Pool C

[Titan Q]

Augsburg 80
St. John's 68

That's a major bubble burster -- the Johnnies are a Pool C lock.

[Hoosiersfan2323]

Augsburg 80
St. John's 68

That's a major bubble burster -- the Johnnies are a Pool C lock.

What are the most obvious implications, if you don't mind me asking?

[Gregory Sager]

UW-Platteville goes down to UW-River Falls and becomes another Pool C bid thief.

[fantastic50]

With St Olaf and St John's both falling tonight, the MIAC's automatic berth will go to a team that was on the outside looking in.  However, Augsburg's win puts the Auggies onto the bubble even with a loss tomorrow, so if Bethel wins the auto bid, then it's possible the MIAC could get four bids, instead of the expected two.

[Titan Q]

UW-Platteville goes down to UW-River Falls and becomes another Pool C bid thief.

Not necessarily that significant unless UWRF beats Oshkosh tomorrow -- the WIAC was already projected to be a 3-bid league.

[Titan Q]

What are the most obvious implications, if you don't mind me asking?

Well basically, if the Pool C picture heading into the night looked something like what I have below, you'd now have to add St. John's to the Pool C list somewhere high and shift everyone else down...and bump #21 out.

My take through Wednesday night.  This does not account for any Thursday results...

(There are 21 Pool C bids available this year.)

Safely In
1. Wesleyan (NE/NESCAC): .800 (20-5)/.583/7-3
2. Hamilton (NE/NESCAC): .880 (22-3)/.568/6-2
3. Williams (NE/NESCAC): .792 (19-5)/.587/6-4
4. Wooster (GL/NCAC): .808 (21-5)/.559/4-2
5. Marietta (GL/OAC): .808 (21-5)/.557/4-4
6. Middlebury (NE/NESCAC): .760 (19-6).585/4-6
7. Johns Hopkins (MA/CC): .840 (21-4)/.525/4-3
8. New Jersey City (AT/NJAC): .731 (19-7)/.568/6-4
9. York, Pa (MA/CAC): .840 (21-4)/.528/3-3
10. UW-Oshkosh (CE/WIAC): .769 (20-6)/.548/2-3
11. Emory (SO/UAA): .833 (20-4)/.523/3-2
12. UW-Stevens Point (CE/WIAC): .680 (17-8)/.603/3-6
13. Illinois Wesleyan (CE/CCIW): .760 (19-6)/.547/3-5
14. St. Olaf (WE/MIAC): .760 (19-6)/.536/3-2

At the Mercy of Bubble Burster Results
15. Loras (WE/IIAC): .760 (19-6)/.543/2-3
16. Brockport (EA/SUNYAC): .760 (19-6)/.532/3-3
17. Franklin and Marshall (MA/CC): .800 (20-5)/.525/3-3
18. MIT (NE/NEWMAC): .800 (20-5)/.528/2-3
19. Whitworth (WE/NWC): .800 (22-3)/.513/1-3
20. North Central (CE/CCIW): .708 (17-7)/.545/3-4
21. Keene State (NE/NESCAC): .692 (18-8)/.563/2-5
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22. Tufts (NE/NESCAC): .680 (17-8)/.580/2-7
23. Sul Ross State (SO/ASC): .826 (19-4)/.510/1-1
24. Baldwin Wallace (GL/OAC): .692 (18-8)/.545/3-5
25. Augsburg (WE/MIAC): .731 (19-7)/.527/3-3

[frodotwo]

UW-Platteville goes down to UW-River Falls and becomes another Pool C bid thief.

Not necessarily that significant unless UWRF beats Oshkosh tomorrow -- the WIAC was already projected to be a 3-bid league.

Stevens Point beat Oshkosh and will host River Falls on Sunday. So with Point an "almost in" River Falls would certainly bump somone with a win.

[Titan Q]

UW-Platteville goes down to UW-River Falls and becomes another Pool C bid thief.

Not necessarily that significant unless UWRF beats Oshkosh tomorrow -- the WIAC was already projected to be a 3-bid league.

Stevens Point beat Oshkosh and will host River Falls on Sunday.

Sorry, yes, meant UWSP vs UWRF.

I think it was a given the WIAC was getting 2 Pool Cs.  If UWSP wins tomorrow it's just shuffling the names (swap out UWSP for Platteville).

[fantastic50]

Update on today's bubble games (winners in green, losers in red)

Today's bubble games
1:00 - ODAC: #1 Randolph-Macon (18-7, 12-4, needs to win to stay bubble or better) vs #9 Eastern Mennonite (10-14, 5-11)
5:30 - SUNYAC: #6 SUNY Oneonta (13-13, 8-10) vs #2 Brockport (19-6, 14-4, needs a win to stay on bubble)
6:00 - ASC: #E1 LeTourneau (23-3, 16-2, in with a win, bubble if not) vs #E3 East Texas Baptist (20-6, 12-4)
6:00 - CC: #2 Johns Hopkins (21-4, 15-3, safe) vs #3 Franklin and Marshall (20-5, 14-4, probably already in)
6:00 - CCIW: #3 North Central (17-7, 11-5, thin Pool C hopes with a win) vs #2 Illinois Wesleyan (19-6, 12-4, lock with a win, bubble if not)
6:00 - MWC: #3 St. Norbert (19-6, 14-4) vs #2 Ripon (17-6, 14-4, thin Pool C hopes with a win)
7:00 - USAC: #E2 Methodist (17-5, 12-4) at #W1 Maryville (Tenn.) (18-5, 14-2, strong bubble team with a win)
7:30 - LEC: #3 Mass-Boston (15-10, 9-5) vs #2 Keene State (18-8, 11-3, needs a win & help, or the Pool A bid)
7:30 - SUNYAC: Oswego State (14-12, 10-8) at Plattsburgh State (20-4, 17-1, already in decent shape, but a lock with a win)
8:00 - MIAC: #4 Augsburg (19-7, 13-7, must win to reach the bubble) at #1 St. John's (22-2, 19-1, safe)
8:00 - WIAC: #3 UW-Oshkosh (20-6, 9-5) at #2 UW-Stevens Point (17-8, 11-3, decent shape with a win, some hope with a loss)
8:30 - ASC: #E2 Texas-Dallas (19-6, 13-4) at #W1 Sul Ross State (20-4, 14-3, almost a play-in for SRSU tonight) (tied at halftime)

[Gregory Sager]

UW-Platteville goes down to UW-River Falls and becomes another Pool C bid thief.

Not necessarily that significant unless UWRF beats Oshkosh tomorrow -- the WIAC was already projected to be a 3-bid league.

Drew had the WIAC with one lock (UWP), one strong contender (UWO), and one bubble-in (UWSP) coming into tonight. Doesn't look like he was projecting any such thing to me, just that it looked like a good possibility.

[Titan Q]

UW-Platteville goes down to UW-River Falls and becomes another Pool C bid thief.

Not necessarily that significant unless UWRF beats Oshkosh tomorrow -- the WIAC was already projected to be a 3-bid league.

Drew had the WIAC with one lock (UWP), one strong contender (UWO), and one bubble-in (UWSP) coming into tonight. Doesn't look like he was projecting any such thing to me, just that it looked like a good possibility.

I was told yesterday by a committee member the WIAC is a lock for 2 Pool Cs.  That is what I am going by.

[Titan Q]

With St Olaf and St John's both falling tonight, the MIAC's automatic berth will go to a team that was on the outside looking in.  However, Augsburg's win puts the Auggies onto the bubble even with a loss tomorrow, so if Bethel wins the auto bid, then it's possible the MIAC could get four bids, instead of the expected two.

I don't see St. Olaf as a lock.  They have the same numbers as IWU (both lost tonight) and certainly IWU is not a lock.

* Illinois Wesleyan (CE/CCIW): .760 (19-6)/.547/3-5
* St. Olaf (WE/MIAC): .760 (19-6)/.536/3-2

St. Olaf is on the bubble as I see it.

[fantastic50]

UW-Platteville goes down to UW-River Falls and becomes another Pool C bid thief.

Not necessarily that significant unless UWRF beats Oshkosh tomorrow -- the WIAC was already projected to be a 3-bid league.

Drew had the WIAC with one lock (UWP), one strong contender (UWO), and one bubble-in (UWSP) coming into tonight. Doesn't look like he was projecting any such thing to me, just that it looked like a good possibility.

I had the WIAC at 2.52 bids entering today, so let's call it half a bubble busted.  However, if River Falls wins tomorrow, then UWSP probably gets in anyway, giving the WIAC four bids.

[Titan Q]

I had the WIAC at 2.52 bids entering today, so let's call it half a bubble busted.  However, if River Falls wins tomorrow, then UWSP probably gets in anyway, giving the WIAC four bids.

Agree.  The real significance would be UWRF winning the WIAC's Pool A...because then the WIAC gets 3 Pool Cs (instead of 2).

[Gregory Sager]

With St Olaf and St John's both falling tonight, the MIAC's automatic berth will go to a team that was on the outside looking in.  However, Augsburg's win puts the Auggies onto the bubble even with a loss tomorrow, so if Bethel wins the auto bid, then it's possible the MIAC could get four bids, instead of the expected two.

I don't see St. Olaf as a lock.  They have the same numbers as IWU (both lost tonight) and certainly IWU is not a lock.

* Illinois Wesleyan (CE/CCIW): .760 (19-6)/.547/3-5
* St. Olaf (WE/MIAC): .760 (19-6)/.536/3-2

St. Olaf is on the bubble as I see it.

... except that Bethel looks like a likely bet to make the final West Region ranking, and St. Olaf went 2-1 against the Royals this season. That puts the Oles at 5-3 vRRO.