Pool C

ziggy · February 04, 2009, 02:10:55 PM

You can find regional rankings at:
http://www.ncaa.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/ncaa/sports/m-baskbl/auto_pdf/DIIIMBBRANKING2-4-09

Pat Coleman · February 04, 2009, 02:37:14 PM

Thanks. We have them on our blog ready for commentary and for everyone to correct the NCAA's regional records.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/04/alert-regional-rankings-released/

pabegg · February 04, 2009, 02:42:38 PM

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2009, 02:37:14 PM
Thanks. We have them on our blog ready for commentary and for everyone to correct the NCAA's regional records.

http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/02/04/alert-regional-rankings-released/

OK, Pat, I'm on it.

Pat Coleman · February 04, 2009, 02:50:51 PM

You da man!

Titan Q · February 04, 2009, 07:03:58 PM

Here are the Pool C teams from last year, listed in order of in-region winning %...

Amherst (NESCAC), 23-2 (.920)
Centre (SCAC), 20-2 (.909)
Mass-Dartmouth (LEC), 25-3 (.893)
Gettysburg (CC), 20-3 (.870)
Wooster (NCAC), 16-3 (.842)
Brandeis (UAA), 19-4 (.826)
Capital (OAC), 22-5 (.815)
Buena Vista (IIAC), 17-4 (.809)
Va. Wesleyan (ODAC), 21-5 (.808)
Worcester Poly (NEWMAC), 20-5 (.800)
Rochester (UAA), 19-5 (.792)
Bowdoin (NESCAC), 21-6 (.777)
Occidental (SCIAC), 14-4 (.777)
UW-Stevens Point (WIAC), 20-6 (.769)
Wash U (UAA), 16-5 (.762)
Middlebury (NESCAC), 18-6 (.750)
Wheaton (CCIW), 15-7 (.682)

By conference...

NESCAC – 3
UAA - 3
CC – 1
CCIW - 1
IIAC - 1
LEC – 1
NCAC – 1
NEWMAC - 1
OAC – 1
ODAC - 1
SCAC – 1
SCIAC – 1
WIAC - 1

Ralph Turner · February 04, 2009, 11:35:20 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2008, 01:08:19 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on February 28, 2008, 01:02:54 AM
Oh yeah,

If I have time tomorrow, I'll try to put up this week's regional rankings and results as well...then Ralph or someone with power can edit it if needed.
Glad to help...

I think that the Pool C board has been even better this year.

Pabegg has been a big help with his number-crunching! As I have said before, his numbers are unofficial, but I think that we are seeing the last few teams at the table.

I don't think that there will be any surprises when the final list comes down. I will be interested in how the committee arrived at the final list.

This thing is getting more transparent every season.

Take home lesson...

if you can point to one game that you should not have lost, then that was probably the game that did you in.

I was trying to review our Pool C discussions from last year, and it seems the pabegg's tabular printouts of the OWP/OOWP and in-region records have disappeared.

That is sad, because they added great value to our learning how to use the data!

Sorry, my bad! I did not search far enough back into the postings!

Pat Coleman · February 05, 2009, 12:01:43 AM

This is the last one I see.

Quote from: pabegg on February 25, 2008, 12:31:17 PM
Here are my updated rankings with games through Sunday:

Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI OWP OOWP School Natl Status Reg Overall

NE 16 01 01 0.6787 0.6016 0.5535 Amherst 001 A w C 23-1 23-2
NE 13 02 02 0.6285 0.5319 0.5303 Mass-Dartmouth 003 A w C 23-2 23-2
NE 17 03 04 0.6136 0.5434 0.5414 Worcester Polytech 010 A w C 19-4 20-5
NE 90 04 03 0.6456 0.6100 0.5798 Brandeis 014 C 2 18-5 19-5
NE 16 05 05 0.6194 0.5724 0.5327 Bowdoin 015 C 3 20-5 20-5
NE 16 06 06 0.6277 0.5999 0.5283 Middlebury 020 C 5 18-5 19-6
NE 16 07 07 0.6387 0.6165 0.5490 Trinity (Conn.) 022 C 7 17-5 19-6
NE 12 08 09 0.5648 0.4419 0.5003 Emerson 034 A w C 21-3 22-3
NE 13 09 08 0.5961 0.5469 0.5305 Rhode Island College 039 C 15 19-6 19-6
NE 16 10 10 0.5977 0.5765 0.5423 Bates 050 C second 16-7 17-8
NE 15 11 11 0.5691 0.5102 0.4832 Elms 054 A second 17-5 19-6
NE 14 12 12 0.5714 0.5110 0.5036 Salem State 056 A second 19-6 19-6

EA 23 01 01 0.6309 0.4980 0.5276 Plattsburgh State 002 A w C 20-0 23-2
EA 90 02 02 0.6343 0.5948 0.5649 Rochester 017 C 4 18-5 19-5
EA 23 03 03 0.6049 0.5691 0.5312 Brockport State 035 C 13 15-5 18-7
EA 24 04 07 0.5954 0.5527 0.5144 St. Lawrence 037 A w C 16-5 17-8
EA 21 05 05 0.5613 0.4607 0.5236 Stevens 046 A second 20-5 20-5
EA 21 06 04 0.5906 0.5552 0.5319 Nazareth 052 C second 18-7 18-7
EA 23 07 06 0.5788 0.5420 0.5169 Oswego State 058 C second 15-6 18-6

AT 32 01 03 0.5814 0.5108 0.5214 Richard Stockton 036 A w C 18-5 18-6
AT 33 02 01 0.5590 0.4666 0.4767 SUNY-Farmingdale 043 A second 19-4 20-5
AT 32 03 02 0.5802 0.5275 0.5158 William Paterson 049 C second 18-6 18-6

MA 45 01 01 0.6227 0.5120 0.5145 Ursinus 004 A w C 20-1 23-2
MA 45 02 02 0.6199 0.5294 0.5161 Gettysburg 005 C 1 19-2 21-3
MA 42 03 03 0.6160 0.5601 0.5343 Widener 016 A w C 17-4 20-5
MA 42 04 07 0.5963 0.5568 0.5443 Albright 045 C second 16-6 16-7
MA 41 05 04 0.5825 0.5390 0.5020 York (Pa.) 047 A second 18-6 18-7
MA 43 06 05 0.5589 0.4651 0.5055 DeSales 051 A second 16-4 20-5

SO 54 01 01 0.6129 0.5031 0.4981 Centre 006 A w C 18-1 23-1
SO 51 02 02 0.6004 0.4940 0.5047 Mary Hardin-Baylor 008 A w C 20-2 22-3
SO 53 03 04 0.6053 0.5306 0.5267 Guilford 011 A w C 20-4 21-4
SO 53 04 03 0.5970 0.5198 0.5225 Virginia Wesleyan 021 C 6 19-4 20-5
SO 54 05 05 0.5847 0.4756 0.4929 Millsaps 024 C 8 17-2 22-3
SO 52 06 06 0.5719 0.4511 0.4967 Maryville (Tenn.) 030 B 1 16-2 22-2
SO 53 07 08 0.5885 0.5384 0.5272 Randolph-Macon 044 C second 15-5 20-5
SO 54 08 07 0.5708 0.5063 0.5088 DePauw 053 C second 16-5 19-6
SO 51 09 09 0.5707 0.5070 0.5066 Mississippi College 055 C second 165 19-5

GL 62 01 03 0.5979 0.5064 0.4963 Hope 012 A w C 15-2 21-3
GL 64 02 01 0.6035 0.5284 0.5239 Capital 013 A w C 20-4 21-4
GL 63 03 02 0.5852 0.4844 0.4899 Wooster 025 A w C 15-2 22-3
GL 64 04 04 0.5941 0.5189 0.5202 Heidelberg 028 C 9 18-4 20-5
GL 61 05 06 0.5719 0.4662 0.4917 Penn State-Behrend 032 A w C 19-3 21-4
GL 62 06 05 0.5678 0.4744 0.4987 Albion 040 C 16 14-3 18-5
GL 63 07 08 0.5751 0.5255 0.4874 Ohio Wesleyan 048 C second 16-5 17-7

MW 74 01 02 0.6142 0.5245 0.5077 Lawrence 007 A w C 18-2 20-2
MW 90 02 01 0.6647 0.6467 0.5652 Washington U. 009 A w C 16-4 19-5
MW 71 03 03 0.6244 0.5752 0.5553 Augustana 018 A w C 19-5 20-5
MW 90 04 05 0.6183 0.6053 0.5670 Chicago 041 C 17 16-7 17-7
MW 71 05 06 0.6042 0.5769 0.5489 Wheaton (Ill.) 042 C second 15-6 19-6
MW 76 06 08 0.5595 0.4926 0.4801 Webster 057 A second 17-5 19-5
MW 73 07 09 0.5525 0.4662 0.4949 Aurora 059 B 2 18-5 20-5

WE 82 01 01 0.5960 0.4990 0.5222 St. Thomas 019 A w C 19-3 21-4
WE 84 02 03 0.6004 0.5309 0.5275 Occidental 023 A w C 13-3 20-4
WE 86 03 02 0.6143 0.5747 0.5251 UW-Stevens Point 026 A w C 18-5 20-5
WE 81 04 04 0.5903 0.4958 0.5276 Buena Vista 027 A w C 16-3 20-5
WE 86 05 07 0.5874 0.4923 0.5391 UW-Whitewater 029 C 10 19-4 21-4
WE 81 06 05 0.5929 0.5183 0.5350 Loras 031 C 11 16-4 19-6
WE 84 07 06 0.5809 0.4975 0.5285 Cal Lutheran 033 C 12 16-4 20-4
WE 86 08 09 0.5898 0.5256 0.5351 UW-Platteville 038 C 14 17-5 19-6
WE 89 09 11 0.5398 0.3873 0.5274 Nebraska Wesleyan 060 B 3 6-1 13-12

I've trimmed the rankings down to the top 60 nationally, as no one below that has any shot at a Pool C bid.

The top 31, through Loras, have probably clinched a Pool C bid already if they need one.

The next set of teams down to #41 Chicago are on the bubble, subject to seeing bids disappear with hgiher ranked teams gettting upset in conference tournaments.

There typically isn't much movement in tournament week. With the exception of the UAA, Pool C contestants will have exactly one loss this week (no losses would mean that they win the Pool A bid). NOTE: I just realized that the St. Louis and Southern Cal conferences both have one league game left before tournament time. So Cal Lutheran must win their final regular season game to hold onto their position.

Scranton leads Chapman and Moravian in the race for the final Pool B slot, but Nebraska Wesleyan's bid really depends on how they do in the D3 Independents Tournament.

pabegg · February 05, 2009, 09:22:49 AM

That's the last one, Pat. I'm surprised that I never posted final numbers, although I certainly ran them after all the games ended.

Greek Tragedy · February 06, 2009, 01:08:33 AM

Pool A: Conference leaders

Atlantic
1. Richard Stockton 19-2 16-2 (NJAC)
2. Farmingdale State 16-2 16-2 (SKY)
3. William Paterson 15-4 15-4 (NJAC)
4. Baruch 17-4 15-3 (CUNYAC)
5. Montclair State 15-5 12-5 (NJAC)

East
1. Ithaca 17-1 15-1 (E8)
2. St. Lawrence 13-4 11-4 (LL)
3. Hamilton 12-5 10-1 (LL)
4. Rochester 13-5 13-5 (UAA)
5. Rochester Tech 14-4 11-4 (E8)

Great Lakes
1. Capital 17-2 15-2 (OAC)-tied with John Carroll
2. Carnegie Mellon 14-4 10-3 (UAA)
3. John Carroll 14-4 12-3 (OAC)-tied with Capital
4. Calvin 12-6 7-1 (MIAA)
5. Hope 14-5 7-2 (MIAA)
6. Ohio Northern 14-5 12-4 (OAC)

Middle Atlantic
1. Franklin & Marshall 17-2 16-2 (CC)
2. Gwynedd-Mercy 15-2 14-1 (CSAC)
3. DeSales 16-3 15-3 (MACF)
4. Wesley 12-5 10-1 (CAC)
5. St. Mary's (Md.) 15-4 12-2 (CAC)
6. McDaniel 14-5 12-4 (CC)
7. Widener 14-5 12-5 (MACC)
8. Gettysburg 13-5 13-5 (CC)

Midwest
1. Washington U. 17-1 16-1 (UAA)
2. Elmhurst 15-4 15-4 (CCIW)
3. Wheaton (Ill.) 16-3 12-3 (CCIW)
4. St. Norbert 16-1 15-1 (MWC)
5. Transylvania 14-4 11-2 (HCAC) *Franklin leads HCAC
6. Augustana 15-5 14-5 (CCIW)
7. North Central (Ill.) 13-6 11-4 (CCIW)
8. Carroll 13-5 13-5 (MWC)

Northeast
1. Worcester Polytech 16-3 16-2 (NEWMAC)-tied with MIT
2. Middlebury 18-2 16-1 (NESCAC)
3. Mass-Dartmouth 17-2 15-2 (LEC)-tied with Rhode Island College
4. Elms 17-1 16-1 (NECC)
5. Salem State 15-4 14-4 (MASCAC)-tied with Bridgewater St.
6. MIT 14-5 13-3 (NEWMAC)-tied with WPI
7. Colby 13-5 10-4 (NESCAC)
8. Rhode Island College 14-4 14-4 (LEC)-tied with Mass-Dartmouth
9. Amherst 16-3 14-3 (NESCAC)
10. Bridgewater State 13-5 12-3 (MASCAC)-tied with Salem St.

South
1. Trinity (Texas) 17-2 14-2 (SCAC)
2. Texas-Dallas 17-2 15-2 (ASC)
3. Guilford 15-4 14-4 (ODAC)-tied with Randolph-Macon
4. McMurry 13-5 12-3 (ASC)
5. Randolph-Macon 14-5 12-2 (ODAC)-tied with Guilford
6. DePauw 15-5 12-4 (SCAC)
7. Centre 15-4 12-4 (SCAC)
8. LeTourneau 13-6 12-4 (ASC)

West
1. UW-Stevens Point 17-2 16-2 (WIAC)
2. St. Thomas 19-0 18-0 (MIAC)
3. UW-Platteville 18-2 13-2 (WIAC)
4. Puget Sound 17-2 14-0 (NWC)
5. UW-Whitewater 17-3 16-3 (WIAC)
6. Buena Vista 18-2 15-2 (IIAC)
7. Whitworth 15-4 13-4 (NWC)
8. Bethel 15-4 13-4 (MIAC)

Ethelred the Unready · February 06, 2009, 10:21:29 AM

After reading the front page story about UNE, I was wondering where they stood as far as Pool A/C bids go. I don't see them listed above. Does that mean that the CCC champion is a Pool B invitee?

Pat Coleman · February 06, 2009, 10:46:40 AM

No, they still have an automatic bid. They just aren't among the 10 best teams in the Northeast (really low OWP). The GNAC and NAC also have automatic bids but no teams listed in that region's rankings.

magicman · February 07, 2009, 05:50:20 AM

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on February 06, 2009, 01:08:33 AM
Pool A: Conference leaders

Atlantic
1. Richard Stockton 19-2 16-2 (NJAC)
2. Farmingdale State 16-2 16-2 (SKY)
3. William Paterson 15-4 15-4 (NJAC)
4. Baruch 17-4 15-3 (CUNYAC)
5. Montclair State 15-5 12-5 (NJAC)

East
1. Ithaca 17-1 15-1 (E8)
2. St. Lawrence 13-4 11-4 (LL)
3. Hamilton 12-5 10-1 (LL)
4. Rochester 13-5 13-5 (UAA)
5. Rochester Tech 14-4 11-4 (E8)

Great Lakes
1. Capital 17-2 15-2 (OAC)-tied with John Carroll
2. Carnegie Mellon 14-4 10-3 (UAA)
3. John Carroll 14-4 12-3 (OAC)-tied with Capital
4. Calvin 12-6 7-1 (MIAA)
5. Hope 14-5 7-2 (MIAA)
6. Ohio Northern 14-5 12-4 (OAC)

Middle Atlantic
1. Franklin & Marshall 17-2 16-2 (CC)
2. Gwynedd-Mercy 15-2 14-1 (CSAC)
3. DeSales 16-3 15-3 (MACF)
4. Wesley 12-5 10-1 (CAC)
5. St. Mary's (Md.) 15-4 12-2 (CAC)
6. McDaniel 14-5 12-4 (CC)
7. Widener 14-5 12-5 (MACC)
8. Gettysburg 13-5 13-5 (CC)

Midwest
1. Washington U. 17-1 16-1 (UAA)
2. Elmhurst 15-4 15-4 (CCIW)
3. Wheaton (Ill.) 16-3 12-3 (CCIW)
4. St. Norbert 16-1 15-1 (MWC)
5. Transylvania 14-4 11-2 (HCAC) *Franklin leads HCAC
6. Augustana 15-5 14-5 (CCIW)
7. North Central (Ill.) 13-6 11-4 (CCIW)
8. Carroll 13-5 13-5 (MWC)

Northeast
1. Worcester Polytech 16-3 16-2 (NEWMAC)-tied with MIT
2. Middlebury 18-2 16-1 (NESCAC)
3. Mass-Dartmouth 17-2 15-2 (LEC)-tied with Rhode Island College
4. Elms 17-1 16-1 (NECC)
5. Salem State 15-4 14-4 (MASCAC)-tied with Bridgewater St.
6. MIT 14-5 13-3 (NEWMAC)-tied with WPI
7. Colby 13-5 10-4 (NESCAC)
8. Rhode Island College 14-4 14-4 (LEC)-tied with Mass-Dartmouth
9. Amherst 16-3 14-3 (NESCAC)
10. Bridgewater State 13-5 12-3 (MASCAC)-tied with Salem St.

South
1. Trinity (Texas) 17-2 14-2 (SCAC)
2. Texas-Dallas 17-2 15-2 (ASC)
3. Guilford 15-4 14-4 (ODAC)-tied with Randolph-Macon
4. McMurry 13-5 12-3 (ASC)
5. Randolph-Macon 14-5 12-2 (ODAC)-tied with Guilford
6. DePauw 15-5 12-4 (SCAC)
7. Centre 15-4 12-4 (SCAC)
8. LeTourneau 13-6 12-4 (ASC)

West
1. UW-Stevens Point 17-2 16-2 (WIAC)
2. St. Thomas 19-0 18-0 (MIAC)
3. UW-Platteville 18-2 13-2 (WIAC)
4. Puget Sound 17-2 14-0 (NWC)
5. UW-Whitewater 17-3 16-3 (WIAC)
6. Buena Vista 18-2 15-2 (IIAC)
7. Whitworth 15-4 13-4 (NWC)
8. Bethel 15-4 13-4 (MIAC)

Tom,
Ithaca is not currently the E8 conference leader. Their record in the conference is 10-1, good for 2nd place. Rochester Tech is 11-0 having beaten Ithaca back on Jan. 11th 87-84 on the buzzer beater that wasn't.

Greek Tragedy · February 07, 2009, 11:49:59 PM

picky, picky. lol

Thanks for the catch!

pabegg · February 08, 2009, 06:18:20 PM

With respect to conference leaders, remember that only the UAA will select its Pool A representative by regular season record. In any other conference, the conference regular season champ doesn't get anything but the #1 seed (and the right to host in many but not all conferences).

Greek Tragedy · February 08, 2009, 11:34:02 PM

I understand that. I just put the conference leaders down for the Pool A spot simply to say, "if the season ended today" type thing, without the conference tourneys being played...that's all.

So, with the conference leaders getting the #1 seed in their respective conference tourneys, "barring upsets", they'd get the Pool A.