Pool C

[Ralph Turner]

Thank you so much!

When I get home, I will look at this more carefully to see how the variables interact.  +1! 


One in-region loss makes a difference of 3-8 places in pabegg's Pool C table.

There is very minimal impact from changing one outcome on another team's OWP/OOWP in the Pool C evaluation (McMurry having 2 more wins over in-region opponents in a closed system such as the ASC and its impact on North Central IL.)

There is a huge "bottleneck" of teams that are vying for the last Pool C bid.

Please look at McDaniel.

16-7  =  25th Pool C team
17-6  =  22nd Pool C team
18-5  =  14th Pool C team

[Greek Tragedy]

Ralph asked me to put together this analysis of how much impact one game has on the rankings.

Ralph then asked me to change a couple of losses to wins for McMurry, Augustana, and McDaniel. Here's what happens:

Ralph also asked what the impact of the two McMurry wins would be on North Central, who played McMurry this season.

Sounds like this "Ralph" guy is kind of needed.  I'd probably stay away from him if I were you! 

Thank you so much!

At least he said "Thanks you so much!" 

[Ralph Turner]

Ralph asked me to put together this analysis of how much impact one game has on the rankings.

Ralph then asked me to change a couple of losses to wins for McMurry, Augustana, and McDaniel. Here's what happens:

Ralph also asked what the impact of the two McMurry wins would be on North Central, who played McMurry this season.

Sounds like this "Ralph" guy is kind of needed.  I'd probably stay away from him if I were you! 

Thank you so much!

At least he said "Thanks you so much!" 

I saw this as a "Rosetta Stone" to unlock this season's Pool C questions.  It looks like in-region percentage is a big factor, and that it is difficult to take too many teams out of one region for only "18 Pool C bids".

[Ralph Turner]

First Round Tourney matchups

POOL A v POOL A
Wooster (A) vs. Gettysburg (A)
Medaille (A) at John Carroll (A)
Averett (A) at Centre (A)
Fontbonne (A) at Wheaton (Ill) (A)
Washington U. (A) vs. Lawrence (A)
Aurora (A) at St. Thomas (Minn) (A)
UW-Stevens Point (A) vs. Cornell (A)
Claremont-Mudd-Scripps (A) at Whitworth (A)
St. Joseph's (Maine) (A) at Bridgewater State (A)
RPI (A) at Richard Stockton (A)
Virginia Wesleyan (A) at Widener (A)
St. Joseph's LI (A) at DeSales (A)

POOL A v POOL B  Pool A 1, Pool B 0
Elms (B) vs. SUNYIT (A)

POOL A v POOL C   Pool A 3, Pool C 9
Thomas More (A) at Capital (C)
Brockport State (A) vs. Carnegie Mellon (C)
Transylvania (A) vs. Guilford (C)
UW-Platteville (C) vs. Hope (A)
MIT (A) at Rhode Island College (C)
U. of New England (A) vs. Farmingdale State (C)
Brooklyn (A) at St. Lawrence (C)
Amherst (C) vs. Gwynedd-Mercy (A)
Salem State (C) vs. Rochester Tech (A)
Wesley (A) at Franklin & Marshall (C)
Husson (A) at Worcester Polytech (C)
Mass-Dartmouth (A) vs. Baruch (C)

POOL C v POOL C  Pool C 1-1
UW-Whitewater (C) at Elmhurst (C)

POOL C v POOL B   Pool C 2, Pool B 0
Maryville (Tenn) (B) at Trinity (Texas) (C)
Brandeis (C) vs. Scranton (B)

TEAMS WITH 1st ROUND BYES
Puget Sound-(C)
Texas-Dallas-(A)
Ithaca-(C)
Middlebury-(A)

Pool C 9, Pool A 3
Pool C 2, Pool B 0


Pool C total 12-4 (first round)

[Ralph Turner]

SECOND ROUND

Pool A vs Pool A

St. Thomas (A) beat UW-Stevens Point (A)
Bridgewater St (A) beat Middlebury (A)
Richard Stockton (A) beat Gwynedd-Mercy (A)

Pool A vs Pool C -- Pool A 6, Pool C 6 wins

UT-Dallas (A) beat Trinity TX (C)
Capital (C) beat Wooster (A)
John Carroll (A) beat Carnegie-Mellon (C)
Guilford (C) beat Averett (A)
Wheaton IL (A) beat UW-Platteville (C)
Washington U MO (A) beat UW-Whitewater (C)
Puget Sound (C) beat Whitworth (A)
Farmingdale State (C) beat MIT (A)
Salem State (C) beat Widener (A)
Mass-Dartmouth (A) beat WPI (C)
DeSales (A) beat Ithaca (C)
St Lawrence (C) beat SUNYIT (A)

Pool C vs. Pool C -- Pool C 1-1

F&M (C) beat Brandeis (C)

THIRD ROUND

Pool A vs Pool A

WashU (A) beat Wheaton IL (A)
DeSales (A) beat Mass-Dartmouth (A)

Pool A vs Pool C --  Pool A 3 wins, Pool C 2 wins

UT-Dallas (A) beat Capital (C)
Guilford (C) beat John Carroll (A)
St Thomas (A) beat Puget Sound (C)
Farmingdale State (C) beat Bridgewater St (A)
Richard Stockton (A) beat St Lawrence (C)

Pool C vs. Pool C  (1-1)

F&M (C) beat Salem State (C)

FOURTH ROUND

Pool A 1, Pool C 2

Guilford (C) beat UT-Dallas (A)
F&M (C) beat DeSales (A)
Richard Stockton (A) beat Farmington State (C)

Washington U (A) beat St Thomas (A)


Round #2 -#4

Pool C 12 wins, 12 losses.

Total thru four rounds, Pool C 24 wins, 16 losses

FINAL FOUR

Washington U (A) beat Guilford (C)

Richard Stockton (A) beat F&M (C)

Guilford  (C) beats F&M  (C)

Pool C 1 win, 3 losses

Final Tally --  Pool C 25 wins, 19 losses

[pabegg]

Thank you so much!

You're welcome.

[Greek Tragedy]

It looks like in-region percentage is a big factor, and that it is difficult to take too many teams out of one region for only "18 Pool C bids".

The Northeast Region took 5 of 18 this year and 6 of 19 last year.  I would say that's a pretty big % from one region with 8 total regions.  I realize that region has 10 teams in its regional rankings while others don't, but I still think they are hogging all the Pool Cs! 

[Ralph Turner]

It looks like in-region percentage is a big factor, and that it is difficult to take too many teams out of one region for only "18 Pool C bids".

The Northeast Region took 5 of 18 this year and 6 of 19 last year.  I would say that's a pretty big % from one region with 8 total regions.  I realize that region has 10 teams in its regional rankings while others don't, but I still think they are hogging all the Pool Cs! 

Yes, I stand corrected.

And Ithaca, Farmington State, Baruch and St Lawrence.

9 of 18... from the Northeast, East and Atlantic (71 + 35 + 31 =) 137 (35%) teams of the 395 eligible schools.

[Mr. Ypsi]

It looks like in-region percentage is a big factor, and that it is difficult to take too many teams out of one region for only "18 Pool C bids".

The Northeast Region took 5 of 18 this year and 6 of 19 last year.  I would say that's a pretty big % from one region with 8 total regions.  I realize that region has 10 teams in its regional rankings while others don't, but I still think they are hogging all the Pool Cs! 

Yes, I stand corrected.

And Ithaca, Farmington State, Baruch and St Lawrence.

9 of 18... from the Northeast, East and Atlantic (71 + 35 + 31 =) 137 (35%) teams of the 395 eligible schools.

That IS what happens when you use regional criteria to pick a national tournament.  At the risk of sounding too much like a CCIW chauvinist, if you were forced to bet on Augustana, North Central, or Carthage vs. Farmington St., Baruch, or St. Lawrence, where would you lay your money?

[Ralph Turner]

It looks like in-region percentage is a big factor, and that it is difficult to take too many teams out of one region for only "18 Pool C bids".

The Northeast Region took 5 of 18 this year and 6 of 19 last year.  I would say that's a pretty big % from one region with 8 total regions.  I realize that region has 10 teams in its regional rankings while others don't, but I still think they are hogging all the Pool Cs! 

Yes, I stand corrected.

And Ithaca, Farmington State, Baruch and St Lawrence.

9 of 18... from the Northeast, East and Atlantic (71 + 35 + 31 =) 137 (35%) teams of the 395 eligible schools.

That IS what happens when you use regional criteria to pick a national tournament.  At the risk of sounding too much like a CCIW chauvinist, if you were forced to bet on Augustana, North Central, or Carthage vs. Farmington St., Baruch, or St. Lawrence, where would you lay your money?

This needs to be addressed by the Championships Committee.

(I am curious to see how Guilford does versus Wash U.  Titan Q made the comment in Sunday's Hoopsville about the relative strength of the Midwest, West and South Region.)

[Pat Coleman]

It's with sadness that I have to report the death of Patrick Abegg. We will miss him.
http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/04/26/rip-patrick-abegg/

[Ralph Turner]

Thank you so much!

You're welcome.

EDIT:  April 26, 2009

I seldom use that "smiley", because there is usually so little that I have to cry about.

I don't necessarily cry for pabegg, but the sadness is present.

This was my last exchange with pabegg, and his response was his penultimate post.

(Penultimate... That sounds like a good word in the vocabulary of a WashUStL grad.     )

He contributed so much to our enjoyment of these boards.   

[Pat Coleman]

Patrick Abegg was on my very, very short list for the message board Hall of Fame. I'm skipping the normal peer voting process and promoting him now. Sorry we didn't get to do this while he was alive.

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