Pool C

kiko · February 22, 2023, 08:59:46 PM

Quote from: sac on February 22, 2023, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: kiko on February 21, 2023, 11:20:37 PM
Quote from: thebear on February 21, 2023, 10:12:34 AM
I am curious, if say the C17 spot is at the table [assuming a few bids go to other than conference front runners] and the two leading teams to get that bid have played each other, have similar W/L and SOS, does a single head to head win or season sweep by either team of the other overrride a small difference in SOS?

Have always wondered how that conversation goes.

Real tangible comparable data >>>>> a bunch of numbers on a spreadsheet that were potentially drawn from two barely overlapping datasets.

(And I like the current system in that it makes the selections as quantitative as possible when there may be limited overlap, versus a process that instead might gravitate toward prominent names that may not have done as much as schools that are less well known. But when you do have directly comparable data, you should lean hard into it.)

We're currently saying 14-11 is worth more than 22-3 though.

In the example I replied to, the comp was similar W/L and SOS. If that's the case, then yes, H2H should weigh heavily. But that's a lot different than an eight game difference in W-L record.

14-11 versus 22-3 gets us into a grey area. Is 22-3 significantly worse on SOS? I assume yes. Are they being pulled down by their conference where the 14-11 is being boosted by theirs? (Example - the CCIW's SOS reinforces itself as last I checked seven of the top 20 SOS in the country were in this conference.) I personally would try to balance the gauntlet 14-11 ran versus 22-3's steady diet of delicious Duncan Hines products. But at some point, 14-11 needs to win a few more of its games, and 22-3 needs to not be completely locked out of the tournament because they laid an egg that one time in their conference tournament.

Greek Tragedy · February 22, 2023, 09:28:09 PM

Catholic lost. No bubble burst there. They were ranked at the bottom of their region.

Greek Tragedy · February 22, 2023, 09:58:37 PM

Everyone's dream of a System Team making the NCAA tournament has died with Greenville's loss to Eureka tonight.

FCGrizzliesGrad · February 23, 2023, 12:00:43 AM

Region 1 vs. D3 Overall
1 St. Joseph (Conn.) 25-0 25-0 SF 2/24 vs St Joseph's (ME)
2 Middlebury 19-5 19-5 lost QF to #4 Tufts
3 Williams 22-3 22-3 SF 2/25 vs Colby
4 Tufts 19-5 19-6 SF 2/25 @ Hamilton
5 Hamilton 17-8 17-8 SF 2/25 vs Tufts
6 Wesleyan 16-9 16-9 lost QF to #7 Colby
7 Colby 19-6 19-6 SF 2/25 @ Williams

Region 2
1 Keene State 24-1 24-1 SF 2/23 vs E Conn
2 WPI 21-3 21-3 SF 2/23 vs Clark
3 Nichols 20-5 20-5 SF 2/23 vs Wentworth
4 Emerson 16-9 16-9 SF 2/23 vs Babson
5 Western New England 19-6 19-6 SF 2/23 vs Endicott
6 Babson 17-8 17-8 SF 2/23 @ Emerson

Region 3
1 Oswego State 23-2 23-2 SF 2/24 vs New Paltz
2 Rochester 16-8 16-8 2/25 vs Emory
3 Utica 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs St John Fisher
4 Nazareth 20-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs Alfred
5 Cortland 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 @ Brockport
6 Ithaca 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 vs RPI
7 Alfred 19-6 19-6 SF 2/24 @ Nazareth

Region 4
1 Rowan 20-5 20-5 F 2/25 vs Stockton
2 Stockton 21-4 21-4 F 2/25 @ Rowan
3 Montclair State 22-4 22-4 lost SF to #2 Stockton
4 NYU 17-7 17-7 2/24 vs Brandeis
5 DeSales 20-5 20-5 F 2/25 vs Arcadia
6 Kean 18-8 18-8 lost QF to TCNJ
7 Lancaster Bible 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 vs Wells

Region 5
1 Swarthmore 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Gettysburg
2 Johns Hopkins 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Muhlenberg
3 Widener 17-8 17-8 F 2/25 @ Alvernia
4 Alvernia 18-7 18-7 F 2/25 vs Widener
5 Muhlenberg 17-8 17-8 SF 2/24 @ Johns Hopkins
6 Susquehanna 16-9 16-9 lost SF to Juniata
7 Catholic 22-3 22-3 lost SF to Scranton

Region 6
1 Randolph-Macon 24-1 24-1 QF 2/24 vs Ferrum
2 Christopher Newport 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs TBD
3 Mary Washington 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 vs TBD
4 Hampden-Sydney 20-5 20-5 QF 2/24 vs Virginia Wesleyan
5 Emory 16-8 16-8 2/25 @ Rochester
6 Maryville 16-8 16-8 SF 2/24 vs Piedmont
7 Guilford 20-5 20-5 QF 2/24 vs Bridgewater

Region 7
1 Case Western Reserve 20-3 20-3 2/25 @ Carnegie Mellon
2 John Carroll 22-3 22-3 SF 2/23 vs Marietta
3 Mount Union 23-2 23-2 SF 2/23 vs Heidelberg
4 Wooster 19-5 19-5 SF 2/24 vs Denison
5 Heidelberg 18-7 18-7 SF 2/23 @ Mount Union
6 Carnegie Mellon 15-9 15-9 2/25 vs CWRU
7 Wabash 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 vs DePauw

Region 8
1 Wheaton (Ill.) 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Elmhurst
2 Washington U. 18-6 18-6 2/25 @ Chicago
3 North Park 19-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs Carthage
4 Elmhurst 16-9 16-9 SF 2/24 @ Wheaton
5 Carthage 17-8 17-8 SF 2/24 vs North Park
6 North Central (Ill.) 14-11 14-11 lost QF to #4 Elmhurst
7 St. Norbert 17-7 17-7 SF 2/24 vs Marian

Region 9
1 UW-Oshkosh 20-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs UWEC
2 UW-La Crosse 19-6 19-6 SF 2/24 vs UWW
3 Carleton 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Hamline
4 St. Mary's (Minn.) 16-9 16-9 lost QF to Hamline
5 UW-Eau Claire 16-9 16-9 SF 2/24 @ UWO
6 UW-Whitewater 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 @ UWL
7 Bethany Lutheran 20-4 21-4 SF 2/24 vs Minn-Morris

Region 10
1 St. Thomas (Texas) 21-2 22-2 SF 2/25 vs TBD
2 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-4 21-4 SF 2/24 vs Hardin-Simmons
3 Pomona-Pitzer 18-3 19-5 SF 2/24 vs Cal Lutheran
4 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 20-3 21-3 SF 2/24 vs Redlands
5 East Texas Baptist 20-5 20-5 SF 2/24 @ Texas-Dallas
6 Redlands 17-7 17-7 SF 2/24 @ C-M-S
7 Texas-Dallas 19-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs ETBU

Greek Tragedy · February 23, 2023, 10:33:34 AM

Good work. I was planning on doing this but never got around to it.

Greek Tragedy · February 23, 2023, 08:03:18 PM

Heidelberg down 14 at the break vs Mount Union. Doesn't look good for Pool C.

Greek Tragedy · February 23, 2023, 08:54:27 PM

JCU blows a 18-pt HT lead and loses by 4. Marietta plays Mt. Union in the OAC Final.

FCGrizzliesGrad · February 23, 2023, 10:13:19 PM

Region 1 vs. D3 Overall
1 St. Joseph (Conn.) 25-0 25-0 SF 2/24 vs St Joseph's (ME)
2 Middlebury 19-5 19-5 lost QF to #4 Tufts
3 Williams 22-3 22-3 SF 2/25 vs Colby
4 Tufts 19-5 19-6 SF 2/25 @ Hamilton
5 Hamilton 17-8 17-8 SF 2/25 vs Tufts
6 Wesleyan 16-9 16-9 lost QF to #7 Colby
7 Colby 19-6 19-6 SF 2/25 @ Williams

Region 2
1 Keene State 24-1 24-1 F 2/25 vs W Conn
2 WPI 21-3 21-3 F 2/25 vs Babson
3 Nichols 20-5 20-5 F 2/23 vs W New England
4 Emerson 16-9 16-9 lost SF to #6 Babson
5 Western New England 19-6 19-6 F 2/25 @ Nichols
6 Babson 17-8 17-8 F 2/25 @ WPI

Region 3
1 Oswego State 23-2 23-2 SF 2/24 vs New Paltz
2 Rochester 16-8 16-8 2/25 vs Emory
3 Utica 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs St John Fisher
4 Nazareth 20-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs Alfred
5 Cortland 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 @ Brockport
6 Ithaca 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 vs RPI
7 Alfred 19-6 19-6 SF 2/24 @ Nazareth

Region 4
1 Rowan 20-5 20-5 F 2/25 vs Stockton
2 Stockton 21-4 21-4 F 2/25 @ Rowan
3 Montclair State 22-4 22-4 lost SF to #2 Stockton
4 NYU 17-7 17-7 2/24 vs Brandeis
5 DeSales 20-5 20-5 F 2/25 vs Arcadia
6 Kean 18-8 18-8 lost QF to TCNJ
7 Lancaster Bible 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 vs Wells

Region 5
1 Swarthmore 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Gettysburg
2 Johns Hopkins 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Muhlenberg
3 Widener 17-8 17-8 F 2/25 @ Alvernia
4 Alvernia 18-7 18-7 F 2/25 vs Widener
5 Muhlenberg 17-8 17-8 SF 2/24 @ Johns Hopkins
6 Susquehanna 16-9 16-9 lost SF to Juniata
7 Catholic 22-3 22-3 lost SF to Scranton

Region 6
1 Randolph-Macon 24-1 24-1 QF 2/24 vs Ferrum
2 Christopher Newport 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs UCSC
3 Mary Washington 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 vs Salisbury
4 Hampden-Sydney 20-5 20-5 QF 2/24 vs Virginia Wesleyan
5 Emory 16-8 16-8 2/25 @ Rochester
6 Maryville 16-8 16-8 SF 2/24 vs Piedmont
7 Guilford 20-5 20-5 QF 2/24 vs Bridgewater

Region 7
1 Case Western Reserve 20-3 20-3 2/25 @ Carnegie Mellon
2 John Carroll 22-3 22-3 lost SF to Marietta
3 Mount Union 23-2 23-2 F 2/25 vs Marietta
4 Wooster 19-5 19-5 SF 2/24 vs Denison
5 Heidelberg 18-7 18-7 lost SF to #3 Mount Union
6 Carnegie Mellon 15-9 15-9 2/25 vs CWRU
7 Wabash 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 vs DePauw

Region 8
1 Wheaton (Ill.) 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Elmhurst
2 Washington U. 18-6 18-6 2/25 @ Chicago
3 North Park 19-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs Carthage
4 Elmhurst 16-9 16-9 SF 2/24 @ Wheaton
5 Carthage 17-8 17-8 SF 2/24 vs North Park
6 North Central (Ill.) 14-11 14-11 lost QF to #4 Elmhurst
7 St. Norbert 17-7 17-7 SF 2/24 vs Marian

Region 9
1 UW-Oshkosh 20-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs UWEC
2 UW-La Crosse 19-6 19-6 SF 2/24 vs UWW
3 Carleton 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Hamline
4 St. Mary's (Minn.) 16-9 16-9 lost QF to Hamline
5 UW-Eau Claire 16-9 16-9 SF 2/24 @ UWO
6 UW-Whitewater 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 @ UWL
7 Bethany Lutheran 20-4 21-4 SF 2/24 vs Minn-Morris

Region 10
1 St. Thomas (Texas) 21-2 22-2 SF 2/25 vs TBD
2 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-4 21-4 SF 2/24 vs Hardin-Simmons
3 Pomona-Pitzer 18-3 19-5 SF 2/24 vs Cal Lutheran
4 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 20-3 21-3 SF 2/24 vs Redlands
5 East Texas Baptist 20-5 20-5 SF 2/24 @ Texas-Dallas
6 Redlands 17-7 17-7 SF 2/24 @ C-M-S
7 Texas-Dallas 19-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs ETBU

Greek Tragedy · February 24, 2023, 07:49:49 PM

Utica goes down to SJFC. That's a bubble bursting.

FCGrizzliesGrad · February 24, 2023, 09:08:09 PM

Region 1 vs. D3 Overall
1 St. Joseph (Conn.) 25-0 25-0 SF 2/24 vs St Joseph's (ME)
2 Middlebury 19-5 19-5 lost QF to #4 Tufts
3 Williams 22-3 22-3 SF 2/25 vs #7 Colby
4 Tufts 19-5 19-6 SF 2/25 @ #5 Hamilton
5 Hamilton 17-8 17-8 SF 2/25 vs #4 Tufts
6 Wesleyan 16-9 16-9 lost QF to #7 Colby
7 Colby 19-6 19-6 SF 2/25 @ #3 Williams
MASCAC Champ
NAC Champ (SUNY Delhi vs ME-Farmington) 2/25

Region 2
1 Keene State 24-1 24-1 F 2/25 vs W Conn
2 WPI 21-3 21-3 F 2/25 vs #6 Babson
3 Nichols 20-5 20-5 F 2/25 vs #5 W New England
4 Emerson 16-9 16-9 lost SF to #6 Babson
5 Western New England 19-6 19-6 F 2/25 @ #3 Nichols
6 Babson 17-8 17-8 F 2/25 @ #2 WPI
NECC Champ

Region 3
1 Oswego State 23-2 23-2 SF 2/24 vs New Paltz
2 Rochester 16-8 16-8 2/25 vs Emory
3 Utica 22-3 22-3 lost SF to St John Fisher
4 Nazareth 20-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs #7 Alfred
5 Cortland 18-7 18-7 lost SF to Brockport
6 Ithaca 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 vs RPI
7 Alfred 19-6 19-6 SF 2/24 @ #4 Nazareth
Sky Champ (Manhattanville vs Farmingdale St) 2/25

Region 4
1 Rowan 20-5 20-5    won NJAC
2 Stockton 21-4 21-4 lost F to #1 Rowan
3 Montclair State 22-4 22-4 lost SF to #2 Stockton
4 NYU 17-7 17-7    won vs Brandeis
5 DeSales 20-5 20-5 F 2/25 vs Arcadia
6 Kean 18-8 18-8 lost QF to TCNJ
7 Lancaster Bible 18-7 18-7 F 2/25 vs TBD
CUNYAC Champ (Lehman vs Baruch) 2/24

Region 5
1 Swarthmore 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Gettysburg
2 Johns Hopkins 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Muhlenberg
3 Widener 17-8 17-8 F 2/25 @ #4 Alvernia
4 Alvernia 18-7 18-7 F 2/25 vs #3 Widener
5 Muhlenberg 17-8 17-8 SF 2/24 @ Johns Hopkins
6 Susquehanna 16-9 16-9 lost SF to Juniata
7 Catholic 22-3 22-3 lost SF to Scranton
AEC Champ (Neumann vs Marymount) 2/25
CSAC Champ (Keystone vs Wilson) 2/25
Land Champ (Juniata vs Scranton) 2/25

Region 6
1 Randolph-Macon 24-1 24-1 SF 2/25 vs Roanoke
2 Christopher Newport 22-3 22-3 F 2/25 vs #3 Mary Washington
3 Mary Washington 18-7 18-7 F 2/25 vs #2 Chris Newport
4 Hampden-Sydney 20-5 20-5 QF 2/24 vs Virginia Wesleyan
5 Emory 16-8 16-8 2/25 @ Rochester
6 Maryville 16-8 16-8 SF 2/24 vs Piedmont
7 Guilford 20-5 20-5 QF 2/24 vs Bridgewater
SAA Champ 2/26
USAC Champ (William Peace vs NC Wesleyan) 2/25

Region 7
1 Case Western Reserve 20-3 20-3 won UAA 2/25 @ #6 Carnegie Mellon
2 John Carroll 22-3 22-3 lost SF to Marietta
3 Mount Union 23-2 23-2 F 2/25 vs Marietta
4 Wooster 19-5 19-5 SF 2/24 vs Denison
5 Heidelberg 18-7 18-7 lost SF to #3 Mount Union
6 Carnegie Mellon 15-9 15-9    2/25 vs #1 CWRU
7 Wabash 18-7 18-7 F 2/25 vs TBD
AMCC Champ (Penn St-Altoona vs La Roche) 2/25
MIAA Champ 2/25
PAC Champ (Chatham vs Allegheny) 2/25

Region 8
1 Wheaton (Ill.) 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs #4 Elmhurst
2 Washington U. 18-6 18-6    2/25 @ Chicago
3 North Park 19-5 20-5 F 2/25 vs TBD
4 Elmhurst 16-9 16-9 SF 2/24 @ #1 Wheaton
5 Carthage 17-8 17-8 lost SF to #3 North Park
6 North Central (Ill.) 14-11 14-11 lost QF to #4 Elmhurst
7 St. Norbert 17-7 17-7 SF 2/24 vs Marian
HCAC Champ 2/25
SLIAC Champ 2/25

Region 9
1 UW-Oshkosh 20-5 20-5 SF 2/24 vs #5 UWEC
2 UW-La Crosse 19-6 19-6 SF 2/24 vs #6 UWW
3 Carleton 22-3 22-3 SF 2/24 vs Hamline
4 St. Mary's (Minn.) 16-9 16-9 lost QF to Hamline
5 UW-Eau Claire 16-9 16-9 SF 2/24 @ #1 UWO
6 UW-Whitewater 18-7 18-7 SF 2/24 @ #2 UWL
7 Bethany Lutheran 20-4 21-4 SF 2/24 vs Minn-Morris
ARC Champ (Coe vs Loras) 2/25
MWC Champ 2/25

Region 10
1 St. Thomas (Texas) 21-2 22-2 SF 2/25 vs Schreiner
2 Mary Hardin-Baylor 21-4 21-4 SF 2/24 vs Hardin-Simmons
3 Pomona-Pitzer 18-3 19-5 SF 2/24 vs Cal Lutheran
4 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 20-3 21-3 SF 2/24 vs #6 Redlands
5 East Texas Baptist 20-5 20-5 F 2/25 vs TBD
6 Redlands 17-7 17-7 SF 2/24 @ #4 C-M-S
7 Texas-Dallas 19-5 20-5 lost SF to #5 ETBU
NWC Champ 2/25

Greek Tragedy · February 24, 2023, 09:38:30 PM

Oswego St holds off New Paltz, saving a bubble for now.

Greek Tragedy · February 24, 2023, 09:48:10 PM

Whitewater knocks off La Crosse. No bubble burst yet unless Whitewater beats Oshkosh Sunday.

Greek Tragedy · February 24, 2023, 09:49:57 PM

Elmhurst beat Wheaton, so NPU will have to beat Elmhurst to prevent another bubble bursting.

Greek Tragedy · February 24, 2023, 10:17:15 PM

UMHB goes down to Hardin Simmons.

Greek Tragedy · February 24, 2023, 10:36:00 PM

Still the 1st half, but CMS and PP are both losing their SCIAC semis right now.