Pool C

[Knightstalker]

Yeah, well, Greg, my wife constantly reminds me that I "hide" [many things] well" -- except for my age and increasing decrepitude, that is.

Exposure to undergraduates can, indeed,  be hazardous. One often finds oneself inclined to sport a baseball cap worn with brim to the rear while wearing jeans composed mostly of holes and rips .... 

What is wrong with jeans composed mostly of holes and rips, that is just when they start to get comfortable.  It takes at least three years to properly break in a pair of jeans.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Yeah, well, Greg, my wife constantly reminds me that I "hide" [many things] well" -- except for my age and increasing decrepitude, that is.

Exposure to undergraduates can, indeed,  be hazardous. One often finds oneself inclined to sport a baseball cap worn with brim to the rear while wearing jeans composed mostly of holes and rips .... 

What is wrong with jeans composed mostly of holes and rips, that is just when they start to get comfortable.  It takes at least three years to properly break in a pair of jeans.

Amen (at least for the second sentence)!  I always wear jeans to teach, and my second youngest pair probably dates to about '95.  (Out of 'decorum', I DO draw the line at 'holes and rips'!  My department head and dean are 'liberal', but they have limits!)

[Greek Tragedy]

What is wrong with jeans composed mostly of holes and rips, that is just when they start to get comfortable.  It takes at least three years to properly break in a pair of jeans.

Back when I was a youngster...my mommy threw away jeans with holes and rips in them...now, you buy your jeans NEW like that.  What a joke. 

[John Gleich]

You guys are talking about SHOOTING people.  That's just wrong! 

Hey, basketball's always been a game for good shooters... and if we get in trouble for this, start speaking Spanish and say the true meaning all got lost in the translation!


(note: I've always wanted to try this some time when I got pulled over... I haven't been pulled over since I got the idea, and I'm not sure if I've got the cajones to do it, but I'd just like to see the cop's reaction...  I just hope he doesn't speak Spanish, or I'd be in even bigger trouble!)

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

It's just the news division that holds to "fair and objective."

You wanna rethink the way you phrased that one, Greg?

[Knightstalker]

You guys are talking about SHOOTING people.  That's just wrong! 

Hey, basketball's always been a game for good shooters... and if we get in trouble for this, start speaking Spanish and say the true meaning all got lost in the translation!


(note: I've always wanted to try this some time when I got pulled over... I haven't been pulled over since I got the idea, and I'm not sure if I've got the cajones to do it, but I'd just like to see the cop's reaction...  I just hope he doesn't speak Spanish, or I'd be in even bigger trouble!)

I would be careful, there are some parts of the country you do that and you will disappear.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

You guys are talking about SHOOTING people.  That's just wrong! 

Hey, basketball's always been a game for good shooters... and if we get in trouble for this, start speaking Spanish and say the true meaning all got lost in the translation!


(note: I've always wanted to try this some time when I got pulled over... I haven't been pulled over since I got the idea, and I'm not sure if I've got the cajones to do it, but I'd just like to see the cop's reaction...  I just hope he doesn't speak Spanish, or I'd be in even bigger trouble!)

I would be careful, there are some parts of the country you do that and you will disappear.

Didn't Tommy Lee Jones just make a movie about that?  I'd know more, but I can't convince my wife to see it.

[pabegg]

I thought that I would revive this thread and begin the discussion of the 2006-7 tournament selection.

The following table is a statistics-based "estimate" of what the regional rankings would loook like if they came out this week. To add to the information, I've expanded the rankings by 3 teams per region (like the old "honorable mentions"). See the notes at the bottom of the table for an explanation of the fields.


Reg Conf Rank School                    Natl Status      Reg Overall
NE  16   01   Amherst                   002  A w C       13-0 14-0
NE  13   02   Keene State               003  A w C       11-1 13-1
NE  13   03   Rhode Island College      005  C 1         13-1 13-1
NE  17   04   Worcester Polytech        007  A w C       10-1 12-1
NE  16   05   Trinity (Conn.)           019  C 7         9-2 12-2
NE  14   06   Salem State               022  A w C       9-2 9-2
NE  16   07   Bates                     036  C 14        10-2 11-2
NE  90   08   Brandeis                  041  C 19        11-3 11-3
NE  15   09   Husson                    051  A second    10-2 10-4
NE  16   10   Middlebury                064  C third     11-3 11-3
NE  11   11   Gordon                    066  A third     7-3 10-3
NE  14   12   Bridgewater State         069  C third     8-4 8-4
NE  16   13   Tufts                     074  C third     8-5 8-5

EA  90   01   Rochester                 010  C 3         11-2 11-3
EA  21   02   St. John Fisher           022  A w C       9-2 11-2
EA  90   03   New York University       025  C 9         10-2 11-2
EA  24   04   St. Lawrence              026  A w C       10-2 11-2
EA  21   05   Utica                     032  C 11        9-2 10-2
EA  24   06   Clarkson                  055  C second    10-3 10-3
EA  23   07   Brockport State           056  A second    8-3 9-3
EA  23   08   Geneseo State             066  C third     7-3 8-4

AT  32   01   Ramapo                    003  A w C       10-1 11-3
AT  33   02   Manhattanville            030  A w C       9-3 11-3
AT  32   03   Rutgers-Newark            037  C 16        8-3 10-3
AT  32   04   Rowan                     058  C second    8-2 11-2
AT  33   05   SUNY-Farmingdale          059  C second    7-2 9-3
AT  31   06   Richard Stockton          060  C second    8-3 11-5
AT  31   07   York (N.Y.)               068  C third     9-3 10-6
AT  32   08   William Paterson          078              10-4 10-5

MA  45   01   Johns Hopkins             016  A w C       12-1 13-2
MA  41   02   Catholic                  027  A w C       10-2 11-2
MA  41   02   Hood                      027  C 10        10-2 11-3
MA  42   04   Messiah                   037  C 17        7-2 10-4
MA  44   05   Alvernia                  041  A second    8-0 9-2
MA  41   06   Mary Washington           046  C second    9-2 10-3
MA  43   07   Scranton                  048  A second    10-3 12-3
MA  43   08   DeSales                   053  C second    9-2 11-3
MA  49   09   Lincoln                   062  B 4         8-2 11-5
MA  43   10   FDU-Florham               082              84 114
MA  43   11   King's                    095              95 96

SO  53   01   Guilford                  007  A w C       10-1 11-1
SO  51   02   Mississippi College       009  A w C       11-0 13-1
SO  53   03   Virginia Wesleyan         021  C 8         11-2 12-2
SO  54   04   DePauw                    032  A w C       9-2 12-3
SO  55   05   Averett                   035  C 13        8-2 10-4
SO  51   06   Mary Hardin-Baylor        040  C 18        10-3 10-3
SO  52   07   Maryville (Tenn.)         048  B 3         11-3 11-4
SO  55   08   Greensboro                051  A second    9-2 11-3
SO  54   09   Centre                    086              63 123
SO  51   10   Texas-Dallas              088              9-4 11-4
SO  54   11   Millsaps                  091              73 96

GL  61   01   Lake Erie                 017  A w C       9-0 12-1
GL  90   02   Carnegie Mellon           018  C 5         8-1 9-3
GL  63   03   Wooster                   031  A w C       8-1 13-2
GL  64   04   Ohio Northern             041  A second    7-3 12-3
GL  63   05   Wittenberg                044  C second    8-2 13-2
GL  65   06   Westminster (Pa.)         047  B 2         9-1 10-5
GL  62   07   Hope                      062  A third     5-1 12-2
GL  64   08   Heidelberg                073  C third     9-4 10-5
GL  64   09   John Carroll              077              8-4 9-6

MW  73   01   Aurora                    005  B 1         11-1 12-1
MW  71   02   Elmhurst                  012  C 4         9-1 13-1
MW  90   03   Washington U.             015  A w C       10-1 12-1
MW  71   04   Augustana                 027  A w C       12-2 12-3
MW  71   05   North Central             044  C second    5-2 10-4
MW  90   06   Chicago                   048  C second    10-3 11-3
MW  72   07   Bluffton                  056  A second    8-3 13-3
MW  72   08   Transylvania              072  C third     11-4 12-4
MW  72   09   Mt. St. Joseph            079              8-4 8-7
MW  72   10   Defiance                  086              84 104
MW  74   11   Carroll                   098  A other     74 75

WE  86   01   UW-Stevens Point          001  A w C       13-0 14-1
WE  82   02   St. John's                010  C 2         10-0 10-3
WE  82   03   St. Thomas                012  A w C       13-1 13-1
WE  83   04   Whitworth                 014  A w C       11-1 14-1
WE  83   05   Puget Sound               019  C 6         9-1 12-2
WE  84   06   Occidental                024  A w C       4-1 9-3
WE  86   07   UW-La Crosse              034  C 12        9-3 11-4
WE  84   08   Claremont-Mudd-Scripps    037  C 15        4-1 9-4
WE  86   09   UW-Oshkosh                054  C second    10-3 13-3
WE  81   10   Loras                     060  A second    8-3 10-5
WE  83   11   Pacific                   064  C third     6-2 8-6

Reg        Region
Conf       Conference number
Rank      Regional ranking
Prior       Prior regional ranking
School
Natl     National ranking based on regional results
Status
    B + number: Pool B ranking (top 3 in tournament)
    C + number: Pool C ranking of 19 teams in tournament
    C second: second tier Pool C (spots 20-29)
    C third: third tier Pool C (spots 30-39)
    A w C: Pool A, in likely Pool C range (1 to 13)
    A bubble: Pool A, in Pool C bubble range (14 to 19)
    A second: Pool A, in second tier Pool C
    A third: Pool A, in third tier Pool C
    blank: lower level Pool C



I've projected the Pool A bids based on my rating model (which uses all D3 games) and then projecting that the "best" team from each conference will win the Pool A bid.

Note that four Pool B teams appear in the rankings (with 4th place Lincoln as an honorable mention) so there is at least an outside shot for a Pool B contender in Pool C this year.

Brandeis shows as the 19th and last Pool C team, which would give the UAA five(!) teams in the tournament, with Chicago as a near miss.

With this bracket, the Pacific teams would get a full four team opening round, which would cost somebody else a seed.

[Pat Coleman]

Any luck on that database of 2001-02 basketball scores?

[David Collinge]

This must not take QoWI into account.  I think I can assure you that Lake Erie will not be the #1 GL team when QoWI is factored in.

[John Gleich]

Wow.... I clicked on "new" for this thread and pulled up the front page... it has UWSP at 91.... REALLY messed with my head!

19 Pool C's this year, correct?

[sac]

Is there anyway we can get in-region records added to the schedules page like before?

[Pat Coleman]

I hope to have that by the end of the week. It's one of the things we haven't rewritten to account for farming out game day data to D3Scoreboard.

[PrideSportBBallGuy]

+1 to pabegg

I really like what you did.  I am impressed.  I am going to use it develop my "poll/rankings" again. It wasn't easy trying to go back to last year's stats and create the poll since i had to pick out the tournament games from last year. (I know Mr. Coleman will be thrilled  )

Pat-

We often disagree on many issues.  I think it can be applied across the nation I believe I did have 15 of your top 25 listed and I know of 6, I couldn't get last year's stats for.  I did have Va Wesylean at #5 and d3hoops has at #7.  A little closer 

[pabegg]

A couple of notes to what I did.

My method is based on a combination of regional winning percentage and the QoWI. In order to do this, I needed to know what games were regional, and I've done all of that by hand. A few of the distance comparisons are really close (i.e. 199.8 miles) but I've looked at all of them. I wish there was an official source for this information.

David, Lake Erie is 3rd in the region in QoWI, behind Ohio Northern and Carnegie Mellon, but their unbeaten record offsets that, so they end up first on the composite measure.