Pool C

[FCGrizzliesGrad]

Pool C teams
Top Left: John Carroll, Montclair St, Johns Hopkins
Bottom Left: Utica, UW-Oshkosh, WashU, NYU
Top Right: Tufts, Rochester, Middlebury, Mary Washington, Stockton
Bottom Right: Hampden-Sydney, Emory, St Thomas, Mary Hardin-Baylor, Wheaton (IL), Pomona-Pitzer, Williams, St Joseph

UAA with 4, NESCAC with 3. That's 1/3 of the bids to just two conferences.

[thebear]

If you look at the National Rankings of those 7 [UAA/NESCAC] schools, and you have a student-athlete who has the grades to get in and you have the cash/aid package to send them, easy decision and in most cases the "network" benefits them for the rest of their lives.  Definitely a recruiting advantage for those schools.

If you have a sports-minded kid, John Carroll has an outstanding record placing grads with professional sports teams.

Johns Hopkins & Pomona-Pitzer are both top academic schools [same tier as UAA and NESCAC] and Wheaton and Hampden-Sydney are top 100 schools.

[d3hoopstories]

Looks like 10 teams for 5-7 Pool C slots. I have those 10 in the following order for now:

St. Thomas (TX)
Mt Union
TCNJ
Stevens
Eastern
Swarthmore
Loras
Clark
Hope
Albertus Magnus

[Flying Dutch Fan]

Looks like 10 teams for 5-7 Pool C slots. I have those 10 in the following order for now:

St. Thomas (TX)
Mt Union
TCNJ
Stevens
Eastern
Swarthmore
Loras
Clark
Hope
Albertus Magnus

Question - how do you have Mt Union (#7 in Region 7) in ahead of Hope (#6 in Region 7)?  You are not alone in that prediction, but if you are right, it means Mt Union jumps Hope in the final RR.  What's the justification for that?. 

Being in Pool C means both teams lose another game.  Mt Union faces Heidelberg (not a RRO) and with a win potentially JCU (#2 R7). 

Hope faces Calvin (#4 R7) and with a win, potentially Trine (#3 R7). 

I supose you are assuiming a Hope loss and a Mt Union win in their next games.  Should they both win, and then lose their conf finals, I see Hope with the advantage, with the 1-1 RRO boost.

I see Hope as win and you're in versus Calvin on Friday

[Inkblot]

Looks like 10 teams for 5-7 Pool C slots. I have those 10 in the following order for now:

St. Thomas (TX)
Mt Union
TCNJ
Stevens
Eastern
Swarthmore
Loras
Clark
Hope
Albertus Magnus

Question - how do you have Mt Union (#7 in Region 7) in ahead of Hope (#6 in Region 7)?  You are not alone in that prediction, but if you are right, it means Mt Union jumps Hope in the final RR.  What's the justification for that?. 

Being in Pool C means both teams lose another game.  Mt Union faces Heidelberg (not a RRO) and with a win potentially JCU (#2 R7). 

Hope faces Calvin (#4 R7) and with a win, potentially Trine (#3 R7). 

I supose you are assuiming a Hope loss and a Mt Union win in their next games.  Should they both win, and then lose their conf finals, I see Hope with the advantage, with the 1-1 RRO boost.

I see Hope as win and you're in versus Calvin on Friday

As it currently stands:

Hope .769, .534, 1-4 RRO
Mount Union .760, .553, 1-2 RRO

That looks to me like advantage Mount Union at the moment. (Mount Union picked up an RRO win by St. John's moving into the rankings.)

[w00lax]

Is the NCAC a one bid league?

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Is the NCAC a one bid league?

Almost certainly.

[KnightSlappy]

Is the NCAC a one bid league?

Almost certainly.

Certainly.

[ziggy]

Regarding the Hope/Mount Union order, here is the update following yesterday's results which included Mount Union's OAC semifinal win over Heidelberg

Mount Union: 0.769 WP/0.555 SOS/1-2
Hope: 0.769/0.535/1-4

It is very close between these two but there are a couple mental adjustments that should be made in Hope's favor. One, the Hope win over a regionally ranked opponent (Calvin) is of higher quality than Mount Union's (St. John's). Two, Hope has an advantage in results versus common opponents (also one of the primary criteria) by beating Wilmington compared to Mount Union's 0-2 vs. Wilmington.

Fortunately, no decisions need to be made based on this snapshot in time. I think the final order between these two mostly comes down to what happens tonight between Hope and Calvin. A Hope win should assure them Pool C consideration before Mount Union (should both need it). A Hope loss and my guess is the order would flip.

[w00lax]

Is anyone else having issues with the Witt vs Woo game feed from the Wabash website?

[deiscanton]

Just to confirm the previous message--

I just checked the on-demand replay for the game this morning (4:17 AM ET, Sat. Feb. 24) and Wabash did have technical difficulties on their end getting the stream up and running for the first NCAC semfinal game yesterday.

The on-demand replay does not start until 12:45 left until halftime and with Wittenberg up 12-11 over Wooster in the first half.   Just in case you missed the game live and want to check the game for some highlights, if not to watch the replay in its entirety.

[thebear]

New Paltz just won at Oswego, so the Lakers are a likely bid thief.

[Greek Tragedy]

So, we don't have Regional Rankings anymore. We have the simple, yet super boring, NPI. Here is this morning's rankings via d3datacast. Not official, but pretty close.

https://d3datacast.com/npi/

Current (A) bids and Pool C position

AEC - Marymount
AMCC - Pitt-Bradford
ARC - Dubuque (A) or Nebraska Wes (23)
ASC - Hardin-Simmons (A) or UMHB (30)
C2C - CNU (A) or Salisbury (28)
CC - 2 or 3 - JHU (A), Gettysburg (11), Franklin & Marshall (20)
CNE - W New England
CCIW - 2 or 3 - Carthage (A), IWU (6), NPU (27)
CCS - Belhaven
CUNYAC - Lehman
E8 - Brockport
GNAC - St. Joseph's (Maine)
HCAC - Anderson
LAND - 2 - Drew (A), Catholic (8)
LEC - Keene St
LL - RPI
MACC - York PA
MACF - Stevens
MASCAC - Westfield St
MIAA - 2 - Calvin (A), Trine (12)
MIAC - 2 - St. John's (A), Gustavus Adolphus (15)
MWC - Monmouth
NAC - Husson
NACC - WLC
NCAC - Denison
NESCAC - 4 or 5 - Wesleyan (A), Trinity (3), Tufts (5), Hamilton (9), Williams (24)
NEWMAC - WPI
NJAC - 4 - Stockton (A), Ramapo (10), TCNJ (14), Montclair St (16)
NWC - Whitorth
OAC - John Carroll
ODAC - 4 or 5 - RMC (A), Hampden-Sydney (4), Roanoke (18), Virginia Wesleyan (19), Guilford (26)
PAC - Chatham
SAA - Berry
SCAC - 2 - St. Thomas (A), Trinity (21)
SCIAC - 2 - Redlands (A), Cal Lutheran (13)
SKY - Farmingdale St
SUNYAC - Cortland
UAA - 4 or 5 - NYU (A), Emory (1), Wash U (7), Chicago (17), Brandeis (25)
UMAC - North Central (MN)
USAC - Southern Virginia
WIAC - 2 or 3 - Platteville (A), La Crosse (2), Stevens Point (22), Eau Claire (29)

[Greek Tragedy]

I didn't know regional rankings were still a thing. Why have them if they use NPI??

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d3/regional-rankings-0

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

I didn't know regional rankings were still a thing. Why have them if they use NPI??

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d3/regional-rankings-0

It sure is interesting to compare the regions this way.  We always knew there were weaker and stronger regions, but seeing it laid out like this is pretty informative.