Pool C

[sac]

I don't know why I can't find this but when is the field of 60 announced, today or tommorrow?

Are they doing it like last year when they announce teams today, pairings tommorrow?

These are all things I just haven't thought about.

[Pat Coleman]

They didn't do teams first with men.

This year, everything is tomorrow.

[knightmoves]

Pat,

What time tomorrow will all the teams & pairings be announced for all to see?

[buf]

Pat,

What time tomorrow will all the teams & pairings be announced for all to see?

I believe women are at 11:00AM (eastern) and men at 11:30AM (eastern)

[magicman]

Our projections are up:
http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/09/projected.htm

In looking over your projections, shouldn't Bracket 2 have the 6th seed listed as Empire 8 winner or do you know for a fact that RIT is going to win over Nazareth

As you can see, we projected some winners. If Nazareth were to win they might not be seeded sixth. When the champion is irrelevant for seeding and selection, we don't bother to project a winner.

Good guess! RIT downs Nazareth 76-71.

[John Gleich]

These are all things I just haven't thought about.

That's a nice problem to find yourself in, isn't it?   

[Titan Q]

F&M down 3, 55-58, heading down the stretch in a Bubble Burster.  Live video link on the frontpage.

[Titan Q]

Gettysburg knocks off F&M...another Pool C gone.

[Titan Q]

I think 16 of the 18 Pool C's are basically accounted for:

(in no particular order)

1. UW-Whitewater
2. Buena Vista
3. St. Mary's (Md)
4. Guilford
5. UW-Platteville
6. Elmhurst
7. Capital
8. Rhode Island
9. St. Lawrence
10. Salem St.
11. Trinity-Tx
12. Ithaca
13. Farmingdale St.
14. Worcester Poly
15. Puget Sound
16. Franklin & Marshall

Candidates for final 2 spots:

(in no particular order)

* Randolph-Macon
* Hamilton
* Augustana
* Carnegie-Mellon
* Calvin
* Amherst
* Brandeis

[Titan Q]

It seems like these 7 are the first in:

Puget Sound
UW-Whitewater
UW-Platteville
Ithaca
Elmhurst
Capital
WPI


So then for the rest of the Pool C process, it stacks up something like this...

Atlantic – Farmingdale St.

East – St. Lawrence, Hamilton

Great Lakes – Carnegie Mellon, Calvin

Mid-Atlantic – St. Mary's (Md), Franklin & Marshall

Midwest – Augustana

Northeast – Rhode Island, Salem St, Brandeis, Amherst

South – Guilford, Trinity (Tx), Randolph-Macon

West – Buena Vista


If anyone wants to add updated in-region records and OWP/OOWP above, feel free to do so.

[Hugenerd]

Im failing to see a huge difference between CMU's resume and Capital's in the GL.  Capital has the advantage in winning percentage, but CMU has slight edge in OWP/OOWP, CMU is 2-0 against GL ranked teams (they have also beaten Rochester and Averett whou could be ranked in other regions), while Capital is 1-2 against GL ranked teams (assuming Ohio Wesleyan drops out with their loss this week, otherwise 2-2), CMU is also 1-0 against common opponents, while Capital is 1-2. Capital has obviously piled up a bunch more wins, but they havent necessarily beaten good teams.  Of CMUs's 5 losses, 2 are to WasU and 2 are to Brandeis, both with greater than 68% winning percentage).  CMU only has one bad region loss, to CWRU.  Of Capital's 4 losses, 2 are to strong opponents (JCU twice), while 2 are to weaker opponents.  Unless the committee goes solely on the higher number of wins (CMU has played 5 out of region games, going 4-1) and winning percentage, I think CMU has a pretty fair argument to be right up there with Capital.

[sac]

Im failing to see a huge difference between CMU's resume and Capital's in the GL.  Capital has the advantage in winning percentage, but CMU has slight edge in OWP/OOWP, CMU is 2-0 against GL ranked teams (they have also beaten Rochester and Averett whou could be ranked in other regions), while Capital is 1-2 against GL ranked teams (assuming Ohio Wesleyan drops out with their loss this week, otherwise 2-2), CMU is also 1-0 against common opponents, while Capital is 1-2. Capital has obviously piled up a bunch more wins, but they havent necessarily beaten good teams.  Of CMUs's 5 losses, 2 are to WasU and 2 are to Brandeis, both with greater than 68% winning percentage).  CMU only has one bad region loss, to CWRU.  Of Capital's 4 losses, 2 are to strong opponents (JCU twice), while 2 are to weaker opponents.  Unless the committee goes solely on the higher number of wins (CMU has played 5 out of region games, going 4-1) and winning percentage, I think CMU has a pretty fair argument to be right up there with Capital.

Are they using once ranked always ranked this year............if thats the case Capitals games with ONU and OWU would count towards record vs ranked teams.

[pabegg]

Im failing to see a huge difference between CMU's resume and Capital's in the GL.  Capital has the advantage in winning percentage, but CMU has slight edge in OWP/OOWP, CMU is 2-0 against GL ranked teams (they have also beaten Rochester and Averett whou could be ranked in other regions), while Capital is 1-2 against GL ranked teams (assuming Ohio Wesleyan drops out with their loss this week, otherwise 2-2), CMU is also 1-0 against common opponents, while Capital is 1-2. Capital has obviously piled up a bunch more wins, but they havent necessarily beaten good teams.  Of CMUs's 5 losses, 2 are to WasU and 2 are to Brandeis, both with greater than 68% winning percentage).  CMU only has one bad region loss, to CWRU.  Of Capital's 4 losses, 2 are to strong opponents (JCU twice), while 2 are to weaker opponents.  Unless the committee goes solely on the higher number of wins (CMU has played 5 out of region games, going 4-1) and winning percentage, I think CMU has a pretty fair argument to be right up there with Capital.

Are they using once ranked always ranked this year............if thats the case Capitals games with ONU and OWU would count towards record vs ranked teams.

No, only the final, hidden, ranking. See above posts for my guess as to how things changed from last week.

[Hugenerd]

Im failing to see a huge difference between CMU's resume and Capital's in the GL.  Capital has the advantage in winning percentage, but CMU has slight edge in OWP/OOWP, CMU is 2-0 against GL ranked teams (they have also beaten Rochester and Averett whou could be ranked in other regions), while Capital is 1-2 against GL ranked teams (assuming Ohio Wesleyan drops out with their loss this week, otherwise 2-2), CMU is also 1-0 against common opponents, while Capital is 1-2. Capital has obviously piled up a bunch more wins, but they havent necessarily beaten good teams.  Of CMUs's 5 losses, 2 are to WasU and 2 are to Brandeis, both with greater than 68% winning percentage).  CMU only has one bad region loss, to CWRU.  Of Capital's 4 losses, 2 are to strong opponents (JCU twice), while 2 are to weaker opponents.  Unless the committee goes solely on the higher number of wins (CMU has played 5 out of region games, going 4-1) and winning percentage, I think CMU has a pretty fair argument to be right up there with Capital.

Are they using once ranked always ranked this year............if thats the case Capitals games with ONU and OWU would count towards record vs ranked teams.

I was assuming that JCU would be the only remaining ranked team Capital has played.  CMU has beaten JCU and Wooster this year.

[Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan)]

Im failing to see a huge difference between CMU's resume and Capital's in the GL.  Capital has the advantage in winning percentage, but CMU has slight edge in OWP/OOWP, CMU is 2-0 against GL ranked teams (they have also beaten Rochester and Averett whou could be ranked in other regions), while Capital is 1-2 against GL ranked teams (assuming Ohio Wesleyan drops out with their loss this week, otherwise 2-2), CMU is also 1-0 against common opponents, while Capital is 1-2. Capital has obviously piled up a bunch more wins, but they havent necessarily beaten good teams.  Of CMUs's 5 losses, 2 are to WasU and 2 are to Brandeis, both with greater than 68% winning percentage).  CMU only has one bad region loss, to CWRU.  Of Capital's 4 losses, 2 are to strong opponents (JCU twice), while 2 are to weaker opponents.  Unless the committee goes solely on the higher number of wins (CMU has played 5 out of region games, going 4-1) and winning percentage, I think CMU has a pretty fair argument to be right up there with Capital.

In the past in-region winning percentage has counted for more than perhaps it should.