Pool C

[fantastic50]

UW-Eau Claire has already been knocked out of the WIAC Tournament  UW- LaCrosse is playing UW-RiverFalls

Fixed, thanks!

[Greek Tragedy]

I tried to be cool like Titan Q, knightslappy and fantastic50. NEVER AGAIN!

Anyway, I am strictly using this week's regional rankings with results through Sunday.

I struggled after round 6 with 4 teams at the table with 7 losses. I favored a high SoS, lots of vRRO over winning%, unless it was just that much higher.

Just a reminder, I'm not an expert like these other guys, so take it easy on me!     

After taking out conference winners/#1 seeds as assumed Pool A/AQs, here's what I started with.

ATL #3 NJCU 20-6 .769/4-3/.507
CENT #3 Whitewater 19-5 .792/2-3/.565
EAST #1 Rochester 21-3 .875/4-1/.526
GL #4 Mt St Joseph 19-5 .792/2-1/.510
MA #2 Susquehanna 20-4 .833/3-2/.546
NE #2 Middlebury 22-3 .880/7-3/.605
SOUTH #2 Emory 17-7 .708/2-3/.541
WEST #2 Whitworth 22-3 .880/1-2/.527

1. NE #2 Middlebury 22-3 .880/7-3/.605
2. EAST #1 Rochester 21-3 .875/4-1/.526
3. WEST #2 Whitworth 22-3 .880/1-2/.527
4. MA #2 Susquehanna 20-4 .833/3-2/.546
5. CENT #3 Whitewater 195 .792/2-3/.565
6. NE #4 Wesleyan 19-6 .760/4-3/.569
7. MA #3 Lycoming 20-4 .833/0-1/.525
8. NE #5 Amherst 17-7 .708/5-5/.595
9. NE #6 Williams 18-7 .720/5-4/.584
10. CENT #4 Eau Claire 17-7 .708/3-2/.570
11. NE #7 MIT 19-6 .760/0-4/.540
12. EAST #4 St. Lawrence 20-5 .800/2-5/.521
13. GL #4 Mt St Joseph 19-5 .792/2-1/.510
14. MA #6 Salisbury 19-6 .760/3-3/.524
15. CENT #5 Augustana 18-6 .750/2-2/.528
16. GL #5 Wooster 18-7 .720/4-5/.537
17. WEST #4 Loras 18-7 .720/1-2/.544
18. GL #6 JCU 17-7 .708/2-5/.563
19. EAST #6 Brockport 19-6 .760/2-4/.518
20. SOUTH #2 Emory 17-7 .708/2-3/.541
21. ATL #3 NJCU 20-6 .769/4-3/.507

LEFT AT THE TABLE WHEN NJCU WAS TAKEN

ATL #3 NJCU
CENT #8: Oshkosh 16-9 .640/4-5/.588
EAST #7: Cortland 17-8 .680/3-3/.532
GL #7: Denison 21-4 .840/3-2/.466
MA #7: Catholic 17-8 .680/2-5/.546
NE #9Keene St 17-8 .680/2-3/.572
SOUTH #3 Con Tex 16-6 .727/1-2/.539
WEST #7 Carleton 16-7 .696/1-2/.523

Obviously a lot has happened since Sunday, like Augustana losing again, Eau Claire sent packing and JCU going down, just to name a few. And, a lot more will happen before the weekend is done. This was probably just a big waste of time!

[ronk]

I tried to be cool like Titan Q, knightslappy and fantastic50. NEVER AGAIN!

Anyway, I am strictly using this week's regional rankings with results through Sunday.

I struggled after round 6 with 4 teams at the table with 7 losses. I favored a high SoS, lots of vRRO over winning%, unless it was just that much higher.

Just a reminder, I'm not an expert like these other guys, so take it easy on me!     

After taking out conference winners/#1 seeds as assumed Pool A/AQs, here's what I started with.

ATL #3 NJCU 20-6 .769/4-3/.507
CENT #3 Whitewater 19-5 .792/2-3/.565
EAST #1 Rochester 21-3 .875/4-1/.526
GL #4 Mt St Joseph 19-5 .792/2-1/.510
MA #2 Susquehanna 20-4 .833/3-2/.546
NE #2 Middlebury 22-3 .880/7-3/.605
SOUTH #2 Emory 17-7 .708/2-3/.541
WEST #2 Whitworth 22-3 .880/1-2/.527

1. NE #2 Middlebury 22-3 .880/7-3/.605
2. EAST #1 Rochester 21-3 .875/4-1/.526
3. WEST #2 Whitworth 22-3 .880/1-2/.527
4. MA #2 Susquehanna 20-4 .833/3-2/.546
5. CENT #3 Whitewater 195 .792/2-3/.565
6. NE #4 Wesleyan 19-6 .760/4-3/.569
7. MA #3 Lycoming 20-4 .833/0-1/.525
8. NE #5 Amherst 17-7 .708/5-5/.595
9. NE #6 Williams 18-7 .720/5-4/.584
10. CENT #4 Eau Claire 17-7 .708/3-2/.570
11. NE #7 MIT 19-6 .760/0-4/.540
12. EAST #4 St. Lawrence 20-5 .800/2-5/.521
13. GL #4 Mt St Joseph 19-5 .792/2-1/.510
14. MA #6 Salisbury 19-6 .760/3-3/.524
15. CENT #5 Augustana 18-6 .750/2-2/.528
16. GL #5 Wooster 18-7 .720/4-5/.537
17. WEST #4 Loras 18-7 .720/1-2/.544
18. GL #6 JCU 17-7 .708/2-5/.563
19. EAST #6 Brockport 19-6 .760/2-4/.518
20. SOUTH #2 Emory 17-7 .708/2-3/.541
21. ATL #3 NJCU 20-6 .769/4-3/.507

LEFT AT THE TABLE WHEN NJCU WAS TAKEN

ATL #3 NJCU
CENT #8: Oshkosh 16-9 .640/4-5/.588
EAST #7: Cortland 17-8 .680/3-3/.532
GL #7: Denison 21-4 .840/3-2/.466
MA #7: Catholic 17-8 .680/2-5/.546
NE #9Keene St 17-8 .680/2-3/.572
SOUTH #3 Con Tex 16-6 .727/1-2/.539
WEST #7 Carleton 16-7 .696/1-2/.523

Obviously a lot has happened since Sunday, like Augustana losing again, Eau Claire sent packing and JCU going down, just to name a few. And, a lot more will happen before the weekend is done. This was probably just a big waste of time!

Good effort, Greek; it keeps u out of trouble.
I'd have Moravian ahead of Catholic at the Mid-Atlantic slot and a contender for the last 5 or 6 berths.

[magicman]

I tried to be cool like Titan Q, knightslappy and fantastic50. NEVER AGAIN!

Anyway, I am strictly using this week's regional rankings with results through Sunday.

I struggled after round 6 with 4 teams at the table with 7 losses. I favored a high SoS, lots of vRRO over winning%, unless it was just that much higher.

Just a reminder, I'm not an expert like these other guys, so take it easy on me!     

After taking out conference winners/#1 seeds as assumed Pool A/AQs, here's what I started with.

ATL #3 NJCU 20-6 .769/4-3/.507
CENT #3 Whitewater 19-5 .792/2-3/.565
EAST #1 Rochester 21-3 .875/4-1/.526
GL #4 Mt St Joseph 19-5 .792/2-1/.510
MA #2 Susquehanna 20-4 .833/3-2/.546
NE #2 Middlebury 22-3 .880/7-3/.605
SOUTH #2 Emory 17-7 .708/2-3/.541
WEST #2 Whitworth 22-3 .880/1-2/.527

1. NE #2 Middlebury 22-3 .880/7-3/.605
2. EAST #1 Rochester 21-3 .875/4-1/.526
3. WEST #2 Whitworth 22-3 .880/1-2/.527
4. MA #2 Susquehanna 20-4 .833/3-2/.546
5. CENT #3 Whitewater 195 .792/2-3/.565
6. NE #4 Wesleyan 19-6 .760/4-3/.569
7. MA #3 Lycoming 20-4 .833/0-1/.525
8. NE #5 Amherst 17-7 .708/5-5/.595
9. NE #6 Williams 18-7 .720/5-4/.584
10. CENT #4 Eau Claire 17-7 .708/3-2/.570
11. NE #7 MIT 19-6 .760/0-4/.540
12. EAST #4 St. Lawrence 20-5 .800/2-5/.521
13. GL #4 Mt St Joseph 19-5 .792/2-1/.510
14. MA #6 Salisbury 19-6 .760/3-3/.524
15. CENT #5 Augustana 18-6 .750/2-2/.528
16. GL #5 Wooster 18-7 .720/4-5/.537
17. WEST #4 Loras 18-7 .720/1-2/.544
18. GL #6 JCU 17-7 .708/2-5/.563
19. EAST #6 Brockport 19-6 .760/2-4/.518
20. SOUTH #2 Emory 17-7 .708/2-3/.541
21. ATL #3 NJCU 20-6 .769/4-3/.507

LEFT AT THE TABLE WHEN NJCU WAS TAKEN

ATL #3 NJCU
CENT #8: Oshkosh 16-9 .640/4-5/.588
EAST #7: Cortland 17-8 .680/3-3/.532
GL #7: Denison 21-4 .840/3-2/.466
MA #7: Catholic 17-8 .680/2-5/.546
NE #9Keene St 17-8 .680/2-3/.572
SOUTH #3 Con Tex 16-6 .727/1-2/.539
WEST #7 Carleton 16-7 .696/1-2/.523

Obviously a lot has happened since Sunday, like Augustana losing again, Eau Claire sent packing and JCU going down, just to name a few. And, a lot more will happen before the weekend is done. This was probably just a big waste of time!

Greek,
Just wondering why you have Lycoming as a Pool C team from The MACC when they are the top seed, and still alive. Who do you have as the AQ from that conference?

[Greek Tragedy]

I must have marked that wrong on my notes. Hey, good news, opens up a Pool C spot!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

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[fantastic50]

St Thomas falls to St John tonight, and will be on the bubble.

[AppletonRocks]

Oshkosh declawed the Whitewater Warhawks tonight in WIAC semifinal.  The men in purple did not look good tonight.  But I know only the numbers matter.  Pat Coleman has now trained me to shut up,  sit in the corner and pound on my calculator to determine who is the best team.   

[bopol]

Here is NCAA's Regional Rankings, updated through Sunday, using their numbers

RK	Reg	School	Con	Win%	vRRO	SoS	RESULTS
1	ATL	Neumann 23-2	CSAC	0.920	5-0	0.503
2	ATL	Ramapo 23-2	NJAC	0.920	5-2	0.491
3	ATL	NJCU 20-6	NJAC	0.769	4-3	0.507
4	ATL	Cabrini 19-5	CSAC	0.792	1-4	0.522
5	ATL	TCNJ 18-7	NJAC	0.720	3-4	0.515
6	ATL	Rowan 17-9	NJAC	0.654	3-5	0.552
7	ATL	Staten Is 19-5	CUNYAC	0.792	0-4	0.491
8	ATL	Delaware V 16-9	MACF	0.640	1-4	0.538
RK	Reg	School	Con	Win%	vRRO	SoS
1	CENT	River Falls 20-3	WIAC	0.870	6-2	0.594
2	CENT	Wash U 20-4	UAA	0.833	7-3	0.574
3	CENT	Whitewater 19-5	WIAC	0.792	2-3	0.565
4	CENT	Eau Claire 17-7	WIAC	0.708	3-2	0.570
5	CENT	Augustana 18-6	CCIW	0.750	2-2	0.528
6	CENT	Carthage 16-7	CCIW	0.696	2-4	0.554
7	CENT	Benedictine 21-3	NACC	0.875	0-0	0.490
8	CENT	Oshkosh 16-9	WIAC	0.640	4-5	0.588
RK	Reg	School	Con	Win%	vRRO	SoS
1	EAST	Rochester 21-3	UAA	0.875	4-1	0.526
2	EAST	SJF 20-5	E8	0.800	1-3	0.543
3	EAST	Skidmore 19-6	LL	0.760	6-1	0.524
4	EAST	St Lawrence 20-5	LL	0.800	2-5	0.521
5	EAST	Oswego St 19-6	SUNYAC	0.760	3-2	0.522
6	EAST	Brockport 19-6	SUNYAC	0.760	2-4	0.518
7	EAST	Cortland 17-8	SUNYAC	0.680	3-3	0.532
8	EAST	Union 14-9	LL	0.609	2-6	0.528
RK	Reg	School	Con	Win%	vRRO	SoS
1	GL	Marietta 21-4	OAC	0.840	4-4	0.578
2	GL	Hanover 19-3	HCAC	0.864	2-2	0.523
3	GL	Hope 19-4	MIAA	0.826	2-1	0.519
4	GL	Mt St Joseph 19-5	HCAC	0.792	2-1	0.510
5	GL	Wooster 18-7	NCAC	0.720	4-5	0.537
6	GL	JCU 17-7	OAC	0.708	2-5	0.563
7	GL	Denison 21-4	NCAC	0.840	3-2	0.466
8	GL	Ohio Wes 19-6	NCAC	0.760	3-4	0.508
9	GL	Ohio North 16-9	OAC	0.640	2-4	0.550
RK	Reg	School	Con	Win%	vRRO	SoS
1	M-ATL	CNU 23-2	CAC	0.920	2-2	0.522
2	M-ATL	Susquehanna 20-4	LAND	0.833	3-2	0.546
3	M-ATL	Lycoming 20-4	MACC	0.833	0-1	0.525
4	M-ATL	Swarthmore 20-5	CC	0.800	2-2	0.523
5	M-ATL	Scranton 19-6	LAND	0.760	5-3	0.524
6	M-ATL	Salisbury 19-6	CAC	0.760	3-3	0.524
7	M-ATL	Catholic 17-8	LAND	0.680	2-5	0.546
8	M-ATL	Moravian 17-6	LAND	0.739	4-4	0.510
RK	Reg	School	Con	Win%	vRRO	SoS
1	NE	Babson 24-1	NEWMAC	0.960	4-1	0.572
2	NE	Middlebury 22-3	NESCAC	0.880	7-3	0.605
3	NE	Tufts 20-5	NESCAC	0.800	4-3	0.562
4	NE	Wesleyan 19-6	NESCAC	0.760	4-3	0.560
5	NE	Amherst 17-7	NESCAC	0.708	5-5	0.595
6	NE	Williams 18-7	NESCAC	0.720	5-4	0.584
7	NE	MIT 19-6	NEWMAC	0.760	0-4	0.540
8	NE	E Conn 17-8	LEC	0.680	3-4	0.563
9	NE	Keene St 17-8	LEC	0.680	2-3	0.572
10	NE	Endicott 20-5	CCC	0.800	1-1	0.510
11	NE	Mass-Dart 16-9	LEC	0.640	4-2	0.545
RK	Reg	School	Con	Win%	vRRO	SoS
1	SOUTH	Hardin-Simmons 18-6	ASC	0.750	3-1	0.556
2	SOUTH	Emory 17-7	UAA	0.708	2-3	0.541
3	SOUTH	Guilford 20-5	ODAC	0.800	2-2	0.500
4	SOUTH	Con Tex 16-6	ASC	0.727	1-2	0.539
5	SOUTH	LeTourneau 18-4	ASC	0.818	1-1	0.486
6	SOUTH	RMC 17-8	ODAC	0.680	1-3	0.523
7	SOUTH	Emory & Henry 17-7	ODAC	0.708	1-4	0.527
8	SOUTH	VWC 17-8	ODAC	0.680	1-6	0.531
RK	Reg	School	Con	Win%	vRRO	SoS
1	WEST	Whitman 25-0	NWC	1.000	4-0	0.535
2	WEST	Whitworth 22-3	NWC	0.880	1-2	0.527
3	WEST	St Thomas 19-6	MIAC	0.760	0-1	0.522
4	WEST	Loras 18-7	IIAC	0.720	1-2	0.544
5	WEST	Neb Wes 17-6	IIAC	0.739	1-1	0.521
6	WEST	CMS 17-3	SCIAC	0.850	2-2	0.486
7	WEST	Carleton  16-7	MIAC	0.696	1-2	0.523
8	WEST	Cal Lutheran 17-6	SCIAC	0.739	3-3	0.502

Looking at this, I am hardpressed to find any useful information on how the committee may weigh things for the last few picks.  The only thing I noticed conclusively is that you will be punished for bad SOS as the teams with SOS less than .500 seem to be lower than they would be otherwise.

Does anyone undertstand why Catholic is ahead of Moravian?

[nescac1]

Seems like the teams that the Pool C bubble teams need to be rooting hard for to win their conference tourneys are: Babson, River Falls, Benedictine, Hope, Marietta, SJF, Neumann, Lycoming and Hanover.  Oshkosh would definitely steal a bid while River Falls is a lock.  The rest of those are one-bid leagues, most likely, that become probable two-bid leagues with an upset.  If more than a few of those teams fall, it starts gettting really crowded in the Pool C picture ...

[HOPEful]

Seems like the teams that the Pool C bubble teams need to be rooting hard for to win their conference tourneys are: Babson, River Falls, Benedictine, Hope, Marietta, SJF, Neumann, Lycoming and Hanover.  Oshkosh would definitely steal a bid while River Falls is a lock.  The rest of those are one-bid leagues, most likely, that become probable two-bid leagues with an upset.  If more than a few of those teams fall, it starts gettting really crowded in the Pool C picture ...

Mount Saint Joseph beating Hanover probably doesn't burst anyone's bubble.

[KnightSlappy]

Seems like the teams that the Pool C bubble teams need to be rooting hard for to win their conference tourneys are: Babson, River Falls, Benedictine, Hope, Marietta, SJF, Neumann, Lycoming and Hanover.  Oshkosh would definitely steal a bid while River Falls is a lock.  The rest of those are one-bid leagues, most likely, that become probable two-bid leagues with an upset.  If more than a few of those teams fall, it starts gettting really crowded in the Pool C picture ...

Mount Saint Joseph beating Hanover probably doesn't burst anyone's bubble.

I think it does. Hanover has a good shot at a Pool C. I don't think MSJ gets in without the AQ.

[fantastic50]

Seems like the teams that the Pool C bubble teams need to be rooting hard for to win their conference tourneys are: Babson, River Falls, Benedictine, Hope, Marietta, SJF, Neumann, Lycoming and Hanover.  Oshkosh would definitely steal a bid while River Falls is a lock.  The rest of those are one-bid leagues, most likely, that become probable two-bid leagues with an upset.  If more than a few of those teams fall, it starts gettting really crowded in the Pool C picture ...

Mount Saint Joseph beating Hanover probably doesn't burst anyone's bubble.

I think it does. Hanover has a good shot at a Pool C. I don't think MSJ gets in without the AQ.

I think that MSJ would be very competitive for a Pool C with if they lose the final to Hanover, and have a shot even if they lose the semi.

[HOPEful]

Seems like the teams that the Pool C bubble teams need to be rooting hard for to win their conference tourneys are: Babson, River Falls, Benedictine, Hope, Marietta, SJF, Neumann, Lycoming and Hanover.  Oshkosh would definitely steal a bid while River Falls is a lock.  The rest of those are one-bid leagues, most likely, that become probable two-bid leagues with an upset.  If more than a few of those teams fall, it starts gettting really crowded in the Pool C picture ...

Mount Saint Joseph beating Hanover probably doesn't burst anyone's bubble.

I think it does. Hanover has a good shot at a Pool C. I don't think MSJ gets in without the AQ.

I think a lot could depend on if Wooster beats Denison tonight. If MSJ gets leaped by Wooster, I would agree.

[Greek Tragedy]

Big night for the CCIW. They could be a 1-bid league. The highest ranked CCIW team, Augustana, already lost this week. The good news for them is that Eau Claire lost in their 1st round WIAC game, so there's hope that Augie or even Carthage could leapfrog the Blugolds. Carthage could go 2-1 this week. Not sure Augi's potential 1-2 could jump Eau Claire's 0-1 week.