Pool C

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Williams plays Amherst... if they win that semi-final game that will for sure be a quality win?

You sure about this? I thought Middlebury was the 1 seed...

It's not that they won't lean as heavily on that equation, they're not allowed ot use it at all. So basically all criteria are independent of each other.

I'm also guessing some of those results vRRO will go away. Wesleyan and Colby are done. Regionally ranked below 8 to me shouldn't matter anyway. They're just getting ranked on volume and not merit at that point.

NESCAC reseeds after the first round. So #2 Hamilton as the highest remaining seed will host the semis and final and will play Tufts while #3 Amherst and #4 Williams will play in the other semi.

[SaintPaulite]

Williams plays Amherst... if they win that semi-final game that will for sure be a quality win?

You sure about this? I thought Middlebury was the 1 seed...

It's not that they won't lean as heavily on that equation, they're not allowed ot use it at all. So basically all criteria are independent of each other.

I'm also guessing some of those results vRRO will go away. Wesleyan and Colby are done. Regionally ranked below 8 to me shouldn't matter anyway. They're just getting ranked on volume and not merit at that point.

NESCAC reseeds after the first round. So #2 Hamilton as the highest remaining seed will host the semis and final and will play Tufts while #3 Amherst and #4 Williams will play in the other semi.

Boy they game every system they can, don't they? Maybe if they played a real conference schedule they wouldn't have to fiddle with the tournament as it goes.

So Williams pretty much has to beat Amherst or they have nothing for a resume.

I wonder if Amherst will lay down for them to get another NESCAC team in...

[SaintPaulite]

Carnage among the questionable Pool C candidates out west.

Pomona-Pitzer, Whitworth and Augsburg all lose.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Williams plays Amherst... if they win that semi-final game that will for sure be a quality win?

You sure about this? I thought Middlebury was the 1 seed...

It's not that they won't lean as heavily on that equation, they're not allowed ot use it at all. So basically all criteria are independent of each other.

I'm also guessing some of those results vRRO will go away. Wesleyan and Colby are done. Regionally ranked below 8 to me shouldn't matter anyway. They're just getting ranked on volume and not merit at that point.

NESCAC reseeds after the first round. So #2 Hamilton as the highest remaining seed will host the semis and final and will play Tufts while #3 Amherst and #4 Williams will play in the other semi.

Boy they game every system they can, don't they? Maybe if they played a real conference schedule they wouldn't have to fiddle with the tournament as it goes.

So Williams pretty much has to beat Amherst or they have nothing for a resume.

I wonder if Amherst will lay down for them to get another NESCAC team in...

A lot of teams re-seed for the second round.  I didn't realize how common it was until I was updating the tourney tracker yesterday.  Short of the four conferences that haven't finished yet, all the info is in and set, so it should be going live soon!!

[SaintPaulite]

Williams plays Amherst... if they win that semi-final game that will for sure be a quality win?

You sure about this? I thought Middlebury was the 1 seed...

It's not that they won't lean as heavily on that equation, they're not allowed ot use it at all. So basically all criteria are independent of each other.

I'm also guessing some of those results vRRO will go away. Wesleyan and Colby are done. Regionally ranked below 8 to me shouldn't matter anyway. They're just getting ranked on volume and not merit at that point.

NESCAC reseeds after the first round. So #2 Hamilton as the highest remaining seed will host the semis and final and will play Tufts while #3 Amherst and #4 Williams will play in the other semi.

Boy they game every system they can, don't they? Maybe if they played a real conference schedule they wouldn't have to fiddle with the tournament as it goes.

So Williams pretty much has to beat Amherst or they have nothing for a resume.

I wonder if Amherst will lay down for them to get another NESCAC team in...

A lot of teams re-seed for the second round.  I didn't realize how common it was until I was updating the tourney tracker yesterday.  Short of the four conferences that haven't finished yet, all the info is in and set, so it should be going live soon!!

You shouldn't be able to just change the tournament.

The MIAC has the worst seed playing the #1 seed, but it's *the* #1 seed. It's not 'well if this team loses, then that'. And they actually play a meaningful regular season and about half the league doesn't make the tournament.

Basically everything the NESCAC does is ridiculous and clearly designed to game the system. I'm surprised their tournament isn't a series of best of 3 rounds lol.

[7express]

Are you kidding with Amherst "throwing the game"' Williams to get another conference team in??  Maybe if that was a Colby or Bowdoin or Bates I could buy that theory but against Williams??  No freaking way!  Amherst will likely come out even MORE motivated knowing a win could potentially keep their arch rivals out of the tournament!

[sac]

The Stanley Cup reseeds, its fine.

[Gregory Sager]

The NHL is obviously trying to game the system in order to get the leg up on ... uh, somebody.

[kiko]

The Stanley Cup reseeds, its fine.

So does the NFL coming out of the wild card weekend.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Williams plays Amherst... if they win that semi-final game that will for sure be a quality win?

You sure about this? I thought Middlebury was the 1 seed...

It's not that they won't lean as heavily on that equation, they're not allowed ot use it at all. So basically all criteria are independent of each other.

I'm also guessing some of those results vRRO will go away. Wesleyan and Colby are done. Regionally ranked below 8 to me shouldn't matter anyway. They're just getting ranked on volume and not merit at that point.

NESCAC reseeds after the first round. So #2 Hamilton as the highest remaining seed will host the semis and final and will play Tufts while #3 Amherst and #4 Williams will play in the other semi.

Boy they game every system they can, don't they? Maybe if they played a real conference schedule they wouldn't have to fiddle with the tournament as it goes.

So Williams pretty much has to beat Amherst or they have nothing for a resume.

I wonder if Amherst will lay down for them to get another NESCAC team in...

A lot of teams re-seed for the second round.  I didn't realize how common it was until I was updating the tourney tracker yesterday.  Short of the four conferences that haven't finished yet, all the info is in and set, so it should be going live soon!!

You shouldn't be able to just change the tournament.

The MIAC has the worst seed playing the #1 seed, but it's *the* #1 seed. It's not 'well if this team loses, then that'. And they actually play a meaningful regular season and about half the league doesn't make the tournament.

Basically everything the NESCAC does is ridiculous and clearly designed to game the system. I'm surprised their tournament isn't a series of best of 3 rounds lol.

What's funny is that the most apt critique of the NESCAC is that they don't care about the system enough.  Whether it's true or not, there's a pretty valid critique that the NESCAC believes it's above all this NCAA hoopla.  I mean, they didn't even compete in the NCAA Tournament for the first half of its existence.  I just don't believe what the NCAA thinks really factors into their decision-making at all.

[kiko]

Are you kidding with Amherst "throwing the game"' Williams to get another conference team in??  Maybe if that was a Colby or Bowdoin or Bates I could buy that theory but against Williams??  No freaking way!  Amherst will likely come out even MORE motivated knowing a win could potentially keep their arch rivals out of the tournament!

I used to work with someone who played on the Amherst women's team back in the day, and can confirm this.  Amherst would never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, never, ever go out of its way to do something to help Williams.

[nescac1]

Ryan Scott is 100 percent correct.  Note that not one aspect of Nescac scheduling changed upon finally deciding to become tourney-eligible, other than eventually (years later) instituting a Nescac championship. 

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Ryan Scott is 100 percent correct.  Note that not one aspect of Nescac scheduling changed upon finally deciding to become tourney-eligible, other than eventually (years later) instituting a Nescac championship.

The "we're too good for you" NESCAC stereotype is unkind and over-simplified, but it's not entirely baseless (neither in its existence nor in its veracity).

[nescac1]

It's nothing to do with "too good for you."   Certainly no Nescac fans, players or coaches act in such a fashion, so far as I've ever seen.  But certain elements in some Nescac institutions take a dim view of athletics, in general, which is unfortunate.  Of course the idea that these institutions, which are waging internal struggles against such forces with some regularity, would purposefully game anything to increase NCAA participation - which itself remains a source of controversy - is laughable. 

[SaintPaulite]

The Stanley Cup reseeds, its fine.

So does the NFL coming out of the wild card weekend.

That's not reseeding. That's just saying the #1 seed plays the lowest seed. How it probably should be done is that the #1 seed should get the choice of who they play, bc maybe the lowest seed is the one playing better than the higher one and you're really giving the #1 seed a tougher matchup. But whatever, it's not reseeding, regardless.

It's not "you get rewarded because someone lost even thought you didn't really earn it". Hamilton didn't earn the #1 seed so they shouldn't get benefit as if they did, basically.

It's whatever because it's a sham playoff after a sham season from a sham conference and in the end the NCAA will fall for it like they always do and they'll get exposed when they play a midwest/north team, like they almost always do.