a team that might not normally a make itin prior years. 

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

That is not anywhere in the criteria, so unless they go off script for some reason I'd say that is not a factor.

Agree -the criteria is what the criteria is.  I think if the committee goes "off script" it will be geographically driven (not really off script"$ or selections 63 and 64 due to both expanded tournament and a "reward" to a team that might not normally a make itin prior years.

The committees have said numerous times... they never select teams just to make the bracket "easier" and thus "geographically." They will select who they select and they will deal with how to bracket them after the fact. I wouldn't worry about those kinds of selections.

Just my thought about why I think Amherst has as challenge... 17-7 is their record. That is going to fall a few short in terms of wins in comparison to others especially when the .030=2 games possibilities. I am just not as confident about Amherst and Wesleyan as others.

However, I want to see this week's rankings - I always rather look at what ifs more off Week 3 than the previous rankings.

[AO]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

In the RPI numbers it states that road games get a 1.25 value where home games are .75, so isn't it already baked in the stats?
Amherst played 11 games before NESCAC and Little 3 seasons began.  They beat Anna Maria (5-20), lost to Springfield and Eastern Conn on the road.  The 8 home games were wins, including Babson.
Amherst then cancelled their game with RIC on the road due to weather, rather than reschedule it.  Apparently their travel budget is limited.

I don't think they've fixed the multiplier yet?  As of last year, road games did not help SOS, they were merely more important.  So if you played a poor team at home it wouldn't hurt your SOS as much as if you played them on the road.

That isn't the "problem" with the multiplier. The multiplier is still there.. it is how they add it in that can be wonky. With Amherst, it will have an affect since their schedule is unbalanced and more games are are home - as best as I know how the multiplier is working right now.

Next year, they will tweak the math again. I wish I could go into it, but I need to have a long call with KnightSlappy to make sure I have it right in my head first.

But no matter what... your opponent's record is multiplied by 0.75 for home games and 1.25 for away games.

The current multiplier will have all sorts of unintended effects for every team regardless of whether or not their schedule is balanced with equal numbers of home and away games.

The only scenario where the multiplier "works" is when it is applied to a good opponent over .500.  Your SOS will go up more by playing them on the road instead of at home.  When you play teams that are .500 and below you'd rather play them at home since the 1.25 road multiplier makes those games more important to your SOS and decreases your SOS more than it otherwise would have at home.

So Amherst benefits from playing many of the worst teams on their schedule at home.  If they had played many of those same opponents on the road it would be devastating to their SOS and would knock them off the bubble.

[fantastic50]

Here's what I have, through Sunday's games...

Locks or near-locks (14)
A) Washington U. (20-4, 0.576, 7-3 vRRO, CE#2) won UAA AQ
A) UW-River Falls (20-3, 0.594, 6-2 vRRO, CE#1) lock, 53% WIAC AQ
A) Babson (24-1, 0.576, 4-1 vRRO, NE#1) lock, 80% NEWMAC AQ
A) Middlebury (22-3, 0.608, 7-3 vRRO, NE#2) lock, 40% NESCAC AQ
A) Whitman (25-0, 0.536, 4-0 vRRO, WE#1) lock, 76% NWC AQ
C#1) Rochester (21-3, 0.531, 4-1 vRRO, EA#1) lock, 0% UAA AQ
A) Marietta (21-4, 0.577, 4-4 vRRO, GL#1) lock, 56% OAC AQ
A) Chris Newport (23-2, 0.525, 2-2 vRRO, MA#1) lock, 80% CAC AQ
C#2) Tufts (20-5, 0.567, 4-3 vRRO, NE#3) lock, 29% NESCAC AQ
C#3) UW-Whitewater (19-5, 0.567, 2-3 vRRO, CE#3) near-lock, 19% WIAC AQ
A) Ramapo (23-2, 0.492, 5-2 vRRO, AT#1) near-lock, 62% NJAC AQ
C#4) Susquehanna (20-4, 0.550, 3-2 vRRO, MA#2) near-lock, 29% LAND AQ
A) Neumann (23-2, 0.502, 5-0 vRRO, AT#2) near-lock, 58% CSAC AQ
C#5) Whitworth (22-3, 0.528, 1-2 vRRO, WE#2) near-lock, 22% NWC AQ

Strong position (9) (80%+ for Pool C, if no AQ)
A) Hanover (19-3, 0.521, 2-2 vRRO, GL#4) 99% (57% HCAC or 99% C), 100% if CF, 98% if lose out
C#6) Wesleyan (CT) (19-6, 0.561, 4-3 vRRO, NE#4) 97% (0% NESCAC or 97% C), 100% if CF, 97% if lose out
A) Hope (19-4, 0.521, 2-1 vRRO, GL#2) 98% (61% MIAA or 95% C), 96% if CF, 93% if lose out
A) Skidmore (19-6, 0.522, 6-1 vRRO, EA#6) 98% (55% LL or 95% C), 100% if CF, 91% if lose out
A) Hardin-Simmons (19-6, 0.556, 3-1 vRRO, SO#3) 95% (49% ASC or 91% C), 91% if CF, 85% if lose out
C#7) Williams (18-7, 0.586, 5-4 vRRO, NE#7) 91% (17% NESCAC or 89% C), 100% if CF, 87% if lose out
C#8) Salisbury (19-6, 0.527, 3-3 vRRO, MA#3) 87% (13% CAC or 85% C), 94% if CF, 78% if lose out
A) Swarthmore (20-5, 0.521, 2-2 vRRO, MA#4) 91% (47% CC or 83% C), 90% if CF, 70% if lose out
C#9) St Lawrence (19-5, 0.519, 2-5 vRRO, EA#2) 86% (29% LL or 81% C), 88% if CF, 66% if lose out

Bubble teams if no AQ (21) (20-79% for Pool C if no AQ)
A) Scranton (19-6, 0.530, 5-3 vRRO, MA#7) 88% (40% LAND or 79% C), 95% if CF, 70% if lose out
C#10) Mt St Joseph (18-5, 0.508, 2-1 vRRO, GL#3) 80% (21% HCAC or 75% C), 84% if CF, 61% if lose out
A) St John Fisher (20-5, 0.546, 1-3 vRRO, EA#5) 93% (72% E8 or 73% C), 83% if CF, 73% if lose out
A) Oswego State (18-6, 0.522, 3-2 vRRO, EA#3) 83% (39% SUNYAC or 72% C), 86% if CF, 61% if lose out
A) Guilford (20-5, 0.504, 2-2 vRRO, SO#1) 81% (36% ODAC or 70% C), 77% if CF, 50% if lose out
C#11) Cabrini (19-5, 0.523, 1-4 vRRO, AT#3) 77% (26% CSAC or 69% C), 84% if CF, 51% if lose out
C#12) UW-Eau Claire (17-7, 0.572, 3-2 vRRO, CE#4) 68% (8% WIAC or 65% C), 99% if CF, 18% if lose out
A) Lycoming (20-4, 0.528, 0-1 vRRO, MA#5) 84% (57% MACC or 62% C), 73% if CF, 46% if lose out
C#13) Concordia (TX) (17-6, 0.543, 1-2 vRRO, SO#2) 70% (21% ASC or 62% C), 98% if CF, 44% if lose out
C#14) MIT (19-6, 0.544, 0-4 vRRO, NE#9) 61% (15% NEWMAC or 55% C), 66% if CF, 44% if lose out
C#15) New Jersey City (19-6, 0.506, 4-3 vRRO, AT#4) 59% (11% NJAC or 53% C), 88% if CF, 35% if lose out
C#16) Endicott (20-5, 0.511, 1-1 vRRO, NE#10) 70% (35% CCC or 53% C), 60% if CF, 27% if lose out
A) C-M-S (17-3, 0.486, 2-2 vRRO, WE#5) 71% (39% SCIAC or 53% C), 82% if CF, 12% if lose out
A) Augustana (18-6, 0.528, 2-2 vRRO, CE#5) 67% (34% CCIW or 51% C), 99% if CF, 2% if lose out
---current projected bubble line (with about 5 pool C bids lost via conference tournament "bid thieves")---
C#17) Wooster (18-7, 0.535, 4-5 vRRO, GL#6) 58% (24% NCAC or 45% C), 84% if CF, 4% if lose out
A) Benedictine (IL) (21-3, 0.490, 0-0 vRRO, CE#7) 80% (66% NACC or 40% C), 50% if CF, 27% if lose out
C#18) Brockport (19-6, 0.518, 2-4 vRRO, EA#4) 58% (32% SUNYAC or 38% C), 37% if CF, 26% if lose out
C#19) Emory (17-7, 0.545, 2-3 vRRO, SO#4) 38% (0% UAA or 38% C), 98% if CF
C#20) Amherst (17-7, 0.601, 5-5 vRRO, NE#5) 33% (0% NESCAC or 33% C), 33% if CF, 33% if lose out
C#21) John Carroll (17-7, 0.562, 2-5 vRRO, GL#5) 49% (26% OAC or 31% C), 65% if CF
A) St Norbert (19-4, 0.500, 1-1 vRRO, CE) 66% (56% MWC or 21% C), 33% if CF, 15% if lose out

Longshots for Pool C (7) (10%-19% if no AQ)
A) St Thomas (MN) (19-6, 0.523, 0-1 vRRO, WE#3) 51% (40% MIAC or 19% C), 24% if CF, 7% if lose out
C#22) Cal Lutheran (17-6, 0.500, 3-3 vRRO, WE) 47% (35% SCIAC or 19% C), 39% if CF
C#23) North Park (17-7, 0.532, 4-2 vRRO, CE) 33% (19% CCIW or 17% C), 48% if CF
C#24) LeTourneau (20-4, 0.480, 1-1 vRRO, SO#5) 36% (27% ASC or 13% C), 26% if CF, 3% if lose out
C#25) Nebraska Wesleyan (17-6, 0.521, 1-1 vRRO, WE#6) 45% (38% IIAC or 12% C), 30% if CF, 3% if lose out
C#26) Carthage (16-7, 0.553, 2-4 vRRO, CE#8) 41% (33% CCIW or 11% C), 24% if CF
C#27) Denison (21-4, 0.464, 3-2 vRRO, GL#7) 25% (16% NCAC or 10% C), 25% if CF, 1% if lose out

Real Longshots for Pool C (would be 10%+ if lost conference final)
C) Moravian (17-6, 0.512, 4-4 vRRO, MA) 29% (22% LAND or 9% C), 25% if CF
A) Ohio Wesleyan (19-6, 0.506, 3-4 vRRO, GL#9) 55% (51% NCAC or 9% C), 16% if CF, 2% if lose out
C) Ripon (18-5, 0.484, 1-1 vRRO, CE) 26% (21% MWC or 7% C), 15% if CF, 1% if lose out
C) TCNJ (18-7, 0.515, 3-4 vRRO, AT#5) 24% (18% NJAC or 7% C), 16% if CF
A) E Connecticut (17-8, 0.566, 3-4 vRRO, NE#11) 53% (50% LEC or 4% C), 10% if CF
C) Keene State (17-8, 0.575, 2-3 vRRO, NE#8) 24% (22% LEC or 3% C), 12% if CF
C) Roger Williams (19-6, 0.470, 2-1 vRRO, NE) 14% (11% CCC or 3% C), 20% if CF
C) Emory & Henry (17-7, 0.526, 1-4 vRRO, SO#8) 17% (16% ODAC or 1% C), 10% if CF

[KnightSlappy]

Might Amherst get dinged for lack of road games? I believe they only played 6 games that would be considered road games.

In the RPI numbers it states that road games get a 1.25 value where home games are .75, so isn't it already baked in the stats?
Amherst played 11 games before NESCAC and Little 3 seasons began.  They beat Anna Maria (5-20), lost to Springfield and Eastern Conn on the road.  The 8 home games were wins, including Babson.
Amherst then cancelled their game with RIC on the road due to weather, rather than reschedule it.  Apparently their travel budget is limited.

I don't think they've fixed the multiplier yet?  As of last year, road games did not help SOS, they were merely more important.  So if you played a poor team at home it wouldn't hurt your SOS as much as if you played them on the road.

That isn't the "problem" with the multiplier. The multiplier is still there.. it is how they add it in that can be wonky. With Amherst, it will have an affect since their schedule is unbalanced and more games are are home - as best as I know how the multiplier is working right now.

Next year, they will tweak the math again. I wish I could go into it, but I need to have a long call with KnightSlappy to make sure I have it right in my head first.

But no matter what... your opponent's record is multiplied by 0.75 for home games and 1.25 for away games.

The current multiplier will have all sorts of unintended effects for every team regardless of whether or not their schedule is balanced with equal numbers of home and away games.

The only scenario where the multiplier "works" is when it is applied to a good opponent over .500.  Your SOS will go up more by playing them on the road instead of at home.  When you play teams that are .500 and below you'd rather play them at home since the 1.25 road multiplier makes those games more important to your SOS and decreases your SOS more than it otherwise would have at home.

So Amherst benefits from playing many of the worst teams on their schedule at home.  If they had played many of those same opponents on the road it would be devastating to their SOS and would knock them off the bubble.

I have Amherst's SOS at .596 the way the NCAA calculates it. It would be .545 if the HAM was applied to each game's percentage and the resulting percentages were averaged. That +.052 is the largest SOS difference of any Pool C contender. LeTourneau is next at +.041.

Amherst's RPI would drop from #3 in the region to #10. (#7 or #8 among teams with selectable winning percentages, depending on how you feel about Keene St.'s .680 WP).

Concordia (Texas) and Brockport are Pool C contenders being hurt the most by the SOS calc. They're losing .023 and .021 respectively.

Not great that the actual SOS number can vary by up to ~.080 between two teams vs. what they're trying to measure. (That's, what, maybe five or six games based on .030 = 2 wins?)

Rust is getting dinged .073 by the SOS calc! (Is it true they played only one true home game against D3 competition?)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Weird question - how does the vacation of games for Daniel Webster affect anyone in "C"? What do they do in those cases?

Not sure off the top of my head, though they don't go down as suddenly wins if they had been losses. I will reach out for an answer, though.

They were all NECC conference games, so no, it won't have an impact on Pool C.  From what I can tell the NECC just removed the wins, but did not make them losses - DWC is just showing up with five fewer games played.  I don't think there are any Pool C candidates on their schedule to have an SOS impact.

[fantastic50]

Best guesses at new regional rankings...

Atlantic
1) Ramapo (23-2, 0.492, 5-2) LW #1 - NJAC favorite, near-lock
2) Neumann (23-2, 0.502, 5-0) LW #2 - CSAC favorite, near-lock
3) Cabrini (19-5, 0.523, 1-4) LW #3 - bubble if CSAC semi loss
4) New Jersey City (19-6, 0.506, 4-3) LW #4 - need to win NJAC semi
5) TCNJ (18-7, 0.515, 3-4) LW #5 - probably needs NJAC AQ
6) Misericordia (18-7, 0.507, 3-2) - must have AQ
7) Staten Island (19-5, 0.490, 0-4) LW #8
8) Gwynedd Mercy (19-6, 0.484, 0-5)
X) DeSales (17-8, 0.514, 0-1) LW #6
X) Rowan (16-9, 0.553, 3-5) LW #7

Central
1) UW-River Falls (20-3, 0.594, 6-2) LW #1 - WIAC favorite, lock
2) Washington U. (20-4, 0.576, 7-3) LW #2 - already in (UAA champ)
3) UW-Whitewater (19-5, 0.567, 2-3) LW #3 - near-lock
4) UW-Eau Claire (17-7, 0.572, 3-2) LW #4 - needs to win WIAC quarterfinal
5) Augustana (18-6, 0.528, 2-2) LW #5 - needs to win Tues & CCIW semi
6) Benedictine (IL) (21-3, 0.490, 0-0) LW #7 - NACC favorite, bubble if no AQ
7) North Park (17-7, 0.532, 4-2) - must win Tues & CCIW semi to reach bubble
8) Carthage (16-7, 0.553, 2-4) LW #8 - likely needs CCIW AQ
X) Illinois Wesleyan (16-8, 0.555, 5-2) LW #6

East
1) Rochester (21-3, 0.531, 4-1) LW #1 - lock
2) Skidmore (19-6, 0.522, 6-1) LW #6 - LL favorite, likely already in
3) St John Fisher (20-5, 0.546, 1-3) LW #5 - E8 favorite, probably in
4) St Lawrence (19-5, 0.519, 2-5) LW #2 - bubble-in with LL semi loss
5) Oswego State (18-6, 0.522, 3-2) LW #3 - needs to reach SUNYAC final, else bubble
6) Brockport (19-6, 0.518, 2-4) LW #4 - bubble if SUNYAC final, but may need AQ
7) Cortland (17-8, 0.533, 3-3) LW #7 - must have AQ
8) SUNYIT (19-6, 0.477, 0-1)
X) Hobart (14-10, 0.553, 3-7) LW #8

Great Lakes
1) Marietta (21-4, 0.577, 4-4) LW #1 - OAC favorite, lock
2) Hanover (19-3, 0.521, 2-2) LW #4 - HCAC favorite, near-lock
3) Hope (19-4, 0.521, 2-1) LW #2 - MIAA favorite, likely already in
4) Mt St Joseph (18-5, 0.508, 2-1) LW #3 - bubble if HCAC semi loss
5) Wooster (18-7, 0.535, 4-5) LW #6 - needs to reach NCAC final
6) John Carroll (17-7, 0.562, 2-5) LW #5 - bubble if OAC final
7) Ohio Wesleyan (19-6, 0.506, 3-4) LW #9 - likely needs NCAC AQ
8) Denison (21-4, 0.464, 3-2) LW #7 - bubble-out if NCAC final, likely needs AQ
9) Ohio Northern (16-9, 0.549, 2-4) LW #8 - must have AQ

Mid-Atlantic
1) Chris Newport (23-2, 0.525, 2-2) LW #1 - CAC favorite, lock
2) Susquehanna (20-4, 0.550, 3-2) LW #2 - near-lock
3) Swarthmore (20-5, 0.521, 2-2) LW #4 - CC favorite, bubble-in if semi loss
4) Salisbury (19-6, 0.527, 3-3) LW #3 - bubble-in if CAC semi loss
5) Scranton (19-6, 0.530, 5-3) LW #7 - Landmark favorite, bubble if semi loss
6) Lycoming (20-4, 0.528, 0-1) LW #5 - MACC favorite, otherwise bubble
7) Moravian (17-6, 0.512, 4-4) - bubble-out if Landmark final, likely needs AQ
8) Franklin & Marshall (17-7, 0.509, 2-2) - must have AQ
X) Catholic (17-8, 0.550, 2-5) LW #6
X) Johns Hopkins (16-9, 0.530, 3-2) LW #8

Northeast
1) Babson (24-1, 0.576, 4-1) LW #1 - NEWMAC favorite, lock
2) Middlebury (22-3, 0.608, 7-3) LW #2 - NESCAC favorite, lock
3) Tufts (20-5, 0.567, 4-3) LW #3 - lock
4) Wesleyan (CT) (19-6, 0.561, 4-3) LW #4 - lost NESCAC quarter, very likely in
5) Williams (18-7, 0.586, 5-4) LW #7 - likely in now, certain if NESCAC final
6) Amherst (17-7, 0.601, 5-5) LW #5 - lost NESCAC quarter, on bubble
7) MIT (19-6, 0.544, 0-4) LW #9 - bubble if no NEWMAC AQ
8) Endicott (20-5, 0.511, 1-1) LW #10 - bubble if CCC final
9) E Connecticut (17-8, 0.566, 3-4) LW #11 - LEC favorite, likely needs AQ
10) Keene State (17-8, 0.575, 2-3) LW #8 - likely needs LEC AQ
11) Nichols (20-5, 0.472, 1-1) - needs CCC AQ
X) Mass-Dartmouth (16-9, 0.549, 4-2) LW #6

South
1) Hardin-Simmons (19-6, 0.556, 3-1) LW #3 - ASC favorite, likely already in
2) Concordia (TX) (17-6, 0.543, 1-2) LW #2 - may need to reach ASC final, else bubble
3) Guilford (20-5, 0.504, 2-2) LW #1 - ODAC favorite, bubble if quarterfinal loss
4) Emory (17-7, 0.545, 2-3) LW #4 - likely needs to beat Rochester (no UAA tourney)
5) LeTourneau (20-4, 0.480, 1-1) LW #5 - bubble-out if ASC final, likely needs AQ
6) Emory & Henry (17-7, 0.526, 1-4) LW #8 - likely needs ODAC AQ
7) Maryville (TN) (18-6, 0.482, 1-1) LW #7 - must have AQ
8) Randolph-Macon (17-8, 0.525, 1-3) LW #6 - must have AQ

West
1) Whitman (25-0, 0.536, 4-0) LW #1 - NWC favorite, lock
2) Whitworth (22-3, 0.528, 1-2) LW #2 - near-lock
3) C-M-S (17-3, 0.486, 2-2) LW #5 - SCIAC favorite, bubble if no AQ
4) Loras (18-7, 0.545, 1-2) LW #4 - IIAC favorite, likely needs AQ
5) Nebraska Wesleyan (17-6, 0.521, 1-1) LW #6 - bubble-out if IIAC final
6) St Thomas (MN) (19-6, 0.523, 0-1) LW #3 - MIAC favorite, bubble-out if final
7) Cal Lutheran (17-6, 0.500, 3-3) - bubble-out if SCIAC final
8) Carleton (16-7, 0.524, 1-2) - must have AQ
X) La Verne (16-8, 0.524, 3-4) LW #7
X) Pomona-Pitzer (13-6, 0.515, 1-3) LW #8

[Pat Coleman]

Weird question - how does the vacation of games for Daniel Webster affect anyone in "C"? What do they do in those cases?

Not sure off the top of my head, though they don't go down as suddenly wins if they had been losses. I will reach out for an answer, though.

They were all NECC conference games, so no, it won't have an impact on Pool C.  From what I can tell the NECC just removed the wins, but did not make them losses - DWC is just showing up with five fewer games played.  I don't think there are any Pool C candidates on their schedule to have an SOS impact.

They marked those games as non-conference games, to be clear. Doesn't affect the outcome.

[bopol]

Best guesses at new regional rankings...


Central
1) UW-River Falls (20-3, 0.594, 6-2) LW #1 - WIAC favorite, lock
2) Washington U. (20-4, 0.576, 7-3) LW #2 - already in (UAA champ)
3) UW-Whitewater (19-5, 0.567, 2-3) LW #3 - near-lock
4) UW-Eau Claire (17-7, 0.572, 3-2) LW #4 - needs to win WIAC quarterfinal
5) Augustana (18-6, 0.528, 2-2) LW #5 - needs to win Tues & CCIW semi
6) Benedictine (IL) (21-3, 0.490, 0-0) LW #7 - NACC favorite, bubble if no AQ
7) North Park (17-7, 0.532, 4-2) - must win Tues & CCIW semi to reach bubble
8) Carthage (16-7, 0.553, 2-4) LW #8 - likely needs CCIW AQ
X) Illinois Wesleyan (16-8, 0.555, 5-2) LW #6

North Park lost twice to Carthage.  I think that Carthage will be in front of North Park as a result.  I think that'll make Carthage 3-2 against RROs. 

[Gregory Sager]

Agreed, because with Illinois Wesleyan dropping out, NPU's vRRO drops from 4-2 to 2-2.

[fantastic50]

I thought that the previous week's vRRO numbers are used in determining the new regional rankings.

[Gregory Sager]

In that case, forget what I just said.