Pool C

[Greek Tragedy]

So if Chapman gets in, you have two CA teams and two Oregon teams...fly two to Whitworth and bus UPS there?

[Pat Coleman]

UPS would be the higher seed, significantly.

[Greek Tragedy]

My quick thinking based it on Whitworth beating them in the final, though UPS swept them in the regular season...so, CMS/P-P and Chapman flying to UPS and Whitworth bussing there?

I guess that 1st/2nd round quad is basically set then?  Or, can a South Region team get into the mix there?

[sac]

We might have a riot on our hands but all 3 west coasters could fly East.

I would guess SCIAC to Whitworth, winner to UPS.........NCAA foots the bus ride to UPS and extra night in hotel if the SCIAC wins.

[Ralph Turner]

We might have an isolated bracket of Trinity, UT-Dallas and Southwestern.  There are two orphans for a Sectional.

[sac]

We might have an isolated bracket of Trinity, UT-Dallas and Southwestern.  There are two orphans for a Sectional.

Thats where I could see flying in the SCIAC team to Texas, and the two Pacific Northwest teams to Minnesota.

[sac]

The Great Lakes is weird,  Cap and JCU both seem like shoe-ins to host but there just aren't enough teams in the area, maybe one gets a bye?.  Is either really a top 4 seed?  Either one of the two is getting shipped somewhere and only 1 hosts or some other teams are getting shipped to the Great Lakes........or we get one tough 1st/2nd round bracket.

I can see Transylvania going to JCU or Capital, they've gone that direction before.  But I could see Transy going South as well.  There's Wooster, JCU, Cap and maybe Carnegie Mellon, but I can't see Cap and JCU being in the same bracket, they're both to highly ranked.  Bringing one team in, makes one an orphan.

I could see Hope going to Ohio somewhere, that would make 6, still need 2 more.........perhaps Calvin.

A pod of Wheaton, Elmhurst, Aurora and Hope makes the most travel sense, but I have no idea where Hope might fit into the seedings.  4 or 5 or 6 would be my guess and that seems to jibe with Elmhurst as a 4 or 5.  Aurora might be in the #8 range.

Hope's history with assignments is mixed  2002 we went to St. Norbert then Carthage.   2003 a bye, then UW-Oshkosh/Mil-Engineering winner.  2006 hosted UW-LaCrosse, Wisc-Lutheran, Calvin.  2007 went to Aurora with Chicago and Calvin.  2008 a bye, hosted Capital/Bethany winner.

I would lean toward Hope going to Wheaton but I could see them going as far as Stevens Point or Platteville to the West.   JCU or Cap to the East.


I can't believe I even get to think about this stuff. 

[Greek Tragedy]

The Great Lakes is weird,  Cap and JCU both seem like shoe-ins to host but there just aren't enough teams in the area, maybe one gets a bye?. 

I can't believe I even get to think about this stuff. 

I actually thought about it...I was trying to think of quads for teams that the WIAC was involved in.  I already shipped Hope and Transylvania your way!  I won't go through it here, but the senario I came up with has too many teams in that region, with Wheaton, Washington U and St. Thomas all NOT having a bye.  Stevens Point most likely won't host because the women have preference in odd years and I think the Point women have a good shot at it this year.  I'd be glad to throw some of those strong midwest area teams towards Ohio!  I have it posted in the WIAC page.

[Pat Coleman]

Our projections are up:
http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/09/projected.htm

[magicman]

Our projections are up:
http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/09/projected.htm

In looking over your projections, shouldn't Bracket 2 have the 6th seed listed as Empire 8 winner or do you know for a fact that RIT is going to win over Nazareth

[Titan Q]

This doesn't, but maybe could, include:
Trinity/Centre loser

Trinity (Tx) lost to Southwestern yesterday.

[Titan Q]

I think 15 of the 18 Pool C's are basically accounted for:

(in no particular order)

1. UW-Whitewater
2. Buena Vista
3. St. Mary's (Md)
4. Guilford
5. UW-Platteville
6. Elmhurst
7. Capital
8. Rhode Island
9. St. Lawrence
10. Salem St.
11. Trinity-Tx
12. Ithaca
13. Farmingdale St.
14. Worcester Poly
15. Puget Sound

Candidates for final 3 spots:

(in no particular order)

* Randolph-Macon
* St. Lawrence
* Augustana
* Carnegie-Mellon
* Calvin
* Amherst
* Hamilton
* Brandeis


Bubble Burster games today (all times EST)

Middlebury vs Amherst, 12:00pm
Texas-Dallas vs Mississippi Coll, 2:30pm
Franklin & Marshall vs Gettysburg, 3:00pm
Centre vs Southwestern, 3:30pm

[pabegg]

Here's what I think happens in the final polls that is significant for Pool C:

NE: UNE replaces Bowdoin at #10
EA: RIT replaces Rochester at #5
AT: St. Joseph's (LI) comes in at #3, dropping Baruch
MA: Wesley comes in at #8, dropping Cabrini
SO: Averett comes in at #6 and Mississippi College at #7, dropping DePauw and Roanoke
GL: Hope replaces Ohio Wesleyan at #5
MW and WE have no change in their members

Basically, the same ordering holds true within each region on the Pool C competitors.

So the following come off of the board early, from East to West: WPI, RIC, Ithaca, St. Lawrence, Capital, Elmhurst, Puget Sound, Whitewater, and Platteville.

This leaves the last 9 from the following, with each region in order (no chance teams in parenthesis)

NE: Salem State, Brandeis, Amherst, Bowdoin
EA: Hamilton, (Utica)
AT: Farmingdale, (Montclair State)
MA: St. Mary's MD, (McDaniel)
SO: Trinity TX, Guilford, Randolph-Macon, (Miss College)
GL: Carnegie Mellon, Calvin
MW: (Augustana)
WE: Buena Vista, (Bethel)

I disagree with Pat on the order of Salem State and Brandeis, Trinity and Guilford within their regions.

I would take Salem State, Brandeis, Hamilton, Farmingdale, St. Mary's MD, Trinity, Guilford, Carnegie, and Buena Vista. This means that I disagree with Pat on Hamilton vs. Amherst.

Middlebury, Centre, Franklin and Marshall, and Texas-Dallas would make the field if they lose today, bumping four teams.

[Titan Q]

Patrick, despite what the numbers say, I just do not think the Liberty League is getting 2 Pool C bids (and 3 teams in).  I also do not think Hamilton will get selected over Augustana - I actually think the common opponent is going to be discussed (Augie 2-0 vs IWU, Hamilton 0-1 vs IWU).  I don't necessarily think Augustana is getting in (I think they are a real longshot), but I can't see Hamilton getting in over Augie.

[Titan Q]

D3hoops.com Pool C projections by region:

Northeast (5)
WPI, Rhode Island, Brandies, Salem St, Amherst

West (4)
Puget Sound, UW-Whitewater, UW-Platteville, Buena Vista

East (2)
Ithaca, St. Lawrence

Great Lakes (2)
Capital, Carnegie Mellon

South (2)
Guilford, Trinity (Tx)

Atlantic (1)
Farmingdale St.

Mid-Atlantic (1)
St. Mary's (Md)

Midwest (1)
Elmhurst