Pool C

[Mr. Ypsi]

Whatever, I can't win.

You managed to win long enough to make about 100 posts before we figured out who you were, though. Welcome back and welcome back to banned.

I thought the tone of those posts sounded very familiar, but figured there was bound to be someone out there as obnoxious as Spence!

Good detective work, whoever it was that caught him!

[Inkblot]

Here's what all the regional rankings would look like if based on Massey:

• New Jersey City (2)
• Rowan (1)
• Ramapo (3)
• DeSales (6)
• Montclair State (4)
• William Paterson (5)
• Yeshiva (8)
• TCNJ (NR)

• Augustana (1)
• Wisconsin–Oshkosh (2)
• North Central (4)
• Wisconsin–Stevens Point (6)
• Wisconsin–La Crosse (5)
• Illinois Wesleyan (7)
• Wheaton (3)
• Wisconsin–Whitewater (NR)

• Rochester (1)
• Plattsburgh State (2)
• Oswego State (3)
• Alfred (NR)
• Skidmore (4)
• Oneonta (7)
• Nazareth (8)
• Cortland (6)

• Wooster (2)
• Marietta (1)
• Mount Union (6)
• Capital (3)
• Wittenberg (4)
• Wilmington (7)
• La Roche (5)
• Baldwin–Wallace (9)
• Wabash (8)

• Christopher Newport (1)
• Swarthmore (2)
• York (3)
• Salisbury (4)
• Mary Washington (5)
• Johns Hopkins (6)
• Drew (8)
• Arcadia (7)

• Amherst (1)
• Hamilton (2)
• MIT (5)
• Williams (3)
• Nichols (4)
• Middlebury (6)
• Wesleyan (10)
• Eastern Connecticut (8)
• Colby (11)
• Keene State (7)
• New England College (NR)

• Randolph–Macon (1)
• Emory (3)
• UT Dallas (NR)
• Centre (2)
• Lynchburg (6)
• Washington and Lee (4)
• Guilford (5)
• Mary Hardin–Baylor (8)

• Nebraska Wesleyan (2)
• Whitman (1)
• Pomona–Pitzer (6)
• St. Thomas (4)
• Loras (3)
• St. John's (5)
• Wartburg (NR)
• Whitworth (7)

[Gregory Sager]

Loras especially when talking about 2018-19. Wartburg struck a big blow for the conference's rep with its run a couple of years ago. And yes, NWU. Having a big doorstop (did Greg Sager TM that?) makes a big difference.

I hope Greg didn't - I've stolen that term also!

I'm having trouble capturing enough weasels to file the legal paperwork. Darned things keep gnawing through the burlap sack.

Whatever, I can't win.

You managed to win long enough to make about 100 posts before we figured out who you were, though. Welcome back and welcome back to banned.

Wasn't Spence a Marietta guy the last time that he spent a couple of weeks pestering everybody on the Pool C board? If so, he did a nice job of holding back on posting about the Pioneers this time around.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Never mentioning Marietta threw me off too.  In this incarnation he seemed to try to come off as a Tommie.  But the pugnacity, the sarcasm, and the wordings certainly seemed familiar.

[Fifth and Putnam]

Whatever, I can't win.

I try to do something unique and get no credit for it. But when I dare look at our lords and saviors rather than averting my eyes, I get -k - bombed. I don't really care, just pointing out the fact.

All I know is that there are a lot of people that agree with me, on this board and off. I'm not going to say who because I don't want to see them vilified like I have been here. But I'm done trying, I've said what I have to say and it's obvious that no one is willing to consider anything different than their opinion even in the face of more than a decade of evidence.

This year the country is more imbalanced than ever. There's hardly an eastern team in the top 10 in the country in either the F50 or Massey. The ARC is getting the respect they've deserved for a long time bc of NWU's success, to go with the annual quality in the other power leagues.

I'll put money on for whoever wants to go against it that the first time a NESCAC team faces a CCIW, WIAC, MIAC or ARC team, they'll lose. I doubt they even make it that far, much like the last couple of years.

If you're game, message me. Otherwise, I'm out. I don't need this abuse from people that claim themselves to be uber-worthy of respect and adoration in D3.

Enjoy the tournament everyone. I hope the committee sets it up so the best teams have a chance to advance to play each other, or be denied the opportunity on the court in a fair bracket, rather than having to battle just to get out of the first weekend. I hope, I don't expect.

I don't think anyone here would argue you bring good debates or conversation points to the table. It's the fact that they are loaded with insults, condescending statements, and "holier than thou" negativity that makes it so cumbersome and awful to deal with. It's always the same in every reincarnation of your profile. You point the finger at everyone else, but we all seem to get along just fine here with healthy good hearted debates without all the unnecessary negativity.

[Gregory Sager]

Whatever, I can't win.

I try to do something unique and get no credit for it. But when I dare look at our lords and saviors rather than averting my eyes, I get -k - bombed. I don't really care, just pointing out the fact.

All I know is that there are a lot of people that agree with me, on this board and off. I'm not going to say who because I don't want to see them vilified like I have been here. But I'm done trying, I've said what I have to say and it's obvious that no one is willing to consider anything different than their opinion even in the face of more than a decade of evidence.

This year the country is more imbalanced than ever. There's hardly an eastern team in the top 10 in the country in either the F50 or Massey. The ARC is getting the respect they've deserved for a long time bc of NWU's success, to go with the annual quality in the other power leagues.

I'll put money on for whoever wants to go against it that the first time a NESCAC team faces a CCIW, WIAC, MIAC or ARC team, they'll lose. I doubt they even make it that far, much like the last couple of years.

If you're game, message me. Otherwise, I'm out. I don't need this abuse from people that claim themselves to be uber-worthy of respect and adoration in D3.

Enjoy the tournament everyone. I hope the committee sets it up so the best teams have a chance to advance to play each other, or be denied the opportunity on the court in a fair bracket, rather than having to battle just to get out of the first weekend. I hope, I don't expect.

I don't think anyone here would argue you bring good debates or conversation points to the table. It's the fact that they are loaded with insults, condescending statements, and "holier than thou" negativity that makes it so cumbersome and awful to deal with. It's always the same in every reincarnation of your profile. You point the finger at everyone else, but we all seem to get along just fine here with healthy good hearted debates without all the unnecessary negativity.

He does put in his homework when he's so inclined, such as when he tried his hand at (very premature) bracket construction two days ago, I'll give him that. Of course, he's also prone to spout off about things he knows nothing about and refuses to acknowledge more informed sources, such as when he attacks the administrators of the NESCAC. And, in the end, who wants to engage in dialogue with someone who's loaded with that much bad attitude?

I'm eager to see what handle he uses and what team he purports to follow when he shows up next year to spread his own unique brand of sunshine on the Pool C board.

You have to admire his persistence. He's like a Whac-a-Mole with fangs.

[Greek Tragedy]

Never mentioning Marietta threw me off too.  In this incarnation he seemed to try to come off as a Tommie.  But the pugnacity, the sarcasm, and the wordings certainly seemed familiar.

What's wrong with being a Tommy?

[Rofrog]

Seriously does the NCAA use 'massey' when determining teams for the NCAA  d3 Mens or Womens Tournament?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Seriously does the NCAA use 'massey' when determining teams for the NCAA  d3 Mens or Womens Tournament?

Hell no ...

Has anyone noticed Massey's work has also been at least a week behind of late? Last few weeks, the data has been at least a week old, if not older, when i have checked in.

Anyway ... no. No they do not.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Never mentioning Marietta threw me off too.  In this incarnation he seemed to try to come off as a Tommie.  But the pugnacity, the sarcasm, and the wordings certainly seemed familiar.

What's wrong with being a Tommy?

Nothing (unless you're a Johnny ).  That just seemed to be his fake persona this go round.

Seriously does the NCAA use 'massey' when determining teams for the NCAA  d3 Mens or Womens Tournament?

No, not officially, but undoubtedly it creeps in to a degree.  The selection committee IS composed of humans, after all.

[Smitty Oom]

Never mentioning Marietta threw me off too.  In this incarnation he seemed to try to come off as a Tommie.  But the pugnacity, the sarcasm, and the wordings certainly seemed familiar.

What's wrong with being a Tommy?

Nothing (unless you're a Johnny ).  That just seemed to be his fake persona this go round.

I have not been in these streets too long, but I do remember a Marietta fan who had very similar posts as SaintPaulite two years ago... I agree, while the condescending tones of the posts were similar, he seemed to know too much about MN to not have lived here at one point. He was active on the MIAC thread last night when the quarterfinal games were being played, he got into it with Pat about being from St. Paul rather than Minneapolis (he even referenced highway 280 that is a rough line of demarcation between the Twin Cities) and lastly he mentioned he would prefer baseball games to be played at CHS Field, where the St Paul Saints, an Indepedent League team (and Hamline pipers), play their home games. Very cool stadium in downtown St. Paul.

None of that info is really all that hard to fake, so I get that. Part of me really hopes he did a lot of research for his new persona as a Tommie Fan.

[Mr. Ypsi]

He may have just moved to the TC, then learned enough to sound like a local.  Or, for that matter, he may be a Marietta grad who has been in the TC ever since graduation.

At any rate, he's a jerk, and I salute Pat for renewing his ban.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Seriously does the NCAA use 'massey' when determining teams for the NCAA  d3 Mens or Womens Tournament?

No, not officially, but undoubtedly it creeps in to a degree.  The selection committee IS composed of humans, after all.

Can we not spread something like this. It isn't true. When they are doing their work, they have computers in front of them giving them all the criteria information they need. They aren't looking at Massey numbers. We don't need to try and indicate somehow other things come into play.

I talk to a lot of coaches and committee members. Massey usually comes up in general at all times of the season. Not one coach I talk to ever references Massey as either something considered for rankings or selections or that they take too seriously. They find the information interesting, but they don't put as much stock in it as those on these boards do.

My main point is this ... when we try and say things like "undoubtedly it creeps in to a degree," it not only misinforms those who aren't as familiar with things ... but it also makes it seem like committee members are gaming things. We ask pointed questions when we talk to those individuals. They can answer them (and have). I don't think this kind of stuff helps.

[Mr. Ypsi]

Sorry, d-mac, but you are wrong  unless all of psychology is wrong.  I'm not saying they consciously use Massey (or the d3hoops.com poll) in their deliberations, but it is absolutely inevitable that some tinge of those rankings remain.  It is the same obvious truism as noting the 'anchoring bias' in polls, where early rankings continue to affect later rankings.  The human mind just can't avoid those apparently hard-wired evolutionary biases.

[Pat Coleman]

Not to keep talking about Spence, but yes, he does live (or has lived, at least) in the TC.