Pool C

Greek Tragedy · February 09, 2009, 01:01:17 AM

Pool A: Conference leaders

This Week's Results
Atlantic
1. Richard Stockton 19-2 16-2 (NJAC) (2-0) WON at Kean, BEAT New Jersey
2. Farmingdale State 16-2 16-2 (SKY)-tied with St. Joseph's (L.I.) (3-0) BEAT New York City Tech, WON at Bard, BEAT Mount St. Mary
3. William Paterson 15-4 15-4 (NJAC) (3-0) WON at John Jay, WON at Manhattanville, BEAT New Jersey City
4. Baruch 17-4 15-3 (CUNYAC) (2-0) BEAT CCNY, BEAT Staten Island
5. Montclair State 15-5 12-5 (NJAC) (2-0) WON at New Jersey City, BEAT Ramapo

East
1. Ithaca 17-1 15-1 (E8) (3-0) WON at St. John Fisher, BEAT Hartwick, BEAT Alfred
2. St. Lawrence 13-4 11-4 (LL) (3-0) WON at Clarkson, BEAT Union, BEAT Skidmore
3. Hamilton 12-5 10-1 (LL) (2-0) WON at RPI, WON at Vassar
4. Rochester 13-5 13-5 (UAA) (2-0) BEAT Emory, BEAT Case Western Reserve
5. Rochester Tech 14-4 11-4 (E8) (2-0) BEAT Alfred, BEAT SUNY-Cobleskill

Great Lakes
1. Capital 17-2 15-2 (OAC) (1-1) BEAT Marietta, LOST at Muskingum
2. Carnegie Mellon 14-4 10-3 (UAA) (2-0) BEAT Case Western Reserve, BEAT Emory
3. John Carroll 14-4 12-3 (OAC) (2-0) WON at Mount Union, BEAT Ohio Northern
4. Calvin 12-6 7-1 (MIAA) (2-0) WON at Alma, BEAT Adrian
5. Hope 14-5 7-2 (MIAA) (1-1) LOST at Albion, BEAT Kalamazoo
6. Ohio Northern 14-5 12-4 (OAC) (1-1) BEAT Otterbein, LOST at John Carroll

Middle Atlantic
1. Franklin & Marshall 17-2 16-2 (CC) (2-0) BEAT Johns Hopkins, BEAT Washington College
2. Gwynedd-Mercy 15-2 14-1 (CSAC) Cabrini leads the CSAC (0-3) LOST at Marywood, LOST at Baptist Bible, LOST at Cabrini
3. DeSales 16-3 15-3 (MACF) (1-0) BEAT Wilkes
4. Wesley 12-5 10-1 (CAC) (2-1) BEAT STevenson, LOST at Marymount, WON at Salisbury
5. St. Mary's (Md.) 15-4 12-2 (CAC) (3-0) WON at Salisbury, BEAT Hood, BEAT York (Pa)
6. McDaniel 14-5 12-4 (CC) (2-0) BEAT Swarthmore, BEAT Ursinus
7. Widener 14-5 12-5 (MACC) (2-0) WON at Arcadia, BEAT Elizabethtown
8. Gettysburg 13-5 13-5 (CC) (1-1) WON at Dickinson, LOST to Muhlenberg

Midwest
1. Washington U. 17-1 16-1 (UAA) (2-0) BEAT New York University, BEAT Brandeis
2. Elmhurst 15-4 15-4 (CCIW) tied with Wheaton (1-1) BEAT Augustana, LOST at Millikin
3. Wheaton (Ill.) 16-3 12-3 (CCIW) tied with Elmhurst (2-0) BEAT Millikin, BEAT North Park
4. St. Norbert 16-1 15-1 (MWC) (1-2) LOST to Lawrence, LOST at Monmouth, BEAT Lake Forest
5. Transylvania 14-4 11-2 (HCAC) tied with Franklin (2-0) BEAT Defiance, WON at Rose-Hulman
6. Augustana 15-5 14-5 (CCIW) (1-1) LOST at Elmhurst, BEAT Carthage
7. North Central (Ill.) 13-6 11-4 (CCIW) (1-1) WON at North Park, LOST to Illinois Wesleyan
8. Carroll 13-5 13-5 (MWC) (1-1) LOST at Lake Forest, WON at Illinois College

Northeast
1. Worcester Polytech 16-3 16-2 (NEWMAC) (0-1) LOST at Clark
2. Middlebury 18-2 16-1 (NESCAC) (2-0) BEAT Bowdoin, BEAT Colby
3. Mass-Dartmouth 17-2 15-2 (LEC)-tied with Rhode Island College (2-0) BEAT Tufts, BEAT Keene State
4. Elms 17-1 16-1 (NECC) (1-0) WON at Mitchell
5. Salem State 15-4 14-4 (MASCAC) (2-0) BEAT Massachusetts College, WON at Westfield State
6. MIT 14-5 13-3 (NEWMAC) (2-1) BEAT Mass-Boston, BEAT Springfield, LOST to Coast Guard
7. Colby 13-5 10-4 (NESCAC) (1-2) BEAT Southern Maine, LOST at Williams, LOST at Middlebury
8. Rhode Island College 14-4 14-4 (LEC)-tied with Mass-Dartmouth (2-0) BEAT Amherst, WON at Plymouth State
9. Amherst 16-3 14-3 (NESCAC) (2-1) LOST at Rhode Island College, WON at Bates, WON at Tufts
10. Bridgewater State 13-5 12-3 (MASCAC) (2-0) BEAT Framingham State, WON at Fitchburg State

South
1. Trinity (Texas) 17-2 14-2 (SCAC) (2-0) BEAT University of Dallas, BEAT Southwestern
2. Texas-Dallas 17-2 15-2 (ASC) (1-1) BEAT Louisiana College, LOST to Mississippi College
3. Guilford 15-4 14-4 (ODAC)-tied with Randolph-Macon (2-0) WON at Hampden-Sydney, BEAT Washington and Lee
4. McMurry 13-5 12-3 (ASC) (2-1) BEAT Hardin-Simmons, LOST to Mary Hardin-Baylor BEAT Concordia-Austin
5. Randolph-Macon 14-5 12-2 (ODAC)-tied with Guilford (2-0) BEAT Roanoke, WON at Lynchburg
6. DePauw 15-5 12-4 (SCAC) (2-0) WON at Birmingham-Southern, WON at Rhodes
7. Centre 15-4 12-4 (SCAC) (2-0) WON Rhodes, WON at Birmingham-Southern
8. LeTourneau 13-6 12-4 (ASC) (1-1) LOST at East Texas Baptist, WON at Texas-Tyler

West
1. UW-Stevens Point 17-2 16-2 (WIAC) (2-0) WON at Stout, BEAT Superior
2. St. Thomas 19-0 18-0 (MIAC) (2-0) BEAT St. Mary's (Minn), WON at Carleton
3. UW-Platteville 18-2 13-2 (WIAC) (2-0) BEAT River Falls, BEAT La Crosse
4. Puget Sound 17-2 14-0 (NWC) (2-0) BEAT Pacific Lutheran, BEAT George Fox
5. UW-Whitewater 17-3 16-3 (WIAC) (2-0) WON at Eau Claire, BEAT Stout
6. Buena Vista 18-2 15-2 (IIAC) (2-0) BEAT Wartburg, BEAT Cornell
7. Whitworth 15-4 13-4 (NWC) (2-0) BEAT Willamette, BEAT Linfield
8. Bethel 15-4 13-4 (MIAC) (1-1) LOST to Hamline, WON at St. Olaf

magicman · February 09, 2009, 01:55:50 AM

pabegg,

I'm wondering why both your regional rankings and the NCAA regional ranking just released show St. Lawrence with an 11-4 regional record. At the time their overall record was 13-4. They have in region losses to Ithaca and RPI. On Nov. 21st and 22nd they played in a season opening tournament at Williams and lost to Ursinus(in Collegeville, PA), which is over 300 miles from Canton N.Y. where St. Lawrence is located, yet is being called an in region loss. The day after the Ursinus loss they beat Southern Vermont(Bennington, VT) which is around 250 miles from Canton. And that was considered an out of region win. On Jan. 2nd and 3rd they travel to Buffalo for a tournament and lose to Widener(Chester, PA), also over 300 miles from Canton, NY, yet once again this is also showing as an in region loss. The next day they beat Heidelberg(Tiffin, Ohio) and this is their other out of region win. At first I thought maybe the tournament location determines the mileage requirement but even then Williamstown, Mass and Buffalo are both well over 200 miles from St. Lawrence. All 4 teams they played in those 2 tournaments are over 200 miles away and if the losses count, then why shouldn't the wins count? I would appreciate your insight. Thanks.

Ralph Turner · February 09, 2009, 02:34:08 AM

Magicman, the states of NY and PA constitute Administrative Region #2.

That is one of the definitions of in-region.

(The others are Evaluation Regions and the 200-mile radius, in addition to members of the same conference.)

magicman · February 09, 2009, 02:47:59 AM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2009, 02:34:08 AM
Magicman, the states of NY and PA constitute Administrative Region #2.

That is one of the definitions of in-region.

(The others are Evaluation Regions and the 200-mile radius, in addition to members of the same conference.)

Thanks Ralph. I almost e-mailed you with my question knowing you'd have the answer.

with age came? · February 09, 2009, 03:18:57 AM

Hey Magicman - see you already got your answer. Hope our Cards & Knights claw their way back into the playoff picture. Think your cards may be a point guard away. Knights have control of their own destiny but game against the Statesman loams large!!

KnightSlappy · February 09, 2009, 08:25:52 AM

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on February 09, 2009, 01:01:17 AM
5. Hope 14-5 7-2 (MIAA) (2-0) WON at Albion, BEAT Kalamazoo

FYI, Hope LOST at Albion this week.

Greek Tragedy · February 09, 2009, 11:35:14 AM

Nice catch. Thanks.

Ralph Turner · February 09, 2009, 11:44:07 AM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 09, 2009, 08:25:52 AM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on February 09, 2009, 01:01:17 AM
5. Hope 14-5 7-2 (MIAA) (2-0) WON at Albion, BEAT Kalamazoo

FYI, Hope LOST at Albion this week.

And, there wasn't a single bit of schadenfreude associated with that post, either.

pabegg · February 09, 2009, 12:35:13 PM

This week's update:

Reg Conf Rank Prior RPI OWP OOWP School Natl Status Reg Overall

NE 16 01 01 0.6232 0.5149 0.5156 Middlebury 006 A w C 18-1 20-2
NE 13 02 03 0.6199 0.5267 0.5312 Mass-Dartmouth 011 A w C 17-2 19-2
NE 17 03 02 0.6254 0.5583 0.5429 Worcester Polytech 013 A w C 16-3 16-4
NE 18 04 04 0.5774 0.4357 0.4938 Elms 021 B 1 17-1 18-1
NE 14 05 06 0.6076 0.5507 0.5290 Salem State 022 A w C 16-4 17-4
NE 14 06 08 0.5947 0.5108 0.5339 Bridgewater State 025 A w C 14-3 15-5
NE 13 07 09 0.6022 0.5409 0.5273 Rhode Island College 026 C 5 16-4 16-4
NE 16 08 07 0.5832 0.4907 0.5516 Amherst 033 C 10 16-4 18-4
NE 17 09 05 0.5816 0.5028 0.5315 MIT 041 C 15 15-4 16-6
NE 11 10 nr 0.5492 0.4233 0.5002 University of New England 052 A second 17-3 18-3
NE 16 11 nr 0.5870 0.5818 0.5177 Bowdoin 057 C 26 14-7 14-7
NE 16 12 11 0.5732 0.5224 0.5339 Williams 060 C 29 15-6 15-7
NE 16 13 10 0.5844 0.5821 0.5263 Colby 066 C 35 11-6 14-7

EA 21 01 01 0.6378 0.5284 0.5469 Ithaca 002 A w C 18-1 20-1
EA 24 02 02 0.6138 0.5119 0.5083 Hamilton 008 C 1 12-1 14-5
EA 24 03 03 0.6139 0.5797 0.5185 St. Lawrence 023 A w C 14-4 16-4
EA 21 04 05 0.6017 0.5538 0.5490 Rochester Tech 036 C 12 12-4 16-4
EA 90 05 04 0.5935 0.5432 0.5375 Rochester 042 C 16 15-5 15-5
EA 23 06 08 0.5668 0.5338 0.5328 Oneonta State 072 A 12-6 14-7
EA 21 07 06 0.5706 0.5502 0.5351 St. John Fisher 080 11-6 14-6
EA 21 08 nr 0.5786 0.6021 0.5103 Utica 088 12-8 12-8

AT 32 01 01 0.6120 0.5157 0.5167 Richard Stockton 012 A w C 18-2 21-2
AT 33 02 02 0.5760 0.4566 0.4863 SUNY-Farmingdale 028 A w C 19-2 19-2
AT 33 03 05 0.5619 0.4241 0.4994 St. Joseph's (L.I.) 040 C 14 18-2 19-2
AT 32 04 03 0.5758 0.4896 0.5060 William Paterson 044 C 18 18-4 18-4
AT 31 05 04 0.5510 0.4308 0.4922 Baruch 049 A second 17-3 19-4
AT 32 06 06 0.5696 0.5214 0.4986 Montclair State 058 C 27 14-5 17-5
AT 31 07 07 0.5389 0.4250 0.4962 Brooklyn 067 C 36 17-4 18-4
AT 31 08 08 0.5153 0.4216 0.5039 Lehman 117 15-6 17-6

MA 45 01 01 0.6245 0.5267 0.5446 Franklin and Marshall 007 A w C 18-2 19-2
MA 41 02 04 0.5818 0.4701 0.5047 St. Mary's (Md.) 024 A w C 15-2 18-4
MA 45 03 05 0.6078 0.5598 0.5336 McDaniel 031 C 8 14-4 16-5
MA 43 04 06 0.5766 0.4737 0.5169 DeSales 034 A w C 16-3 17-3
MA 41 05 02 0.5701 0.4506 0.5125 Wesley 037 C 13 13-2 15-6
MA 42 06 08 0.5821 0.5428 0.5058 Widener 047 A second 14-5 16-5
MA 45 07 07 0.5832 0.5472 0.5382 Gettysburg 054 C 23 14-6 14-6
MA 44 08 03 0.5507 0.4654 0.4940 Gwynedd-Mercy 059 C 28 14-4 15-5
MA 44 09 10 0.5451 0.4772 0.4762 Cabrini 070 A third 15-5 15-5
MA 46 10 11 0.5464 0.4888 0.4935 Scranton 079 B 2 156 16-6
MA 46 11 09 0.5366 0.4988 0.4820 Susquehanna 100 B 3 126 14-7

SO 54 01 02 0.6078 0.5154 0.5115 Trinity (Texas) 015 A w C 16-2 19-2
SO 51 02 01 0.5997 0.5208 0.5149 Texas-Dallas 020 A w C 16-3 18-3
SO 53 03 03 0.6008 0.5454 0.5122 Guilford 027 A w C 16-4 17-4
SO 53 04 05 0.5792 0.4675 0.5070 Randolph-Macon 029 C 6 14-2 16-5
SO 54 05 06 0.5972 0.5611 0.5017 Centre 035 C 11 13-4 17-4
SO 51 06 04 0.5784 0.5109 0.5138 McMurry 045 C 19 14-4 15-6
SO 54 07 07 0.5697 0.5007 0.5128 DePauw 053 C 22 13-4 17-5
SO 51 08 08 0.5691 0.5214 0.5113 LeTourneau 061 C 30 13-5 14-7
SO 51 09 11 0.5655 0.5196 0.5006 Mississippi College 064 C 33 135 15-5
SO 53 10 08 0.5609 0.5207 0.5148 Roanoke 073 11-5 16-5
SO 55 11 10 0.5491 0.4989 0.5063 Christopher Newport 084 A 94 13-7

GL 64 01 01 0.6177 0.5578 0.5132 Capital 016 A w C 16-3 18-3
GL 64 02 02 0.6135 0.5545 0.5214 John Carroll 019 C 4 14-3 16-4
GL 90 03 04 0.5940 0.5197 0.5367 Carnegie Mellon 032 C 9 12-3 16-4
GL 62 04 05 0.5645 0.4307 0.4968 Calvin 038 A w C 9-1 14-6
GL 63 05 08 0.5783 0.5157 0.5041 Wooster 046 A second 14-4 15-6
GL 63 06 nr 0.5773 0.5381 0.5109 Ohio Wesleyan 055 C 24 13-5 14-6
GL 62 07 03 0.5748 0.5348 0.5022 Hope 056 C 25 8-3 15-6
GL 64 08 06 0.5687 0.5154 0.5218 Ohio Northern 062 C 31 13-5 15-6
GL 61 09 09 0.5419 0.4526 0.4845 Penn State-Behrend 068 A third 14-4 15-6

MW 90 01 01 0.6532 0.5604 0.5444 Washington U. 001 A w C 18-1 19-1
MW 71 02 02 0.6432 0.5950 0.5592 Wheaton (Ill.) 014 A w C 14-3 18-3
MW 72 03 05 0.6133 0.5418 0.5030 Transylvania 017 A w C 13-2 16-4
MW 71 04 03 0.6240 0.5906 0.5532 Elmhurst 030 C 7 16-5 16-5
MW 71 05 06 0.6162 0.6000 0.5590 North Central 043 C 17 12-5 14-7
MW 74 06 04 0.5590 0.4466 0.5007 St. Norbert 048 A second 16-3 17-3
MW 71 07 07 0.5834 0.5226 0.5739 Augustana 050 C 20 15-6 16-6
MW 71 08 10 0.5827 0.5563 0.5514 Millikin 063 C 32 12-6 14-7
MW 74 09 08 0.5684 0.5295 0.5143 Carroll 065 C 34 14-6 14-6
MW 71 10 09 0.6037 0.6312 0.5524 Carthage 071 C 38 96 14-7
MW 74 11 nr 0.5438 0.4995 0.4889 Grinnell 092 115 14-6

WE 82 01 01 0.6280 0.4941 0.5237 St. Thomas 003 A w C 20-0 21-0
WE 86 02 03 0.6574 0.5865 0.5566 UW-Stevens Point 004 A w C 18-2 19-2
WE 83 03 02 0.6189 0.4657 0.5442 Puget Sound 005 A w C 16-0 19-2
WE 86 04 04 0.6338 0.5423 0.5754 UW-Platteville 009 C 2 14-2 19-2
WE 86 05 05 0.6400 0.5715 0.5669 UW-Whitewater 010 C 3 17-3 18-3
WE 81 06 06 0.5874 0.4665 0.5220 Buena Vista 018 A w C 17-2 20-2
WE 83 07 07 0.5684 0.4845 0.5269 Whitworth 051 C 21 14-4 17-4
WE 86 08 nr 0.5767 0.5568 0.5462 UW-Eau Claire 074 11-6 13-8
WE 82 09 08 0.5434 0.4610 0.5150 Bethel 076 14-5 16-5
WE 84 10 09 0.5373 0.4623 0.4744 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 081 A 12-4 14-6
WE 81 11 10 0.5473 0.4956 0.4981 Cornell 082 14-6 16-6

Reg Region
Conf Conference number
Rank Regional ranking
Prior Prior regional ranking
School
Natl National ranking based on regional results
Status
B + number: Pool B ranking (top 4 in tournament)
C + number: Pool C ranking of 18 teams in tournament
C second: second tier Pool C (spots 19-28)
C third: third tier Pool C (spots 29-38)
A w C: Pool A, in Pool C range (1 to 18)
A second: Pool A, in second tier Pool C
A third: Pool A, in third tier Pool C
A: lower level Pool A
blank: lower level Pool C

As always, 3 more teams per region than the NCAA.

Big movers:
MIT down from 5 to 9 (from secure Pool C to marginal Pool C)
St. Joseph's (LI) leaps from 5 to 3 and onto the Pool C bubble
Wesley drops from 2 to 5 and onto the Pool C bubble
Gwynedd-Mercy drops from 3 to 8 and probably loses their Pool C chances
Wooster from 8 to 5; still on the outside for Pool C
Hope from 3 to 7; with a limited number of regional games, each loss is a killer

The West Region has 6 of the top 18 teams on this measure and two clear Pool C bids (as all of the Big 3 WIAC schools will make it) but no other teams. Whitworth could sit at the table for a long time but not get in. On the other hand, with upset Pool A teams in the Iowa, Minnesota, and Northwest, this tournament could be heavily weighted towards the west.

On the Pool B side, there are three schools in the table, Elms, Scranton, and Susquehanna. Elms is all but a lock, Scranton is looking good for second, and Susquehanna is merely the tip of an iceberg of very competitive teams for 3rd.

UPDATE: Fixed OWP, OOWP (it's a weird Excel bug that doesn't always recalculate formulas even when F9 is pressed).

frodotwo · February 09, 2009, 02:20:30 PM

Did Stevens Point really drop that far on OWP in 1 weeks time?

WE 86 03 02 0.6679 0.6129 0.5571 UW-Stevens Point 004 A w C 16-2 17-2

WE 86 02 03 0.6574 0.4657 0.5442 UW-Stevens Point 004 A w C 18-2 19-2

OWP for the week was .416 (Stout 7-13/Superior 10-11 = 17-24) A nearly .1500 drop doesn't seem right somehow.

pabegg · February 09, 2009, 03:04:15 PM

Quote from: frodotwo on February 09, 2009, 02:20:30 PM
Did Stevens Point really drop that far on OWP in 1 weeks time?

WE 86 03 02 0.6679 0.6129 0.5571 UW-Stevens Point 004 A w C 16-2 17-2

WE 86 02 03 0.6574 0.4657 0.5442 UW-Stevens Point 004 A w C 18-2 19-2

OWP for the week was .416 (Stout 7-13/Superior 10-11 = 17-24) A nearly .1500 drop doesn't seem right somehow.

No they didn't. I'll find the bug and repost.

UPDATE: Fixed.

KnightSlappy · February 10, 2009, 10:03:47 PM

The first bracket of the year that I have seen. Pool C'ers may find this interesting.

http://www.d3bracketology.bravehost.com/

Ralph Turner · February 10, 2009, 10:15:20 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 10, 2009, 10:03:47 PM
The first bracket of the year that I have seen. Pool C'ers may find this interesting.

http://www.d3bracketology.bravehost.com/

It is using out-of-date information!

Elms is now Pool B from the NECC and not a Pool A from the NAC.

That knocks Maryville TN out.

Keystone is no longer in the NEAC. The NEAC will determine its Pool A bid with a tourney.

Wydown Blvd. · February 10, 2009, 10:26:34 PM

The site asks for help from fans if you see there is an error. Ill email them your comment Ralph.

sac · February 10, 2009, 10:28:46 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on February 10, 2009, 10:03:47 PM
The first bracket of the year that I have seen. Pool C'ers may find this interesting.

http://www.d3bracketology.bravehost.com/

They have FIVE CCIW teams making the tournament............so zero cred.