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Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2018, 01:58:27 PM
Yeah, I've pretty much figured the same thing. But a guy can dream. ;)

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I don't think the NESCAC (at least the coaches) are against adding a few conference games - the big issue is how to do it, because I don't think there's consensus for a full double round robin.
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I've mentioned this before but I swear that in my days being part of a conference office in the 90s, I saw a form that the conference had to file with the NCAA that suggested that in basketball, you had to play 60% of your then-24 games as conference games in order to meet a standard for an automatic bid.

Obviously, this was pre-pool system, and not every conference received an AQ, but I feel like once upon a time there was a standard.
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I decided to do a simple OWP for the NESCAC double round-robin, using Middlebury's schedule.  I took each schools conference and non-conference win pct. and applied it to 20 conference games and 4 non-conference games.  I didn't bother throwing in the broken home/away multiplier.  Middlebury's OWP dropped from .609 to .550. 


Instead of forcing the NESCAC to play more conference games, how about we just choose a better SoS calculation method?

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Na, let's just force them to play more conference games.  ;D :P.It doesn't have to be a full round robin, but 16 isn't out of the question.
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My plan for the NESCAC would be to play 15 league games. You play everybody one time per year, and then 5 more against a rotating group of teams. The Big10 does something like this, the MAAC as well. I'm sick of hearing all the complaining about the current schedule. The best teams in the league will still get in to the NCAAs.

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Quote from: toad22 on February 28, 2018, 03:22:08 PM
My plan for the NESCAC would be to play 15 league games. You play everybody one time per year, and then 5 more against a rotating group of teams. The Big10 does something like this, the MAAC as well. I'm sick of hearing all the complaining about the current schedule. The best teams in the league will still get in to the NCAAs.

But the bottom NESCAC team in the tourney may have shoved out another team worthy of inclusion.
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sac

Quote from: toad22 on February 28, 2018, 03:22:08 PM
My plan for the NESCAC would be to play 15 league games. You play everybody one time per year, and then 5 more against a rotating group of teams. The Big10 does something like this, the MAAC as well. I'm sick of hearing all the complaining about the current schedule. The best teams in the league will still get in to the NCAAs.

The Big Ten's schedule is dreadfully awful and lopsided.

This is the conference standings 1 thru 5,
Michigan State   16-2
Ohio State          15-3
Purdue                15-3
Nebraska            13-5
Michigan              13-5

MSU played 1 game against each of these opponents.  Purdue played Ohio State, MSU and Nebraska once. Nebraska played MSU, OSU and Purdue once.  Ohio State played Michigan twice.  Michigan played OSU and Purdue twice.


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In a league like that, where the schedule is not balanced, you can counteract the effect by letting everyone in the conference tournament. That's what the ODAC does. (And although I haven't watched much D-I bball in the past 6-8 years, I believe the B1G does this as well.)
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Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
In a league like that, where the schedule is not balanced, you can counteract the effect by letting everyone in the conference tournament. That's what the ODAC does. (And although I haven't watched much D-I bball in the past 6-8 years, I believe the B1G does this as well.)

As does the ACC...

sac

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
In a league like that, where the schedule is not balanced, you can counteract the effect by letting everyone in the conference tournament. That's what the ODAC does. (And although I haven't watched much D-I bball in the past 6-8 years, I believe the B1G does this as well.)

They do, but the top 4 are rewarded with double-byes, also like the ACC.  Another huge advantage for essentially playing a non-competitive schedule.

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Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
In a league like that, where the schedule is not balanced, you can counteract the effect by letting everyone in the conference tournament. That's what the ODAC does. (And although I haven't watched much D-I bball in the past 6-8 years, I believe the B1G does this as well.)
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Quote from: toad22 on February 28, 2018, 03:22:08 PM
My plan for the NESCAC would be to play 15 league games. You play everybody one time per year, and then 5 more against a rotating group of teams. The Big10 does something like this, the MAAC as well. I'm sick of hearing all the complaining about the current schedule. The best teams in the league will still get in to the NCAAs.

You'd have to go down to 14 conference games or up to 16 conference games. You need an even number of results (a win and a loss for each game). 15 games x 11 teams gives you 165 results.

(Or you could do what Midwest Conference did for a few years and have a game between St. Norbert and Lawrence count as a conference game for St. Norbert but as a non-conference game for Lawrence to ensure all 11 teams played 9 conference games.)

toad22

Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on February 28, 2018, 05:34:31 PM
Quote from: toad22 on February 28, 2018, 03:22:08 PM
My plan for the NESCAC would be to play 15 league games. You play everybody one time per year, and then 5 more against a rotating group of teams. The Big10 does something like this, the MAAC as well. I'm sick of hearing all the complaining about the current schedule. The best teams in the league will still get in to the NCAAs.

You'd have to go down to 14 conference games or up to 16 conference games. You need an even number of results (a win and a loss for each game). 15 games x 11 teams gives you 165 results.

(Or you could do what Midwest Conference did for a few years and have a game between St. Norbert and Lawrence count as a conference game for St. Norbert but as a non-conference game for Lawrence to ensure all 11 teams played 9 conference games.)

14 or 16 games would be fine with me. Anything more than that is tough. The NESCAC only plays 24 games. For me, 16 is the maximum number of league games that I think is appropriate. 

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Quote from: sac on February 28, 2018, 04:38:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2018, 04:32:55 PM
In a league like that, where the schedule is not balanced, you can counteract the effect by letting everyone in the conference tournament. That's what the ODAC does. (And although I haven't watched much D-I bball in the past 6-8 years, I believe the B1G does this as well.)

They do, but the top 4 are rewarded with double-byes, also like the ACC.  Another huge advantage for essentially playing a non-competitive schedule.
SEC does the same thing with double buys, letting everyone in, and playing unbalanced scheduled.
Three home and homes are the same every year ie. Vanderbilt always plays Kentucky, Florida, and Tennessee twice while the remaining 2 rotate for twice to make 18 league games.