Pool C

[jamtod]

Not to keep talking about Spence, but yes, he does live (or has lived, at least) in the TC.

Sure sure BUT is he a TRUE (TM) Tommie?

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Sorry, d-mac, but you are wrong  unless all of psychology is wrong.  I'm not saying they consciously use Massey (or the d3hoops.com poll) in their deliberations, but it is absolutely inevitable that some tinge of those rankings remain.  It is the same obvious truism as noting the 'anchoring bias' in polls, where early rankings continue to affect later rankings.  The human mind just can't avoid those apparently hard-wired evolutionary biases.

But you are assuming they are looking at the numbers at the national level. You are assuming they know how Massey has them ranked in the first place.

I mentioned I have talked to coaches and committee members and Massey is brought up from time to time ... but not once in those conversations, especially with committee members, have I ever gathered they know where teams actually rank at this time of the season.

And curious ... what the hell is with the "you are wrong" BS. It is wording I don't use when having a discussion. You can't prove it one way or the other.

[Inkblot]

Didn't mean to start anything by posting the Massey numbers. I posted them just to show how the regional rankings compare to computer rankings. In most cases they're very similar, though there are some startling differences e.g. with UT Dallas.

I believe that the Massey ratings are up to date most of the time, though they've been a day behind at least once recently.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Didn't mean to start anything by posting the Massey numbers. I posted them just to show how the regional rankings compare to computer rankings. In most cases they're very similar, though there are some startling differences e.g. with UT Dallas.

I believe that the Massey ratings are up to date most of the time, though they've been a day behind at least once recently.

Massey numbers are fine to post. I look at them from time to time to see if I am missing someone I should be paying attention to (which is how I discovered the last few weeks that the data in Massey hasn't been updated very well recently).

I just don't think the idea of saying committee members have Massey numbers slipping into their minds in selections is worth stirring the pot about. From everything I am told and learn ... I just don't think it is a fair assessment or assumption (no matter what psychology minds think).

[Inkblot]

I just don't think the idea of saying committee members have Massey numbers slipping into their minds in selections is worth stirring the pot about. From everything I am told and learn ... I just don't think it is a fair assessment or assumption (no matter what psychology minds think).

Right. It's like how in Division I, the committee can use the KenPom/BPI/etc. numbers, but there's no reason to think they do to any meaningful extent.

[sac]

So this board is readable again?

Thank you

[iwumichigander]

Whatever, I can't win.

You managed to win long enough to make about 100 posts before we figured out who you were, though. Welcome back and welcome back to banned.

Surprised it took you guys this long  . But, GOOD JOB and thank you!!

[kiko]

Didn't mean to start anything by posting the Massey numbers. I posted them just to show how the regional rankings compare to computer rankings. In most cases they're very similar, though there are some startling differences e.g. with UT Dallas.

I believe that the Massey ratings are up to date most of the time, though they've been a day behind at least once recently.

Massey numbers are fine to post. I look at them from time to time to see if I am missing someone I should be paying attention to (which is how I discovered the last few weeks that the data in Massey hasn't been updated very well recently).

I just don't think the idea of saying committee members have Massey numbers slipping into their minds in selections is worth stirring the pot about. From everything I am told and learn ... I just don't think it is a fair assessment or assumption (no matter what psychology minds think).

This is literally the definition of "it creeps in to a degree".

I don't think Ypsi is suggesting the committee is doing anything untoward.  But to suggest that individual committee members are not subject to any subconscious biases or predispositions beyond the officially published selection criteria, whether from seeing Massey data or from some other origin, is to suggest these folks are not human.

[Oline89]

This may be the most basic of questions, and possibly listed somewhere on D3Hoops, but what exactly is the formula that D3 uses for SOS?  Is the same formula used in D3 football?

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[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

This may be the most basic of questions, and possibly listed somewhere on D3Hoops, but what exactly is the formula that D3 uses for SOS?  Is the same formula used in D3 football?

From our FAQ section: https://www.d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament

"The men's committee factors whether a game is played at home, away or on a neutral court. A multiplier of 1.25 is added to the OWP and OOWP for those games played away from home. A multiplier of 1.0 (no positive or negative effect) is included in the OWP and OOWP for all neutral games. A multiplier of 0.75 is included in the OWP and OOWP for all home games.

The women's committee does not use that multiplier."

[ronk]

Dave,
  Does the national committee exclusively do the next regional rankings? I assume there's no time after Sunday's games for the RACs to have a conference call and/or input for those rankings.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Dave,
  Does the national committee exclusively do the next regional rankings? I assume there's no time after Sunday's games for the RACs to have a conference call and/or input for those rankings.

RACs meeting in the morning, as far as I know, so they are working with some unknowns, but they're just advisory anyway.  Technically, the national committee does every ranking.

[wooscotsfan]

MIT and Capital both lost tonight and will be looking for Pool C bids.

Update: UW-Oshkosh down by 18 points with less than 3 minutes remaining so they will also be looking for a Pool C bid.

[Greek Tragedy]

#2 seed La Crosse lost too. They were #5 in the Central region. Their slim Pool C bid is probably nil now.