Pool C

KnightSlappy · December 24, 2009, 10:04:36 AM

Is it too early to begin the Pool C discussion? No? Ok, then here's some regional rankings through games of 12/23/2009.

REG   #   WP    OWP     OOWP    RPI    NAT   Pool      REG   OVR   CONF     Team

NE   01   0.857   0.622   0.509   0.6523   020   A   C     6-1   7-1   NAC    Thomas
NE   02   0.714   0.682   0.517   0.6488   023   B   001   5-2   6-2   NECC     Elms
NE   03   0.875   0.593   0.514   0.6440   025   A   C     7-1   7-1   LEC    Eastern Connecticut
NE   04   0.750   0.585   0.556   0.6190   036   C   016   6-2   6-2   LEC    Mass-Dartmouth
NE   05   1.000   0.478   0.516   0.6181   037   A   C     5-0   7-0   NESCAC   Middlebury
NE   06   0.600   0.655   0.560   0.6175   038   C   017   3-2   5-2   NESCAC   Bates
NE   07   0.857   0.500   0.598   0.6138   043   C   021   6-1   7-1   UAA    Brandeis
NE   08   0.400   0.767   0.518   0.6128   045   C   022   2-3   4-3   NAC    Husson
NE   09   0.750   0.569   0.540   0.6067   050   C   026   6-2   6-2   NESCAC   Bowdoin
NE   10   0.875   0.500   0.532   0.6017   058   C   031   7-1   8-1   LEC    Western Connecticut
NE   11   0.889   0.435   0.607   0.5918   070   A       8-1   9-1   NEWMAC   Worcester Polytech
NE   12   0.875   0.439   0.612   0.5912   071   C   041   7-1   7-1   NESCAC   Colby
NE   13   0.500   0.696   0.453   0.5861   074   C   044   4-4   4-4   NESCAC   Wesleyan
NE   14   1.000   0.385   0.564   0.5834   078   C   047   9-0   11-0 NEWMAC   MIT

E   001   0.875   0.696   0.494   0.6906   007   A   C     7-1   8-1   SUNYAC   Oneonta State
E   002   0.875   0.660   0.547   0.6852   008   C   002   7-1   7-1   SUNYAC   Plattsburgh State
E   003   0.800   0.667   0.504   0.6594   017   C   006   4-1   7-1   UAA    Rochester
E   004   0.833   0.583   0.540   0.6351   030   A   C     5-1   6-2   E8     Ithaca
E   005   0.833   0.563   0.568   0.6317   032   C   012   5-1   6-2   SUNYAC   Cortland State
E   006   0.833   0.531   0.566   0.6155   042   C   020   5-1   6-1   E8     Stevens
E   007   1.000   0.444   0.549   0.6094   049   C   025   8-0   10-0 AMCC     Medaille
E   008   0.833   0.526   0.500   0.5965   066   A       5-1   7-1   LL     Skidmore

A   001   0.857   0.623   0.521   0.6558   019   A   C     6-1   7-3   NJAC     Montclair State
A   002   0.625   0.712   0.509   0.6393   027   C   009   5-3   6-3   NJAC     Richard Stockton
A   003   0.714   0.636   0.477   0.6159   040   A   C     5-2   5-2   LAND     Merchant Marine
A   004   0.833   0.548   0.526   0.6136   044   A   C-2   5-1   6-1   CUNYAC   Baruch
A   005   0.833   0.514   0.561   0.6055   052   A   C-2   5-1   7-1   SKY    St. Josephs (L.I.)
A   006   0.778   0.533   0.555   0.5999   060   C   033   7-2   8-2   NJAC     Rowan
A   007   0.889   0.452   0.578   0.5926   068   C   039   8-1   8-2   NJAC     Ramapo
A   008   0.444   0.726   0.454   0.5876   072   C   042   4-5   5-5   CUNYAC   York (N.Y.)

MA   01   0.857   0.720   0.515   0.7030   006   A   C     6-1   6-3   MACF     Alvernia
MA   02   0.667   0.744   0.527   0.6703   011   A   C     4-2   5-4   MACC     Messiah
MA   03   0.875   0.617   0.545   0.6634   015   A   C     7-1   9-1   CAC    York (Pa.)
MA   04   0.875   0.543   0.647   0.6523   021   C   008   7-1   8-1   MACC     Albright
MA   05   0.727   0.625   0.551   0.6321   031   C   011   8-3   8-3   MACC     Elizabethtown
MA   06   0.778   0.589   0.512   0.6170   039   C   018   7-2   8-2   CAC    St. Marys (Md.)
MA   07   0.625   0.642   0.542   0.6124   046   C   023   5-3   6-4   LAND     Susquehanna
MA   08   0.750   0.564   0.546   0.6057   051   A   C-2   6-2   6-2   CC     Franklin and Marshall

S   001   1.000   0.586   0.491   0.6658   013   A   C     5-0   8-0   ODAC     Randolph-Macon
S   002   1.000   0.545   0.561   0.6630   016   C   005   5-0   8-1   ODAC     Eastern Mennonite
S   003   1.000   0.541   0.523   0.6511   022   N/A       6-0   8-0   SCAC     Birmingham-Southern
S   004   0.714   0.732   0.411   0.6472   024   A   C     5-2   7-2   ASC    McMurry
S   005   0.889   0.475   0.576   0.6035   054   C   027   8-1   8-1   ODAC     Guilford
S   006   0.714   0.643   0.402   0.6004   059   C   032   5-2   5-2   ASC    Mary Hardin-Baylor
S   007   0.875   0.471   0.578   0.5986   063   C   035   7-1   9-1   ODAC     Virginia Wesleyan
S   008   0.750   0.500   0.599   0.5872   073   C   043   6-2   7-2   ASC    Texas-Dallas
S   009   0.667   0.564   0.536   0.5824   080   C   049   6-3   6-3   UAA    Emory
S   010   0.750   0.509   0.553   0.5804   082   B   003   6-2   8-2   GSAC     Maryville (Tenn.)
S   011   0.600   0.577   0.516   0.5675   105   C   068   3-2   4-3   ODAC     Roanoke

GL   01   1.000   0.833   0.591   0.8144   001   A   C     2-0   5-4   MIAA     Hope
GL   02   1.000   0.567   0.568   0.6757   010   A   C     9-0   10-1 OAC Wilmington
GL   03   0.000   1.000   0.625   0.6563   018   C   007   0-1   3-5   MIAA     Calvin
GL   04   0.778   0.594   0.543   0.6270   033   C   013   7-2   7-2   OAC    John Carroll
GL   05   0.714   0.634   0.514   0.6240   035   C   015   5-2   6-2   UAA    Case Western Reserve
GL   06   0.714   0.613   0.502   0.6105   047   A   C-2   5-2   5-2   AMCC     Penn State-Behrend
GL   07   0.571   0.680   0.480   0.6029   055   C   028   4-3   4-3   UAA    Carnegie Mellon
GL   08   0.556   0.672   0.492   0.5978   064   C   036   5-4   5-5   OAC    Mount Union
GL   09   0.750   0.547   0.545   0.5973   065   C   037   6-2   6-2   AMCC     Frostburg State

MW   01   1.000   0.667   0.557   0.7227   003   A   C     5-0   8-0   UAA    Washington U.
MW   02   0.800   0.684   0.552   0.6802   009   A   C     4-1   7-2   CCIW     Carthage
MW   03   0.714   0.629   0.574   0.6363   029   C   010   5-2   6-2   CCIW     Wheaton (Ill.)
MW   04   0.778   0.574   0.577   0.6256   034   C   014   7-2   7-3   CCIW     Augustana
MW   05   0.750   0.571   0.570   0.6156   041   C   019   6-2   7-2   CCIW     Illinois Wesleyan
MW   06   0.571   0.640   0.568   0.6047   053   A   C-2   4-3   4-3   MWC    Carroll
MW   07   1.000   0.409   0.590   0.6021   056   C   029   6-0   7-0   MWC    St. Norbert
MW   08   0.714   0.558   0.567   0.5995   061   C   034   5-2   6-2   MWC    Illinois College
MW   09   0.889   0.492   0.523   0.5987   062   A       8-1   9-1   HCAC     Anderson
MW   10   0.375   0.717   0.532   0.5851   076   A       3-5   3-6   NATHC    Wisconsin Lutheran
MW   11   0.667   0.561   0.550   0.5846   077   C   046   4-2   6-2   UAA    Chicago

W   001   1.000   0.658   0.584   0.7249   002   A   C     11-0 11-0 WIAC     UW-Whitewater
W   002   0.889   0.694   0.605   0.7203   004   C   001   8-1   8-2   WIAC     UW-La Crosse
W   003   1.000   0.654   0.527   0.7086   005   A   C     4-0   7-0   MIAC     St. Thomas
W   004   0.900   0.587   0.593   0.6669   012   C   003   9-1   9-1   WIAC     UW-Stevens Point
W   005   0.857   0.617   0.567   0.6647   014   C   004   6-1   6-1   MIAC     Gustavus Adolphus
W   006   0.909   0.538   0.577   0.6407   026   B   002   10-1 10-1 IND    Chapman
W   007   1.000   0.509   0.535   0.6385   028   A   C     8-0   9-1   IIAC     Cornell
W   008   0.714   0.587   0.553   0.6104   048   C   024   5-2   7-3   WIAC     UW-Platteville
W   009   0.667   0.622   0.457   0.5920   069   C   040   4-2   5-3   MIAC     St. Johns
W   010   0.667   0.575   0.504   0.5802   083   C   051   4-2   4-2   MIAC     Augsburg
W   011   0.667   0.579   0.494   0.5798   085   C   052   4-2   5-4   IIAC     Buena Vista
W   012   0.200   0.800   0.517   0.5793   088   C   054   1-4   4-6   WIAC     UW-Stout

      Pool:   A   Top ranked team in Pool A eligible conference
         B   Pool B eligible team
         C   At large candidate
         N/A   Not eligible for postseason participation

      B or C #      Rank in Pool (C or B)

      A Status:   C   Pool A candidate, would rank within top 19 of Pool C
         C-2   2nd tier Pool A candidate, would rank 20-29 of Pool C
         Blank   Ranks outside of the top 29 of Pool C

"Last Four In"
Mass-Dartmouth -- LEC
Bates -- NESCAC
St. Marys (Md.) -- CAC
Illinois Wesleyan -- CCIW

"First Four Out"
Stevens -- E8
Brandeis -- UAA
Husson -- NAC
Susquehanna -- LAND

Ralph Turner · December 24, 2009, 12:25:12 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 24, 2009, 10:04:36 AM
Is it too early to begin the Pool C discussion? No? Ok, then here's some regional rankings through games of 12/23/2009.

REG   #   WP    OWP     OOWP    RPI    NAT   Pool      REG   OVR   CONF     Team

NE   01   0.857   0.622   0.509   0.6523   020   A   C     6-1   7-1   NAC    Thomas
NE   02   0.714   0.682   0.517   0.6488   023   B   001   5-2   6-2   NECC     Elms
NE   03   0.875   0.593   0.514   0.6440   025   A   C     7-1   7-1   LEC    Eastern Connecticut
NE   04   0.750   0.585   0.556   0.6190   036   C   016   6-2   6-2   LEC    Mass-Dartmouth
NE   05   1.000   0.478   0.516   0.6181   037   A   C     5-0   7-0   NESCAC   Middlebury
NE   06   0.600   0.655   0.560   0.6175   038   C   017   3-2   5-2   NESCAC   Bates
NE   07   0.857   0.500   0.598   0.6138   043   C   021   6-1   7-1   UAA    Brandeis
NE   08   0.400   0.767   0.518   0.6128   045   C   022   2-3   4-3   NAC    Husson
NE   09   0.750   0.569   0.540   0.6067   050   C   026   6-2   6-2   NESCAC   Bowdoin
NE   10   0.875   0.500   0.532   0.6017   058   C   031   7-1   8-1   LEC    Western Connecticut
NE   11   0.889   0.435   0.607   0.5918   070   A       8-1   9-1   NEWMAC   Worcester Polytech
NE   12   0.875   0.439   0.612   0.5912   071   C   041   7-1   7-1   NESCAC   Colby
NE   13   0.500   0.696   0.453   0.5861   074   C   044   4-4   4-4   NESCAC   Wesleyan
NE   14   1.000   0.385   0.564   0.5834   078   C   047   9-0   11-0 NEWMAC   MIT

E   001   0.875   0.696   0.494   0.6906   007   A   C     7-1   8-1   SUNYAC   Oneonta State
E   002   0.875   0.660   0.547   0.6852   008   C   002   7-1   7-1   SUNYAC   Plattsburgh State
E   003   0.800   0.667   0.504   0.6594   017   C   006   4-1   7-1   UAA    Rochester
E   004   0.833   0.583   0.540   0.6351   030   A   C     5-1   6-2   E8     Ithaca
E   005   0.833   0.563   0.568   0.6317   032   C   012   5-1   6-2   SUNYAC   Cortland State
E   006   0.833   0.531   0.566   0.6155   042   C   020   5-1   6-1   E8     Stevens
E   007   1.000   0.444   0.549   0.6094   049   C   025   8-0   10-0 AMCC     Medaille
E   008   0.833   0.526   0.500   0.5965   066   A       5-1   7-1   LL     Skidmore

A   001   0.857   0.623   0.521   0.6558   019   A   C     6-1   7-3   NJAC     Montclair State
A   002   0.625   0.712   0.509   0.6393   027   C   009   5-3   6-3   NJAC     Richard Stockton
A   003   0.714   0.636   0.477   0.6159   040   A   C     5-2   5-2   LAND     Merchant Marine
A   004   0.833   0.548   0.526   0.6136   044   A   C-2   5-1   6-1   CUNYAC   Baruch
A   005   0.833   0.514   0.561   0.6055   052   A   C-2   5-1   7-1   SKY    St. Josephs (L.I.)
A   006   0.778   0.533   0.555   0.5999   060   C   033   7-2   8-2   NJAC     Rowan
A   007   0.889   0.452   0.578   0.5926   068   C   039   8-1   8-2   NJAC     Ramapo
A   008   0.444   0.726   0.454   0.5876   072   C   042   4-5   5-5   CUNYAC   York (N.Y.)

MA   01   0.857   0.720   0.515   0.7030   006   A   C     6-1   6-3   MACF     Alvernia
MA   02   0.667   0.744   0.527   0.6703   011   A   C     4-2   5-4   MACC     Messiah
MA   03   0.875   0.617   0.545   0.6634   015   A   C     7-1   9-1   CAC    York (Pa.)
MA   04   0.875   0.543   0.647   0.6523   021   C   008   7-1   8-1   MACC     Albright
MA   05   0.727   0.625   0.551   0.6321   031   C   011   8-3   8-3   MACC     Elizabethtown
MA   06   0.778   0.589   0.512   0.6170   039   C   018   7-2   8-2   CAC    St. Marys (Md.)
MA   07   0.625   0.642   0.542   0.6124   046   C   023   5-3   6-4   LAND     Susquehanna
MA   08   0.750   0.564   0.546   0.6057   051   A   C-2   6-2   6-2   CC     Franklin and Marshall

S   001   1.000   0.586   0.491   0.6658   013   A   C     5-0   8-0   ODAC     Randolph-Macon
S   002   1.000   0.545   0.561   0.6630   016   C   005   5-0   8-1   ODAC     Eastern Mennonite
S   003   1.000   0.541   0.523   0.6511   022   N/A       6-0   8-0   SCAC     Birmingham-Southern*
S   004   0.714   0.732   0.411   0.6472   024   A   C     5-2   7-2   ASC    McMurry
S   005   0.889   0.475   0.576   0.6035   054   C   027   8-1   8-1   ODAC     Guilford
S   006   0.714   0.643   0.402   0.6004   059   C   032   5-2   5-2   ASC    Mary Hardin-Baylor
S   007   0.875   0.471   0.578   0.5986   063   C   035   7-1   9-1   ODAC     Virginia Wesleyan
S   008   0.750   0.500   0.599   0.5872   073   C   043   6-2   7-2   ASC    Texas-Dallas
S   009   0.667   0.564   0.536   0.5824   080   C   049   6-3   6-3   UAA    Emory
S   010   0.750   0.509   0.553   0.5804   082   B   003   6-2   8-2   GSAC     Maryville (Tenn.)
S   011   0.600   0.577   0.516   0.5675   105   C   068   3-2   4-3   ODAC     Roanoke

GL   01   1.000   0.833   0.591   0.8144   001   A   C     2-0   5-4   MIAA     Hope
GL   02   1.000   0.567   0.568   0.6757   010   A   C     9-0   10-1 OAC Wilmington
GL   03   0.000   1.000   0.625   0.6563   018   C   007   0-1   3-5   MIAA     Calvin
GL   04   0.778   0.594   0.543   0.6270   033   C   013   7-2   7-2   OAC    John Carroll
GL   05   0.714   0.634   0.514   0.6240   035   C   015   5-2   6-2   UAA    Case Western Reserve
GL   06   0.714   0.613   0.502   0.6105   047   A   C-2   5-2   5-2   AMCC     Penn State-Behrend
GL   07   0.571   0.680   0.480   0.6029   055   C   028   4-3   4-3   UAA    Carnegie Mellon
GL   08   0.556   0.672   0.492   0.5978   064   C   036   5-4   5-5   OAC    Mount Union
GL   09   0.750   0.547   0.545   0.5973   065   C   037   6-2   6-2   AMCC     Frostburg State

MW   01   1.000   0.667   0.557   0.7227   003   A   C     5-0   8-0   UAA    Washington U.
MW   02   0.800   0.684   0.552   0.6802   009   A   C     4-1   7-2   CCIW     Carthage
MW   03   0.714   0.629   0.574   0.6363   029   C   010   5-2   6-2   CCIW     Wheaton (Ill.)
MW   04   0.778   0.574   0.577   0.6256   034   C   014   7-2   7-3   CCIW     Augustana
MW   05   0.750   0.571   0.570   0.6156   041   C   019   6-2   7-2   CCIW     Illinois Wesleyan
MW   06   0.571   0.640   0.568   0.6047   053   A   C-2   4-3   4-3   MWC    Carroll
MW   07   1.000   0.409   0.590   0.6021   056   C   029   6-0   7-0   MWC    St. Norbert
MW   08   0.714   0.558   0.567   0.5995   061   C   034   5-2   6-2   MWC    Illinois College
MW   09   0.889   0.492   0.523   0.5987   062   A       8-1   9-1   HCAC     Anderson
MW   10   0.375   0.717   0.532   0.5851   076   A       3-5   3-6   NATHC    Wisconsin Lutheran
MW   11   0.667   0.561   0.550   0.5846   077   C   046   4-2   6-2   UAA    Chicago

W   001   1.000   0.658   0.584   0.7249   002   A   C     11-0 11-0 WIAC     UW-Whitewater
W   002   0.889   0.694   0.605   0.7203   004   C   001   8-1   8-2   WIAC     UW-La Crosse
W   003   1.000   0.654   0.527   0.7086   005   A   C     4-0   7-0   MIAC     St. Thomas
W   004   0.900   0.587   0.593   0.6669   012   C   003   9-1   9-1   WIAC     UW-Stevens Point
W   005   0.857   0.617   0.567   0.6647   014   C   004   6-1   6-1   MIAC     Gustavus Adolphus
W   006   0.909   0.538   0.577   0.6407   026   B   002   10-1 10-1 IND    Chapman
W   007   1.000   0.509   0.535   0.6385   028   A   C     8-0   9-1   IIAC     Cornell
W   008   0.714   0.587   0.553   0.6104   048   C   024   5-2   7-3   WIAC     UW-Platteville
W   009   0.667   0.622   0.457   0.5920   069   C   040   4-2   5-3   MIAC     St. Johns
W   010   0.667   0.575   0.504   0.5802   083   C   051   4-2   4-2   MIAC     Augsburg
W   011   0.667   0.579   0.494   0.5798   085   C   052   4-2   5-4   IIAC     Buena Vista
W   012   0.200   0.800   0.517   0.5793   088   C   054   1-4   4-6   WIAC     UW-Stout

      Pool:   A   Top ranked team in Pool A eligible conference
         B   Pool B eligible team
         C   At large candidate
         N/A   Not eligible for postseason participation

      B or C #      Rank in Pool (C or B)

      A Status:   C   Pool A candidate, would rank within top 19 of Pool C
         C-2   2nd tier Pool A candidate, would rank 20-29 of Pool C
         Blank   Ranks outside of the top 29 of Pool C

"Last Four In"
Mass-Dartmouth -- LEC
Bates -- NESCAC
St. Marys (Md.) -- CAC
Illinois Wesleyan -- CCIW

"First Four Out"
Stevens -- E8
Brandeis -- UAA
Husson -- NAC
Susquehanna -- LAND

NO! Not too early...

Let's observe a cybermoment of silence to remember our posting pal, Patrick Abegg, whose diligence and dedication made these message boards a wonderful place to enjoy our favorite spectator sports.

....................................................................... Good luck to Patrick's WUStL Bears!

And, on with the season!

Ralph Turner · December 24, 2009, 12:33:08 PM

Please remember that Birmingham Southern is 3rd year provisional and is ineligible for the playoffs.

Results against them do count when calculating OWP/OOWP.

Knightslappy has designated this with the N/A.

iwumichigander · December 24, 2009, 12:45:48 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 24, 2009, 12:25:12 PM
NO! Not too early...

And, on with the season!

I agree with Ralph. It would be very interesting to watch the change in the "pool". I think it could also help everyone including the novices get a better understanding how this thing works.

Hugenerd · December 24, 2009, 02:51:36 PM

When calculating these numbers, do only region games count for OWP and OOWP numbers?

Also, I looked up a couple schools and did not get identical numbers. I am failing to see Hope's second region win. They beat Calvin, but who else? Their only other d3 win is Wheaton, but they lost to Carthage so I dont see how you would count one win for their WP and discount the other. Also, Calvin has no other region games besides the Hope game, so their WP in the Great Lakes is 0 (so Hopes OWP should be 0, not close to 1, unless you count their games against Midwest teams).

It does not seem very intuitive to me to use region winning percentage for WP, but then use all d3 results for OWP and OOWP. Is this in fact the case or are these calculations just off completely?

I am may be missing something, but if you are only supposed to use region games for WP, OWP, and OOWP, I am getting numbers that are much different.

KnightSlappy · December 24, 2009, 03:02:15 PM

Quote from: hugenerd on December 24, 2009, 02:51:36 PM
When calculating these numbers, do only region games count for OWP and OOWP numbers?

Also, I looked up a couple schools and did not get identical numbers. I am failing to see Hope's second region win. They beat Calvin, but who else? Their only other d3 win is Wheaton, but they lost to Carthage so I dont see how you would count one win for their WP and discount the other. Also, Calvin has no other region games besides the Hope game, so their WP in the Great Lakes is 0 (so Hopes OWP should be 0, not close to 1, unless you count their games against Midwest teams).

It does not seem very intuitive to me to use region winning percentage for WP, but then use all d3 results for OWP and OOWP. Is this in fact the case or are these calculations just off completely?

I am may be missing something, but if you are only supposed to use region games for WP, OWP, and OOWP, I am getting numbers that are much different.

All numbers (except the OVR record) are for in-region games only.

Hope has beaten Calvin and Wheaton in-region. Carthage is out-of-region for Hope. Wheaton is inside of 200 miles from Hope, but Carthage is outside of the 200 mile radius.

When calculating OWP remember that you don't coun't the opponents record against yourself i.e. Calvin is 0-0 (not 0-1) in the eyes of the Hope OWP calculation, and likewise Hope is 1-0 (not 2-0) in Calvin's OWP calculation.

OOWP, on the other hand, counts all games.

Maybe the best way to explain this is that OWP measures my direct strength of schedule and OOWP measures my opponents direct strength of schedule. I don't affect my own strength of schedule (my schedule wasn't harder just because I lost all my games), but I do affect my opponents strength of schedule.

I hope that helps. If you're still getting different numbers let me know and I'll check for errors.

Hugenerd · December 24, 2009, 03:05:55 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 24, 2009, 03:02:15 PM
Quote from: hugenerd on December 24, 2009, 02:51:36 PM
When calculating these numbers, do only region games count for OWP and OOWP numbers?

Also, I looked up a couple schools and did not get identical numbers. I am failing to see Hope's second region win. They beat Calvin, but who else? Their only other d3 win is Wheaton, but they lost to Carthage so I dont see how you would count one win for their WP and discount the other. Also, Calvin has no other region games besides the Hope game, so their WP in the Great Lakes is 0 (so Hopes OWP should be 0, not close to 1, unless you count their games against Midwest teams).

It does not seem very intuitive to me to use region winning percentage for WP, but then use all d3 results for OWP and OOWP. Is this in fact the case or are these calculations just off completely?

I am may be missing something, but if you are only supposed to use region games for WP, OWP, and OOWP, I am getting numbers that are much different.

All numbers (except the OVR record) are for in-region games only.

Hope has beaten Calvin and Wheaton in-region. Carthage is out-of-region for Hope. Wheaton is inside of 200 miles from Hope, but Carthage is outside of the 200 mile radius.

When calculating OWP remember that you don't coun't the opponents record against yourself i.e. Calvin is 0-0 (not 0-1) in the eyes of the Hope OWP calculation and likewise Hope is 1-0 (not 2-0) in Calvin's OWP calculation.

OOWP, on the other hand, counts all games.

I hope that helps. If you're still getting different numbers let me know and I'll check for errors.

Sorry for the confusion, I forgot about the 200 mile rule. That fixes the major errors, the other erorrs I was getting were minor. They could be one game I have wrong or one game you have wrong, but not a big deal either way.

Thanks for running the numbers, I understand the mistake now.

magicman · December 24, 2009, 03:14:20 PM

Thanks to KnightSlappy for doing the Pool C statistics. Plus K. One question though, both Oneonta St. and Plattsburgh St. are 7-1 in region, however that 1 loss by Oneonta was to Plattsburgh on Oneonta's home court. Plattsburgh's 1 loss was on the road at Elms. Shouldn't that give Plattsburgh the edge over Oneonta as Plattsburgh won the head to head meeting? Perhaps that doesn't matter. Just asking.

Plattsburgh would also have the Pool A bid because of their win over Oneonta.

KnightSlappy · December 24, 2009, 03:24:04 PM

Quote from: magicman on December 24, 2009, 03:14:20 PM
Thanks to KnightSlappy for doing the Pool C statistics. Plus K. One question though, both Oneonta St. and Plattsburgh St. are 7-1 in region, however that 1 loss by Oneonta was to Plattsburgh on Oneonta's home court. Plattsburgh's 1 loss was on the road at Elms. Shouldn't that give Plattsburgh the edge over Oneonta as Plattsburgh won the head to head meeting? Perhaps that doesn't matter. Just asking.

Plattsburgh would also have the Pool A bid because of their win over Oneonta.

In the eyes of the committee? They'll probably be ranked ahead of Oneonta. These are pretty much strictly RPI based rankings, and Oneonta has the edge in that department for now.

As for pool A bids, for now I give them to the top RPI in the conference. Since they're (mostly) given out to conference tournament winners I figure the top RPI team has as good a shot as anyone at winning that bid.

Strict RPI isn't always the best way to rank a region this early in the year (see Calvin's W-L record for proof), but it's still pretty good. I'm sure it'll get better as the season progresses and teams play more and more regional games.

Hugenerd · December 24, 2009, 03:32:33 PM

Also, this early in the season, when you have some teams with only 2-5 in-region games, you can get some absurdly high or low numbers. The numbers will have more meaning come February when the NCAA starts releasing rankings.

magicman · December 24, 2009, 03:39:55 PM

Quote from: KnightSlappy on December 24, 2009, 03:24:04 PM
Quote from: magicman on December 24, 2009, 03:14:20 PM
Thanks to KnightSlappy for doing the Pool C statistics. Plus K. One question though, both Oneonta St. and Plattsburgh St. are 7-1 in region, however that 1 loss by Oneonta was to Plattsburgh on Oneonta's home court. Plattsburgh's 1 loss was on the road at Elms. Shouldn't that give Plattsburgh the edge over Oneonta as Plattsburgh won the head to head meeting? Perhaps that doesn't matter. Just asking.

Plattsburgh would also have the Pool A bid because of their win over Oneonta.

In the eyes of the committee? They'll probably be ranked ahead of Oneonta. These are pretty much strictly RPI based rankings, and Oneonta has the edge in that department for now.

As for pool A bids, for now I give them to the top RPI in the conference. Since they're (mostly) given out to conference tournament winners I figure the top RPI team has as good a shot as anyone at winning that bid.

Strict RPI isn't always the best way to rank a region this early in the year (see Calvin's W-L record for proof), but it's still pretty good. I'm sure it'll get better as the season progresses and teams play more and more regional games.

Thanks KS. I can accept that. We all know that what we see now isn't what we'll have by the time tournament selection day rolls around. I'm just happy to see 3 SUNYAC schools in the top 5 in the East. Now that's something I hope doesn't change. But I'm sure after they beat up on each other it will.

Hugenerd · December 24, 2009, 05:28:57 PM

Knight,

So the MIT win over RPI should count as in-region, based on the 200 mile rule (It does not appear to be counted as in-region in your rankings because MITs region record only shows 9-0). I just mapquested it and it is 172 miles from the address on the RPI website to 77 Mass. Ave. in Cambridge. This should also increase their OWP somewhat, as RPI's only loss is to MIT.

Ralph Turner · December 24, 2009, 05:52:45 PM

https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

Officially, MIT to RPI is 173.0 Miles.

Great pick-up!

+1 to both of you!

KnightSlappy · December 24, 2009, 05:54:02 PM

Quote from: hugenerd on December 24, 2009, 05:28:57 PM
Knight,

So the MIT win over RPI should count as in-region, based on the 200 mile rule (It does not appear to be counted as in-region in your rankings because MITs region record only shows 9-0). I just mapquested it and it is 172 miles from the address on the RPI website to 77 Mass. Ave. in Cambridge. This should also increase their OWP somewhat, as RPI's only loss is to MIT.

You're right it should be counted, and I'll make sure it gets updated on my sheet.

I'm currently going off of the d3hoops.com team schedules, so if they don't have the "•" next to the game, then I don't count it unless I catch it.

KnightSlappy · December 24, 2009, 05:55:52 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 24, 2009, 05:52:45 PM
https://web1.ncaa.org/TES/exec/miles

Officially, MIT to RPI is 173.0 Miles.

Great pick-up!

+1 to both of you!

Ralph, I just spent the last 15-20 minutes re-searching for that link to verify, and after I find it, you go and post it two minutes before I post! You could have saved me a lot of trouble if you posted a few minutes ago!