Pool C

Dave 'd-mac' McHugh · February 17, 2009, 05:01:37 AM

I got that question about Rust a few shows back on Hoopsville and thought I answered it then... no chance Rust makes the NCAA Tournament.

pabegg · February 17, 2009, 06:44:36 AM

Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 17, 2009, 03:29:11 AM
I was just thinking about with the stacked West Region and it got me thinking about hosting. Can like St Thomas host 1st/2nd round games and like the Sweet 16 round as well. I just used them as an example.

Yes, they can host both weekends. The second weekend hosts will be determined on the Sunday of the opening weekend, and as always with D3, geography trumps seeding. Last year WashU hosted the second weekend because both Buena Vista and Millsaps were within 500 miles, even though WashU was probably the lower seed.

Just Bill · February 17, 2009, 05:19:08 PM

Patrick or anyone else,

Is it possible to post a list of the conferences that are almost certainly "One Bid Only" leagues this year? Thanks.

pabegg · February 17, 2009, 05:22:53 PM

Quote from: Just Bill on February 17, 2009, 05:19:08 PM
Patrick or anyone else,

Is it possible to post a list of the conferences that are almost certainly "One Bid Only" leagues this year? Thanks.

I'll get the list up tonight; I don't have the time at the moment.

Gregory Sager · February 17, 2009, 06:05:11 PM

Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on February 17, 2009, 03:03:53 AM
They are a Pool B candidate first and if they don't get one of the three bids they move into Pool C. Not sure if any Pool B eligible team ever missed out and then got selected as a Pool C.

I'm pretty sure that it's never happened, although you're right that it works that way in theory.

Ralph Turner · February 17, 2009, 07:03:11 PM

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 17, 2009, 06:05:11 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on February 17, 2009, 03:03:53 AM
They are a Pool B candidate first and if they don't get one of the three bids they move into Pool C. Not sure if any Pool B eligible team ever missed out and then got selected as a Pool C.

I'm pretty sure that it's never happened, although you're right that it works that way in theory.

I do not recall it happening in basketball. It has happened in baseball.

Emory and WashUStL in 2006

pabegg · February 17, 2009, 08:23:14 PM

Quote from: Just Bill on February 17, 2009, 05:19:08 PM
Patrick or anyone else,

Is it possible to post a list of the conferences that are almost certainly "One Bid Only" leagues this year? Thanks.

Here are the conferences with the top team
SCIAC - Claremont Mudd Scripps
SLIAC - Westminster MO
MWC - St. Norbert
NAthC - Milwaukee Engineering
PresAC - Thomas More
AMCC - Medaille
USAC - Averett
CSAC - Gwynedd Mercy
Freedom - DeSales
SUNYAC - Geneseo
NEAC - SUNYIT
NAC - Husson
GNAC - Lasell

Hugenerd · February 17, 2009, 08:29:42 PM

Quote from: pabegg on February 17, 2009, 08:23:14 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on February 17, 2009, 05:19:08 PM
Patrick or anyone else,

Is it possible to post a list of the conferences that are almost certainly "One Bid Only" leagues this year? Thanks.
Here are the conferences with the top team
SCIAC - Claremont Mudd Scripps
SLIAC - Westminster MO
MWC - St. Norbert
NAthC - Milwaukee Engineering
PresAC - Thomas More
AMCC - Medaille
USAC - Averett
CSAC - Gwynedd Mercy
Freedom - DeSales
SUNYAC - Geneseo
NEAC - SUNYIT
NAC - Husson
GNAC - Lasell

What about the CCC? Do you think UNE gets in if they dont win their tourney?

pabegg · February 17, 2009, 08:41:15 PM

UNE has a slim chance if they win out into the CCC final. So I can't cross the CCC off of the two-bid list yet.

Last year, the GNAC's Emerson was in a similar position, and came up about 1 or 2 spots short.

Hugenerd · February 17, 2009, 08:43:51 PM

Quote from: pabegg on February 17, 2009, 08:41:15 PM
UNE has a slim chance if they win out into the CCC final. So I can't cross the CCC off of the two-bid list yet.

Last year, the GNAC's Emerson was in a similar position, and came up about 1 or 2 spots short.

So I guess their game coming up at Gordon is pretty big.

Coach C · February 17, 2009, 09:42:38 PM

There's no way the CCC gets 2 bids with the UNE schedule. It's just not possible.

Hugenerd · February 17, 2009, 09:47:49 PM

Quote from: Coach C on February 17, 2009, 09:42:38 PM
There's no way the CCC gets 2 bids with the UNE schedule. It's just not possible.

I tend to agree with you, but you dont want to mess with the Joe Lunardi of d3.

Bombers798891 · February 17, 2009, 11:05:40 PM

Quote from: hugenerd on February 17, 2009, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 17, 2009, 09:42:38 PM
There's no way the CCC gets 2 bids with the UNE schedule. It's just not possible.

I tend to agree with you, but you dont want to mess with the Joe Lunardi of d3.

Does the E8 get two bids if IC wins the conference? That puts RIT, at best, at 19-8. I know the east is down this season, but that's not the world's best record, especially if they close out something like 3-4. They would possibly have two wins over a Top 10 IC team, but the rest of the E8 seems pretty not special. How good can a 15-8 SJF team be if they are 7-7 in conference?

Hugenerd · February 17, 2009, 11:50:51 PM

Quote from: Bombers798891 on February 17, 2009, 11:05:40 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on February 17, 2009, 09:47:49 PM
Quote from: Coach C on February 17, 2009, 09:42:38 PM
There's no way the CCC gets 2 bids with the UNE schedule. It's just not possible.

I tend to agree with you, but you dont want to mess with the Joe Lunardi of d3.

Does the E8 get two bids if IC wins the conference? That puts RIT, at best, at 19-8. I know the east is down this season, but that's not the world's best record, especially if they close out something like 3-4. They would possibly have two wins over a Top 10 IC team, but the rest of the E8 seems pretty not special. How good can a 15-8 SJF team be if they are 7-7 in conference?

I think what Patrick is saying is that there are some conference that will only get one bid, with nearly 100% certainty. While there are other conferences like the CCC and E8 that are most likely going to only get 1 bid, but, even if it is 95% likely they would not get an at large, the conference is not "mathematically-eliminated" from getting an at large bid. I think we have illustrated a few conferences that are very likely only to get one bid, but there are still some remote scenarios where it is conceivable they could get a second bid; for example, if the top regular season team's wins all their games except for the tourney final (and also gets help from other "safe" teams holding serve in their conference tourneys).

John Gleich · February 18, 2009, 03:34:14 AM

Interesting throughts re: the WIAC...

You swapped WW and SP for the A and a C bid... but SP still has a game lead over WW and Platteville with the game against Platteville on Saturday in Point for the conference title (even if Point would lose tomorrow). Whitewater needs help, any way you look at it and even if Platteville knocks off SP, WW will still be the 3 seed in the WIAC tournament (lost 2 road games = lose tie breaker) and thus they will have to play an extra game and travel to the 2 seed (coin flip, either SP or Plt). WW has a better chance if Point beats Plt and wins the conference outright, making WW the 2 seed and allowing them to host and forcing Plt to play an extra game and travel. There are very interesting dynamics this year as the WIAC tournament is a 6 team tournament instead of an 8 team tournament, so seeds 1 and 2 have a first round bye.

Everything changes, of course, if one of the big three loses tomorrow... and all three have road games (SP at La Crosse, Platte at EC, WW at Oshkosh). SP beat LaX by 12, WW beat Osh by 9, and Pl beat EC by 29... but EC knocked Plt out of the WIAC tourney and ended their season last year. On that same night, LaX took Point to overtime. Should be interesting!