Pool C

[Gregory Sager]

Bracket of Death would be a great name for a metal band.

In fact, if we get stuck with one of those this season, I may even up the ante on it, metal-wise, by spelling it with an umlaut:

Bräcket of Death

[Gray Fox]

Bracket of Death would be a great name for a metal band.

In fact, if we get stuck with one of those this season, I may even up the ante on it, metal-wise, by spelling it with an umlaut:

Bräcket of Death

My band would not be good.  I'd call it Bracket of Dearth.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Secondary Criteria was the name of my band in college.

I do think D3 tournament time brings about some good band names.

* Secondary Criteria
* The Bid Thieves
* RAC
* Island Pod

Many more.

To paraphrase Justin Timberlake:

No "the" just Bid Thieves.

[tomt4525]

@d3bubble has 11 "locks and near locks."  These look right to me.

http://www.fantastic50.net/d3h_men.html

1. Williams: .800/.592/6-4
2. Amherst: .840/.558/6-3
3. UW-Oshkosh: .885/.544/3-3
4. St. Thomas: .846/.532/4-1
5. Loras: .760/.575/2-1
6. Rowan: .760/.551/8-3
7. MIT: .846/.554/1-0
8. Marietta: .769/.548/6-4
9. York (Pa): .778/.548/6-4
10. Rochester: .883/.529/5-1
11. Middlebury: .708/.599/4-5

I am going to add Capital and Plattsburgh State...

12. Capital: .741/.543/6-4
13. Plattsburgh State: .792/.530/6-5

So I feel like the tough decisions start at #14...


Round 14
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) Wheaton: .731/.567/4-4
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wittenberg: .800/.525/4-3
(MA) Salisbury: .704/.574/4-7
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 15
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) North Central: .800/.519/3-3
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wittenberg: .800/.525/4-3
(MA) Salisbury: .704/.574/4-7
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 16
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) North Central: .800/.519/3-3
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wittenberg: .800/.525/4-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-

Round 17
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) North Central: .800/.519/3-3
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wabash: .792/.524/2-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 18
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) Illinois Wesleyan: .692/.560/2-7
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wabash: .792/.524/2-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 19
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) Illinois Wesleyan: .692/.560/2-7
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wabash: .792/.524/2-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Eastern Connecticut: .760/.543/2-4
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 20
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) Illinois Wesleyan: .692/.560/2-7
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wabash: .792/.524/2-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Eastern Connecticut: .760/.543/2-4
(S) Guilford: .731/.531/3-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Are these your projections??  I'm just curious as you have Illinois Wesleyan getting to the table before UWSP in the Central, when the last rankings had UWSP ahead of IWU.

[ronk]

@d3bubble has 11 "locks and near locks."  These look right to me.

http://www.fantastic50.net/d3h_men.html

1. Williams: .800/.592/6-4
2. Amherst: .840/.558/6-3
3. UW-Oshkosh: .885/.544/3-3
4. St. Thomas: .846/.532/4-1
5. Loras: .760/.575/2-1
6. Rowan: .760/.551/8-3
7. MIT: .846/.554/1-0
8. Marietta: .769/.548/6-4
9. York (Pa): .778/.548/6-4
10. Rochester: .883/.529/5-1
11. Middlebury: .708/.599/4-5

I am going to add Capital and Plattsburgh State...

12. Capital: .741/.543/6-4
13. Plattsburgh State: .792/.530/6-5

So I feel like the tough decisions start at #14...


Round 14
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) Wheaton: .731/.567/4-4
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wittenberg: .800/.525/4-3
(MA) Salisbury: .704/.574/4-7
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 15
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) North Central: .800/.519/3-3
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wittenberg: .800/.525/4-3
(MA) Salisbury: .704/.574/4-7
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 16
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) North Central: .800/.519/3-3
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wittenberg: .800/.525/4-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-

Round 17
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) North Central: .800/.519/3-3
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wabash: .792/.524/2-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 18
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) Illinois Wesleyan: .692/.560/2-7
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wabash: .792/.524/2-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Gordon: .852/.506/2-2
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 19
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) Illinois Wesleyan: .692/.560/2-7
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wabash: .792/.524/2-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Eastern Connecticut: .760/.543/2-4
(S) Washington & Lee: .731/.534/5-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Round 20
(AT) Ramapo: .667/.569/8-5
(C) Illinois Wesleyan: .692/.560/2-7
(E) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(GL) Wabash: .792/.524/2-3
(MA) (no competitive Pool C candidate)
(NE) Eastern Connecticut: .760/.543/2-4
(S) Guilford: .731/.531/3-4
(W) Whitworth: .808/.528/1-2

Disagree with saying MA has no competitive Pool C candidate after Salisbury; I offer Scranton .769/.515estimate/2-2; most of the Pool C candidates have another loss to detract from their W/L %

[gordonmann]

I vote to have the Hoopsville segment with Bob Quillman renamed Bob and the Bid Thieves.

[Greek Tragedy]

Plattsburgh St takes a Pool C bid after their loss tonight.

MHB knocks themselves out of the tourney with a loss. They were #8 in the South region.

Grinnell held to 23 second half points vs LFC. Irrelevant to Pool C, but interesting nonetheless.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Disagree with saying MA has no competitive Pool C candidate after Salisbury; I offer Scranton .769/.515estimate/2-2; most of the Pool C candidates have another loss to detract from their W/L %

No chance. Scranton wasn't even ranked in the last regional rankings behind Drew ... and they just lost to Drew. That SOS is not going to do them any good, ronk. It is average best and their 2-2 isn't going to remain that way. Their non-conference SOS is currently about a .529, meaning the committee will see Scranton didn't try to change their resume with competitive out-of-conference scheduling.

Scranton is not a competitive Pool C candidate. I don't see how they get ahead of Mary Washington, Johns Hopkins, Arcadia, and Drew (in the rankings; at least half of those will probably still be there) after Salisbury.

[ronk]

 Expecting Arcadia and Drew to be excluded from pool C; Hopkins and UMW will have much worse W/L %; Scranton's vrro will be 2-2; it won't change any more.

[Rofrog]

They did crush York a team that is 3rd in region and someone said they are not good this year!

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

Expecting Arcadia and Drew to be excluded from pool C; Hopkins and UMW will have much worse W/L %; Scranton's vrro will be 2-2; it won't change any more.

I think it could change. There are two more rankings to be done. One team drops out by chance and it changes the data.

They did crush York a team that is 3rd in region and someone said they are not good this year!

That is already factored into the rankings currently. If it didn't get them ranked last week and had them at the bottom of the rankings previously, why do you think it will suddenly become an item that vaults them into the national tournament?

[Titan Q]

Are these your projections??  I'm just curious as you have Illinois Wesleyan getting to the table before UWSP in the Central, when the last rankings had UWSP ahead of IWU.

I have UW-Stevens Point as the Pool A team...not needing the Pool C.

[ronk]

Expecting Arcadia and Drew to be excluded from pool C; Hopkins and UMW will have much worse W/L %; Scranton's vrro will be 2-2; it won't change any more.

I think it could change. There are two more rankings to be done. One team drops out by chance and it changes the data.

They did crush York a team that is 3rd in region and someone said they are not good this year!

That is already factored into the rankings currently. If it didn't get them ranked last week and had them at the bottom of the rankings previously, why do you think it will suddenly become an item that vaults them into the national tournament?

It definitely won't change for the next ranking and is unlikely to change for the last ranking.
Another primary criteria(common opponents), which never seems to be mentioned in these rankings, has Scranton 1-0 vs UMW(1-2) and even with York(2-0) and JHU(3-1).

WRT the York result, it(head-to-head win) could return to prominence when 2 or 3 teams are compared for a certain ranking as the other primary criteria are changed by the conference playoff games results.

[Dave 'd-mac' McHugh]

ronk - comparable opponents is when it comes to other teams others have played. Again, Scranton with all the primary and secondary criteria examined is not even regionally ranked. I haven't seen a reason they should suddenly vault forward with yet another loss to Drew. BTW - if Drew were to stay ranked, that means a third loss in the vRRO category.

Again, when you talk about the York win ... it has been considered in Week 2 and Week 3's rankings already. When comparing and contrasting to other teams in the Mid-Atlantic Region, the win over York has resulted in Scranton being ranked seventh (out of eight) last in Week 2 and out of the rankings in Week 3. The conference games will only help solidify York's position in the rankings right now. I am not sure I see how it is going to, again, move Scranton up the rankings by five slots, suddenly.

Scranton's rankings to this point: 7 (without vRRO), 8, and N/A. I think you guys don't understand ... Scranton is in a really tough spot. The only thing that has worked in their advantage is that their SOS appears to have moved from a .508 to a .525 since Sunday (and will continue to adjust). That might allow them to get back into the rankings, but I just can't see them vaulting into a Pool C considered slot.

Granted more games have to be played, but the rankings leading up to this point have been pretty clear where Scranton sits in the Mid-Atlantic pecking order.

[ronk]

ronk - comparable opponents is when it comes to other teams others have played. Again, Scranton with all the primary and secondary criteria examined is not even regionally ranked. I haven't seen a reason they should suddenly vault forward with yet another loss to Drew. BTW - if Drew were to stay ranked, that means a third loss in the vRRO category.

Again, when you talk about the York win ... it has been considered in Week 2 and Week 3's rankings already. When comparing and contrasting to other teams in the Mid-Atlantic Region, the win over York has resulted in Scranton being ranked seventh (out of eight) last in Week 2 and out of the rankings in Week 3. The conference games will only help solidify York's position in the rankings right now. I am not sure I see how it is going to, again, move Scranton up the rankings by five slots, suddenly.

Scranton's rankings to this point: 7 (without vRRO), 8, and N/A. I think you guys don't understand ... Scranton is in a really tough spot. The only thing that has worked in their advantage is that their SOS appears to have moved from a .508 to a .525 since Sunday (and will continue to adjust). That might allow them to get back into the rankings, but I just can't see them vaulting into a Pool C considered slot.

Granted more games have to be played, but the rankings leading up to this point have been pretty clear where Scranton sits in the Mid-Atlantic pecking order.

I've already had the Drew results(1-2) in the vrro; that's why it won't change from 2-2(adding York 1-0 to Drew makes 2-2).

.525 is even more than I had hoped for.

    I realize that I'm working harder at this than the Royals did for the 1st 30 mins of their game with Drew last night.  If they had won that, reaching the final, then I wouldn't have to be advocating so much.